The Kay Griggs Interviews, 1988, Part 1/8 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped) This series of interviews is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure that's public into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about this interview although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary Introduction of Catherine Pollard Griggs (00:01-00:31) Catherine Pollard Griggs confirms her name, marriage to Colonel George Griggs, and his roles in NATO and intelligence. Husband's Alcoholism and Intelligence Background (01:02-01:27) Catherine discusses Colonel Griggs' alcoholism and how during his drunken episodes, he shared sensitive intelligence, including prior knowledge of the Beirut bombing. Allegations of Sexual Deviancy Within Military (01:56-02:26) She makes shocking claims about the U.S. military's leadership being comprised of sexual deviants, often controlling individuals for intelligence roles and suggesting a mind control operation. Personal Background and Rapid Marriage (03:33-05:55) Catherine recounts her personal background, her rapid decision to marry Colonel Griggs, and highlights his past relationships and alcohol consumption. Insider Accounts of Military Culture (23:31-29:12) She speaks about the deterioration of moral values in the military, suggesting that the Marine Corps prioritizes a brotherhood mentality over national allegiance. Discussion on Drug Trafficking and Military Involvement (42:05-48:28) Catherine comments on the military's connections to drug lords and how drugs are smuggled into the U.S., emphasizing military officers’ complicity in these operations. Retention of Power and Control (55:17-57:40) She concludes that those rising in ranks within the military must be involved in a corrupt system, implying that initiation ceremonies solidify loyalty to these sordid practices. Transcript: (00:01) Your name is Catherine Pollard Griggs. Yes. You are the wife of Colonel George Griggs. Yes. 11 years of marriage. Yes. It's true that your husband has been the head of Special Operations under Admiral Kelso, NATO. Yes. And it's true that you were the head of the Hospitality Committee. Yes. You were a member of the Executive Board of NATO's Wives Club. Absolutely. And also that your husband's background includes NATO Defense College in Rome. (00:31) Yes. Princeton Class of 1959. Yes. His intelligence career, spy career began in Vietnam. Yes. And it's also true that it continues on to this day. Absolutely, under General Wilhelm. And that your husband was the liaison between the White House and President Jamal of Beirut, Lebanon at the time of the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon. Yes. And in fact, your husband was an alcoholic. Absolutely. And probably is to this day. (01:02) Incredible. Absolutely. And during these drunken stupors, he would, so to speak, blab on and tell you everything he knew about the intelligence community. Everything. Nothing was hid. No. It was like he wanted to relieve himself and unburden his heart. Yes. And so he told you everything that you now know about the intelligence community. Yes. And that you are talking about. And in fact, he told you that they knew the bombing was coming down in Beirut before it occurred. (01:27) Absolutely. And also, by your association with him, you have come to understand and know, as shocking as this may sound to the people who are viewing this, that the United States military is literally run by sexual deviants heavy on the homosexual side. Truly. And that in the United States military, people like Jeffrey Dahmer and Kaczynski and McVeigh and Oswald and a host of other people who have a sexual deviant background, (01:56) primarily homosexual, these individuals are actually sought out by people within the military. The Army. The Army for advancement into intelligence type work because they are so easy to control. Yes. And they actually become mind slaves. Yes. And that the U.S. military, literally, as outrageous as it sounds, is a mind control operation. Yes. Totally now. Totally now. They've gotten rid of the good folks like MacArthur. (02:26) Got rid of them one by one. Good. Totally take over. All right. Let's talk about the individual who told you that we've never actually been an enemy of the Soviet Union. Somehow that's all just been a scam. Who was that individual? Well, my husband. The first three years we were married, he was drinking three or four straight gins, vodkas a night, a bottle of wine, and a beer machine beside his desk. I only knew him two months before he asked me to marry him. (03:01) He'd been married before, and his first wife was a total alcoholic. Now, someone would ask, why would you marry a man after knowing him only two months? I'm a strong Protestant Christian, and I have a lot of predestination. I'm a Scottish grandmother, and I was working as assistant director of the Chamber of Commerce. I had a brand new, relatively new Saab, my first car. It was an 83 Saab. I bought it secondhand from somebody who's 84. (03:33) And my husband was driving an 83 Saab. Mine was a turbo. His was not. He rented part of my house. I had a young doctor and his wife and two children who were renting the house. They were leaving before the end of the lease time, and they put the ad in the paper and told me about all these people. And I said, no, no, no, no. And I had been engaged to someone else. I was just renting my house out. And they said that there was this man who had a dog and a mother-in-law and a son and was a widower and a Marine colonel. (04:16) And he had a dog, and I said, no, absolutely not. So the point that I'm trying to make is that he was someone I didn't cotton to. He sort of acted like a robot. He was very clipped, and I didn't want to like him. But when I heard he was a Princeton graduate, I always thought that was kind of great. When I heard he spoke fluent French and I speak fluent French, when I found out that he drove a Saab, I drove a Saab. (04:50) And when I found out that he went to the same high school that my uncle had gone to, was in the same eating club at Princeton that my Uncle Ben had gone to. He was on scholarship and went to Princeton. Everything the same as my uncle, who was also in intelligence. But I didn't think about that then. I was just thinking, you know, this is God. This is too much, too many similar things. And so it overwhelmed me. (05:21) And he's very, very good looking. At that time he was very good looking. Now he's aged and he really is haggard. Had a rough life. Yeah. Yeah. So I was overwhelmed by him. Plus, my job at the chamber was very demanding. I was doing a great job. But he said that he wanted me to retire because he wanted to make general. And the man who could make him general was General Louis Buell. Because it was just a matter of having somebody who would make you general, to be general. (05:55) It wasn't what you did. You needed somebody above to pull you on up. Yeah. Louis just happened to die and we went to his funeral. And George didn't make it because Louis died. But his first wife had been, I'm sure, battered to death. I was battered. And, you know, but I thought it was just Vietnam and all this kind of thing. And I was trying to get him to stop drinking. Because I couldn't imagine how the Marine Corps would allow someone to be a total alcoholic, (06:33) who couldn't even carry on a normal conversation, dry. I mean, he can't even carry on a normal conversation with anyone unless he's drinking. He never smiled unless he had a glass in his hand. He drank solidly. I have a letter in his own hand that tells, and this is the truth, he drank solidly, this amount that I just said, for 30 years. His booze bill, and they never entertained, he and his first wife, was $250 a month. (07:07) And this is from the naval store. Now think about that. He was totally snockered, just his whole brain, and yet he's working. He is head of running half the world's Marine Corps under General Al Gray. A man who is mentally incapacitated. Totally. Unless he's inebriated, and then when he's drunk, I mean, he's in a different altered state of mind. He can't discern anything. He can follow orders. Oh, and that's all he does. (07:40) And he told me when, I mean, one of our many conversations, he was trying to, he thought I was, you know, because my family were all naval officers and I was out in the world with the chamber, you know, that I just sort of went along with this kind of stuff. And, yeah, I mean, it was just incredible to me. How many wives of high-up military people are there, like yourself, that are speaking out? None. I mean, they're all 30-year Marine wives. (08:16) They're Stepford wives. They are petrified. I have had conversations before I went public, before I went to live with Sarah McClendon, who saved my life. And Sarah McClendon is the? The senior White House correspondent. Is she that little old lady we see on TV asking the President those pointed, jabbing questions all the time? Yes, the little red-headed, feisty Texan who broke the Billy Saul Estes thing. She doesn't go along with the clone group of reporters who are all, most of them, intelligence officers. (08:52) I think she was in intelligence because she was in the Army during World War II. And she's just a remarkable mind, and I lived with her for five, six months. And what's interesting is she called my home. After I had called her or seen her on C-SPAN, she couldn't get through to my house. I was living there by myself. Every time she called my home, this is 1996 from March until she finally got hold of me. (09:22) She had to go to another phone in Maryland to get me on the phone. Every time she called me from her house, she was told, this is a military base and the Griggs's don't live here anymore. Now, that was my phone number long before I met George Griggs. This is my granddaddy's farm, the house that I know. So your phone was being diverted? Absolutely diverted. It's electronic warfare. It's part of their deception. (09:52) They have many levels, but it's all under a big operation. They have an operation now to totally... The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military These are the actual handwritten notes of your husband. Absolutely. And they reveal an awful lot. In fact, does the military or those in the intelligence community, do they realize you have a copy of this? (10:41) They do now. I had a phone conversation with General Jim Joy. How long ago was this? It was in February of 1996. I tried to ask the colonels. They knew I was on the move, trying to find information. My husband had mentioned General Jim Joy. It's hitting the microphone right there. Oh, sorry. That's all right. All right. And I called General. I had to call a General Miller in Jacksonville, who was in my husband's address book, (11:16) and told him I was looking for a Christmas card list. I needed General Joy's telephone number because one of the colonels whom I trusted, Colonel Ken Millis, lied to me. Captain Phil Hallwager lied to me. So I got this General Jim Joy, who was the one who was in the Operation Just Cause. Was it Just Cause the one in Panama? He was in charge of all the psychological operations, the booming music that they hit Noriega with, (11:56) the chasing him around, the stealing his clothes. The same stuff they did at Waco, too. Of course. We'll get to that in a minute. Yes. That's General Jim Joy, who was behind Waco, and General Carl Steiner, the snake, who tried to steal Desert Storm away from Schwarzkopf. But you were trying to get some addresses, and they were giving you the complete runaround. No. Don't even know him. Don't even know him. Don't even know him. (12:22) And I knew him because my husband told me, you know, that he worked with General Joy and General Steiner. They were the triumvirate. But they had different names. They were, you know, in plain clothes. They had different passports. So I got him on the phone. I was given the number by this General Miller. So in the movies, when they say they shall disavow any knowledge, that's not just a little thing for movies. (12:51) That's the truth. They disavow knowledge of all these people. Totally lie. But you nailed him down. Yes. I said, General Joy, I'm Kay Pollard Griggs. My husband, George Griggs, was in the Marine Corps, and he's battered me badly, and we're looking for him because, you know, this has been going on too long and blah, blah, blah. And I was recording this conversation, you see. I was sitting on my bed with the diary right out in front of me. (13:22) And he didn't know that I had the diary. He didn't know anything. It was cold call, like they do cold murders when they graduate from SEAL school, cold, cold murders. I was doing a cold telephone call. And he said, No, I don't believe, and these were his exact words, No, I don't believe I know your husband. This is someone, my husband. I have a card that General Joy sent my husband after the murder, the death of his first wife saying, (14:00) Call me any time. This man, here I was traumatized, battered, beaten, and he lies to me. So I said, Well, General Joy, that's funny because I'm looking at my husband's diary when he was in Beirut, and you're meeting with him almost every day. I said, You know, first, before that I said, You know, he was the Chief of Staff for General Al Gray. You know, he's one of Gray's boys. You know, Chief of Staff of Fleet Marine Force Atlantic. (14:39) Runs half the world, all of the Middle East. NATO Defense College. You don't know my husband. You're a general. You live outside of Quantico. Don't know my husband. I made it very clear. No, no, can't say as I do. So then I told him about the diary, and these are all immature, adolescent males. These are men who don't know how to deal properly with adult adults. They lie. They're deceptive. They hide behind trees. (15:13) But when you nailed him on the diary, when he realized... The diary, he said, his exact words were, Oh, that George Griggs. Uh-huh. Oh, that George Griggs. And that's just the beginning of the kind of run-around deception that you found with these people. Absolutely. And no doubt, that's why they would like very much to have this diary. Yeah. This one page I found particularly interesting. What you, and you're probably more familiar with your husband's handwriting. (15:40) Instead of me reading it, read these notes that he had recorded there. These might help. Okay, I've got these. All righty. A number of the Marines told me a little bit about Dale Dorman. Dale Dorman's not a happy camper. Dale Dorman, because of some mistakes my husband made, was shot. This was, it's 715 to 730. Dorman exited Riviera. That was a, you know, a place, sort of a hiding place or whatever. A gray and tan Mercedes. (16:21) Up to five shots were fired. He raised his left arm. One round penetrated his arm. One struck his chest. Walked back into Riviera to the desk and called Post 1. Security vehicle went to pick him up. Returned to Dora Found, 15 to 18 meters away, and treated. MedVac called 750. MedVac wheels down at 0810 in a H-Bird helicopter, Riviera Hotel, approximately one-ninth of a mile west of the embassy. Dorman has been there since arrival, except, you know, briefly during a period of siege. (17:12) He was not wearing protection. Saw three men in the vehicle. One leaned out back with a shortened rifle or automatic weapon. Sentry at B1 saw and heard nothing. It's just one page of the diary. Sentry saw and heard nothing. Right. In other words, the sentry doesn't talk. Right. Yeah. There's just a whole world of these kind of assassinations and murders and directed. In fact, at one point, your husband actually just discussed people being eliminated. (17:48) Yeah, yeah. Like shooting ducks. Yeah. Oh, we had innumerable discussions over dinner. He'd already had his four gins. Now, he'll talk to any woman or anybody who drinks with him. He'll talk. What is he doing in security? You know what I'm saying? When he was at NATO, I'll get right back to that. When he was at NATO and he was the head of special operations. In fact, I've got copies of his secret check-in-and-out papers at NATO. (18:23) He had them at home. Somehow, you know, I hope I still have those. Anyway, the point is I could get in and out of the NATO headquarters just walking in. And there were all these shady-looking garbage men. And George would leave his office door wide open at lunchtime. He was flirting with a secretary who was a chief who knew everything. You know, the point is what lacks security? And I had to say, George, look, you have got to do something about the security here at NATO (18:56) because I can walk in and out. Oh, just forget it. Forget it. Don't do anything. And I'm a very demonstrative person when it comes to security and honor and integrity and your word is your bond. My culture, my father, my people believe in, you know, in this nation, in my state, Virginia, my people, my culture, my God. You know, this is important. You don't just treat that kind of thing lightly. And I said to him, if you don't do something, I'm going to Landis Kelso. (19:29) I was in the Wives Club. She was the head. And Landis Kelso is the wife of the? The wife of Admiral Frank Kelso, who's a wonderful man, honorable man, wonderful woman. And I had great rapport with her. I sort of stopped an international incident with the French and the English and the British who were ganging up against the French. And they were over, you know, something that was really minor, but it was huge. (19:54) And she helped me. I determined that it was a problem, called her up, and she helped me. we diverted and averted a major thing. So he knew what I would do, and I said, look, if you don't write a report and do something about this, then I'm just going to go to Landis and say what's happening. Point is that the man would, when he was in Beirut, he was sleeping with a spy and double agent, Mary Clark Yostalab, whose husband was a double agent, an Arab at the (20:25) American University of Beirut. He leaves his briefcase wide open. He was with her for five weeks in a hotel. This is a married woman with two children and who followed him all around the United States is still seeing him. Met him in London, lived in Virginia Beach, was working in international programs at ODU while he was married. Would you say your husband is fairly typical of these powerful men? Oh, absolutely typical. (20:49) When I was single, working at the Virginia Center for World Trade, four of us old friends that I went to school with, Molly Holt and a few others, we would go all together to a place called Poppy's. At that time, he was Captain Jerry Unruh. Now he's Admiral Three Stars Jerry Unruh. This man, again, was married. He was running around with the tail hook crowd. I did not know he was married. I knew he was a Navy Captain. I was told by him that he would be taking command of the carrier Saratoga. (21:40) He followed me everywhere, even went up to Wintergreen. Now, he sent me pictures, private separate pictures of the Israeli guys waving to him. He was a tail hook pilot, a tail hook pilot. You know, the airplanes and the jets. And he was a Mustang, but totally immoral, totally. And knew that he would never get caught. In fact, he was in tail hook. (22:16) They had a big party down at the beach, and they were doing – I mean, I didn't go by that time, because I learned that he was married. And the point is that he and this whole group, I've found out about Al Gray, you know. General Al Gray. Yeah, yeah. And what is this consistent thread of this sexual degeneracy and the homosexuality and just the raw base nature that seems to be so prevalent? Have you ever determined what it is? I mean, why? Well, it's a way to handle them, to control them. (23:05) I mean, years ago, you thought of people like General Eisenhower as an upright man. I don't know. I know some things about him. How far back can we go to where you find people that are decent and moral and upright? Right. Where you had real people who defended the Constitution, who had a feeling – Robert E. Lee was. They were nationalists and America first. You've got to go back a good ways, probably. Oh, oh, absolutely. (23:31) You see, growing up in Norfolk, Virginia, my whole family had been naval officers and also working. In other words, they would enter the service during a time of war of need, and then they'd go back to being fathers and being husbands. I had a wonderful father, wonderful grandparents, wonderful family, who put their family first. Well, they put their God first, Christ, and then their wives and their sons and their children. This is the way America was built. (24:15) Now, these generals in the Marine Corps and Army, they don't look at it that way, according to my husband. They are ordered, my husband being Chief of Staff, told his men it was like this. It's the Marine Corps first, the brotherhood, the Cherry Marine, you know, the bonding that goes on. The Marine Corps comes before God, before Jesus Christ, before the country, and then it's whatever the religion they have. I don't know because my husband is not a Christian. He's an existentialist, and most of these guys are. (25:00) Certainly, Al Grey is Krulak. I think his wife goes to church, but their God is this brotherhood. The brotherhood, and it's very German. Does it have Masonic leanings? Oh, absolutely Masonic leanings. In fact, the Admiral, who was the last Admiral, whose car my husband bought, was very impressed with this Norwegian Admiral. They're all Masons now. Not all Masons, but this brotherhood, Opus Dei, or the mob. (25:43) I mean, the one thing I've been able to determine about the current Marine Corps, the Marine Corps that my husband came in with, Grey, Reap, Sheehan, they're all mob. No, when you say mob, you're talking Mafia type mob? New Jersey Mafia, right, right. And there's Brooklyn, Brooklyn, New Jersey. Okay, the mob and this military bunch, they're this one. The Marine Corps guys are the hit men, and they are mercenaries. They'll work for anybody. You think the Marine Corps is under the Navy? No way. (26:25) They can just as easily be under an Army colonel, and if the Army colonel meets a Marine Corps colonel, the Army colonel is superior. They'll switch hats just like that. My husband said, it's just, you know, no biggie deal. I'll go work for the State Department. I don't really. The Marine Corps is just a, it's like a smoke and mirrors thing, and they're run out of New Orleans. Fourth Marine, Oswald. I mean, they are not, on his level, he said, we've never been an enemy of the Soviet Union. They work with these Communists. (26:56) The man who started the whole, this whole intelligence operation, the OSS, he was recruiting known Communists who were involved in the Spanish subverting Spain. You know, there's no more. They're not Americans. They're not Christians. They're German existentialists. Now, what are they doing running our nation? I just, it's kind of, they have more affinity for the state of Israel right now than they do our nation. They don't care about American citizens. (27:40) The judges now in the courts are, are military officers following chain of command orders. They're not independent judges. So, all this spills over then into the political areas, like the judgeships. Sure. They're all Marines. Senators, Congressmen. Who is John Warner? A Marine. Who is Chuck Robb? A Marine. They control the powerful committees. Dick Davis, Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, a Marine. His wife was, I hate to say it, well everybody knows, a Norfolk a prostitute. (28:22) You know, Martha was a wonderful woman, I'm sure to him, but they were involved in organized crime. Now, I don't know, I know that our present governor in Virginia is an army officer. He takes orders. So, the question that all of us wives are asking now is, well who gives the orders? If they're told that we the wives are enemies, how are the sons going to grow up? If the mothers who are teaching them truth are lied to, and the husbands are told, ordered by the likes of Al Gray, major homosexual, when he was in, in the, I shouldn't (29:12) say this, but it's true, when he was in, in the, in Marseilles, the boys are called Gray's boys. He never married. Okay, the boys referring to everybody under him. Everybody under Al Gray, and he had a separate organization, while he was commandant, that was a contract organization, getting information on, on people, having them, if they weren't corrupted, corrupting them, farming people, so that he would have something on them, so that they would use that later to (29:51) control and manipulate them. It's like what happened to Newt Gingrich. All these guys, like Newt Gingrich, Bill Clinton, who've gone through the sweats like Cohen. What happens is they get a little tiny thing to prove their power, how much power they have. They use guys like Michael Isikoff in Newsweek or their little clones, you know, like Woodward and Bernstein who are operatives. Okay, they're former military too. (30:23) Well, oh my goodness, they were, I believe it was Bob Woodward, it's either Woodward or the other one. See, I knew some British intelligence people. And I was told the whole story about how he was running around with Peter Jay's wife, who was the ambassador to Great Britain. And this man was sleeping with Peter Jay's wife, and there was a movie, I think Jack Nicholson was this guy. (30:47) And this was her story about what she went through while her husband, the columnist, was sleeping with the ambassador's wife to get information on what was going on in Great Britain. Now this is the team that broke Watergate. So what were the motives? Of course, Watergate was horrible. And Nixon had something like 60 military jags alone working for him, doing dirty tricks. One of those jags was Ernest Frank Reynolds, changed his name to Ern Reynolds. He came to me, I was farmed. (31:24) Tim Hunter, an intelligence army operative, came to me with this story about, oh, you know, hard lock, you know, Saudi Arabia, and I was in the army. And I had this friend who can help you out with your legal case. He's a really good guy, you know, Ern Reynolds. And if you meet him, I know he'll do some free legal work for you. So I was staying with Sarah, and I didn't have any money, but I took the little, you know, the train into Fairfax. (32:08) He met me in his Volvo station wagon with his jacket on. I didn't know what the big four meant on his leather jacket. And he took me to his... And what did it mean? Fourth Marine. Operative. And he had the most fantastic apartment. See, I'm a big book person, and I love, you know, reading history and everything, and I'm impressed by people who read, who are intelligent, who are wise. You have a master's yourself in... (32:39) Scottish history, an undergraduate in Virginia history. I worked on the Dunmore Papers. I studied with people like Ian Cowan and Geoffrey Barrow and Tom Devine. These are scholars in Great Britain who are experts on the Reformation, and my interest was Mary Quintus Scott at the Reformation, and also Lord Dunmore, who was the last royal governor of Virginia, and I was working on the Dunmore Papers too. So you had an interest in... (33:11) I mean, this guy's layout impressed you. Yeah, yeah. He's a real intellectual. Yeah, and he was divorced, you know, a sad story and everything. Worked for the Justice Department. Was supposedly a whistleblower. Supposedly a Christian. So this guy's really going to help you out. Oh, yeah. Boy, did I buy into that. It's like the old story. I'm from the government. I'm here to help you. Oh, yeah. So I caught him sneaking around my house at two o'clock one morning. (33:42) Two in the morning? Yeah, and of course, I'm most gullible in school, you know, and I'm trusting. I'm a Christian, and I always look to the good side of somebody. I see the good little part. It took me about three times. The guy had my original documents that had just been in my briefcase under his car seat. He invites me to a cybernetics conference in Champaign, Illinois. I leave Martha Rountree's apartment, and it's a rain so that all of my things are in his safe little car, (34:25) and we're going to his parents' house in Roanoke, and of course, you know, you can't take all your things to the cybernetics conference because I was going home, but this is a smooth psychological operations guy. I mean, he is doing psychological operations on a woman in Champaign, Illinois, who is the lover of a German spy, who he's been writing letters to her, and he's showing me these letters. The guy's perverted. (34:55) I mean, he's writing Susan Perenti, these letters, you know, like invading her mind, and you know, why are you, and Susan's written him two letters or three letters. She's very beautiful, and he's got pictures, but he's sharing these letters with a group of men, seven men, one of whom is head of intelligence, is head of computers and the intelligence for the Army, Ron Jarmuth. Now, Ron Jarmuth comes right out and says, I'm an anarchist. You know, I mean, his family are New York old Zionist Jews. He met his wife in, I think, in a kibbutz, you know. (35:28) I mean, he's a nice personable guy, but when you say to somebody like me, I'm an anarchist, just so blithely, and you, you know, and he's always over at Ern's house, and Ern's got a picture by his bedstead, drawn by a man who's a known homosexual, whom he met when he was at the University of Virginia, who was the chaplain at Hollins College, whom my best friend was there, and she said, he's a well-known homosexual, and I'm thinking, what is a picture of Ern Reynolds doing being painted (36:12) when he's young by this known homosexual, and then I find out that the man who enlisted him in the Republican Party, he was doing dirty tricks for seven years for the Republican National Committee. I mean, dirty tricks, as it, underneath this man from West Virginia who was a homosexual, and left all of his money to Ern's son, and took his son on a trip. Now, and Ern is a lobbyist for homosexuals. (36:34) He's just, you know, working in the Episcopal Church. He's got a group of women that he meets with at the seminary. He's, he's, I'm sure that my case, my profile, he's probably got charge of it now. He's the expert on Katherine Pollard Griggs, but he's not. The guy is absolutely not grown up, but he's a thief. And so, your case, your case just got stonewalled, just got sucked into a memory hole by a guy who was (37:24) acting under orders to, you get, you get Katherine Griggs under your control, and that's that. Sabotage her. Sabotage her. Sure. And he stole your document. Sure, sure. Sabotage me. Turned on me right in the middle of the commissioner's hearing. Laughed at me when I cried. You know, this is a guy who hates women, and the interesting thing is, I went to his family home, and he had a wonderful mother, and he told me that his father battered his (38:03) mother. His father was in the Marine Corps, and there was a picture of Chesty Puller in the basement. Well, that fits the profile, though, doesn't it? I mean, if his father battered the mother, which, he grew up in this dysfunctional environment. Totally dysfunctional. So, when he hit the military, or he was noticed in college, or ROTC, or whatever, so here's a guy who is susceptible to mind control. Sure. To be developed. I think you use the term for budding. (38:27) He was recognized as a potential bud, and he's moving up the ranks. His roommate was from New York, was a Zionist, and he was an outcast at the University of Virginia. An outcast. Yeah. Why would he be an outcast? He felt he was an outcast. So, he had this roommate, and I don't know this man who was the homosexual from West Virginia, and we had to go by through his town, and you know, the guy died, but this homosexual was a friend of the homosexual at Holland's, who was a chaplain there at Holland's College, whom I met. (39:10) We had lunch with him one day. The father had the picture of Chesty Puller, and so forth. Well, Earn, I knew he was trying to sabotage me, and so forth, because I had already had Alexander Robinson come down from Princeton every other weekend, my husband's teacher, who was also a Marine, whose family brought over the Saudi Royals, who was one of my husband's teachers, and I caught him walking around my house at two (39:56) o'clock in the morning. I overheard him talking to my best friend. My best friend's mother saying, undercutting me, we just don't know. Kay is just under so much stress. And he's a very handsome, very dignified guy. Went to Columbia University, was in Algeria, that area with the Marine Corps. Then went into the boys' school, the Huns' school. He's an intelligence, without a doubt. His brother-in-law was Bill Eddy, Colonel Bill Eddy, who was the, I believe it's the (40:41) brother-in-law, I've got to get, his name is Eddy and it's Bill Eddy, but he was the translator for the Saudi Royals during the Roosevelt administration. And the Roosevelt, the New York crowd, was trying to steal all of those countries away from Great Britain. The Balfour Declaration had sort of come in and there was a guy named Moose, not the present Moose who has the Africa desk at the State Department, who's an African-American, but (41:19) this was a guy named Moose who helped the State Department steal Saudi Arabia away from Britain. Because Britain was allowing the Saudis to be Saudis, you know, to keep their religion, to keep their culture. They were not trying to kill people right off the bat, you know. So George is part of that OSS crowd. And their stock in trade is just murder, assassination, creating conflicts, phony baloney wars and conflicts, for the purpose of making money, drugs, controlling the drug (42:05) flow. Now let's talk about the drug flow in the United States, based on your conversations with your husband. I met drug lords through him. I met the head guy. See, George was telling me everything. First three years of marriage it was just like, you know, you're with me gal, because he was so used to talking to Mary Halab and Ann Boucher, you know, the group partnerships with sex and all this stuff. And you know, I'm a pretty loving woman and I'm fun, I was then. (42:38) But you're not into swinging. No, I'm not into swinging. And swapping husbands and wives. No, and George was into swinging. He and Sue and Nancy and Jim Earl, you know. And I heard about that from colonels and one Navy captain. But then your husband also would tell you that this is just life the way it is in our crowd. Oh, yeah. This is it. All these generals, admirals, colonels, all these people. Oh, yeah. Yeah. (43:01) Men too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he was just trying to remember what we were on, something that I was going to say and I remember. Well, you know, I... Anyway. I can't remember. Oh, he's talking about the fact that they're into making money and this drug business. Oh, yeah. Fahim. So you met all these drug lords. Yes. I met Fahim. As if they were just business partners. Oh, yeah. Well, he told me what they did. You know, Fahim was a colonel. (43:38) He's in the diary too. But George said what they do is they nurture, they cultivate the sons of prominent families. The State Department finds them. They're called rising stars. Yeah. And they turn. That's the word they use, George used. They turn them. They bring them in. They rope them in. If they're alcoholics, give them more booze than anybody. If they want women, you know, they find the women. They turn them and then let them know, you know, if they ever get in any trouble, come on over here. (44:23) We'll take care of you. Well, Fahim had come on over here. Things were getting hot in Beirut. He was a Catholic. He was very prominent family. And he was going and hiding up in Maine. I remember I had his number, and I talked to his sister. But they called a lot of the stuff out of the house the very first time when George kind of disappeared. And, you know, and then I found out about what happened with Sue, his first wife, and all of that. (44:58) Well, now, did you come to learn how drugs actually come into the country? Yeah. I saw a news piece one time where a pilot who was in prison alleged that they actually landed on military bases with huge planes loaded with dope. Oh, this is how they all brought them in, the Norwegians, the Brits. The drugs, you see, they would come down through Burma, Turkey. They'd come through the Bekaa Valley. The banks were in Beirut. (45:35) They were in Panama, Mexico, in St. Thomas after, you know, the laundering of cash. You see, cash, that's why some of the banks in New York, you can very easily find out who the drug lords are. Barry McCaffrey, I saw him two weeks ago, and he said something very – he let it slip out. He's an Army general, you know. He said, we haven't done any more or any less in the last five years. Now – In terms of the war on drugs? (46:10) Yeah. No, they're just holding it. The word he used, I think, was holding it. It was a word that you could tell they'd used in briefings. They were – the guys who were doing the drugs are military officers. In fact – Doing the drugs meaning controlling the flow. Controlling them. Oh, yeah. In fact, one of George's best friends, Colonel Ray Moore, I suspect that Ray Moore was from the gang, the ghetto area in California. (46:44) His wife is a very – was a very good friend of mine, Charlotte. She's dead? No, he is. Oh, he is. But he, when George would sort of disappear – Your husband? Yeah. All of a sudden, they would appear and be in the house. You know, calm me down, take me over, exercise, you know, do all this mystical stuff. And it was really funny because they came back from Mexico and it was – George just happened to disappear and they were right there, you know. (47:16) Well, Ray Moore, all this stuff I knew about his background and I started thinking, what's going on in Mexico? Why the heck is Ray going down to Lake Chapala? And he would talk about his day. His day would be going out with the men, playing golf, going to this spa with the men, you know. They were doing deals, going to Guadalajara. And there would be Tom Reap, another former chief of staff for Ray, going to Mexico. (47:49) There would be Ken Millis, another temporary chief of staff. When George's wife's funeral took place, there was Ken Millis. Now, these are guys who are part of what we call the brotherhood. And they're all going down to Mexico. So what's going on in Mexico? Ray's one of these guys who wants to sit and go sit in the sun. He doesn't want to go down there to Mexico and do all that stuff. But he did. And he got cancer all of a sudden. (48:28) And another guy got cancer all of a sudden right after he got out of the Marine Corps. Now, not to diverge from what we're talking about right now, but did your husband ever tell you anything about any disease, warfare, like giving people sicknesses? Yeah, yeah. That's part of it. They call it, he called it ABC, NBC. It was something like Nuclear Biological Chemical, ABC, Atomic Biological Chemical. They call it biologicals. (49:02) And, in fact, I'm not going to mention his name because this is a guy who's really a good guy who's scared. The word they use is shitless. Excuse me. But that's the word. This guy is petrified. Because? Because he's doing that work. The chemical? And biological work. You mean the laboratory work or the implementation? Dealing, sub-diffuse, deception in the Middle East. Okay, and they use disease-causing drugs? (49:39) Absolutely. And how do they administrate them? With, in missiles and, I mean, this is an elaborate big business. Like Peter Kawaja, Marine Corps guy, who's working in plain clothes at one of the plants in Florida. This is why George is in Florida. This is why they're all down in Florida, because all of this stuff is being... We manufactured the chemicals and biologicals that were in Iraq. Now, if you don't believe me, you don't believe Peter Kawaja, a Marine Corps colonel, who's... (50:21) He says they killed his wife. I believe him. He worked in one of these factories. It was supposedly a candy factory, where they were manufacturing deadly, deadly killer things. The Marine Corps, Al Gray, Krulak, Carl Mundy. He's in the CFR. He was in Ken Millis' class, who was the chief of staff, the one who controlled me. I went to his mother's house in Seven Mile, Ohio. Flo, his father, was a German Nazi. (50:55) I'm not saying that being a German Nazi is bad, but he's part of this group. And if you don't believe me, if you don't believe Peter Kawaja about the drugs, you can... I mean, it's just... Everybody knows. There's a guy named Randy Hebert, lieutenant colonel, hero, American patriot. This is a guy who should be the commandant of the Marine Corps, Krulak. I'm talking to you. I'm talking to Al Gray. I'm talking to you, Carl Mundy. (51:33) You all are adolescent, immature... I call you twerps. You're liars. You cheat. You steal. You kill. You're beneath the contempt of any of your wives. They are scared to death. Why do you do this to your wives, guys? Look at that tape of Randy Hebert. I knew Chesty Puller, and this is a strong, wonderful guy. I knew his wife, Virginia Mack. I knew a real Marine. You can't say that you knew them because you didn't. (52:09) I did. Randy Hebert stood, sat. He could hardly talk. He was leading a platoon into Iraq. His wife was sitting to his left. His wonderful father was sitting to his right. And he said that his colonel... He's a lieutenant colonel at that time. I believe he was a lieutenant colonel. He said, my colonel ordered me... All of our registers were saying, this is danger. There are chemicals, biologicals everywhere. (52:41) I was told, and I was, you know, followed orders. And he was having a hard time talking. His wife was... This is a young guy. His wife was having to interpret for him. He was crying. He'd been turned on by you guys. He said, on those canisters, on those boxes, were American. American flags. Those were American... Biological agents. Biologicals that we were walking into that killed me, that you, Gray, and you, Scrocoff, (53:23) and you, McFarland, and you guys knew. You, Ed Wilson, best friend of my husband. You all sold to Saddam Hussein. And not only that, I talked to the man who trained the woman who was sent over from Iraq to learn how to build the biologicals and chemicals, the plants. She was trained here in the United States. I didn't know that. And Randy Hebert's testimony says everything that I could say a million times better, (54:06) because this is a man who's a real man, unlike the generals, unlike the colonels. This is a real hero. Now, is Randy Hebert, is he still alive? I don't know, and I hope and I pray to God that he is. Because this is the man who should take over our Marine Corps. He's a man who's a man of his wife. That's why they don't have any women in special operations, because that's why they don't have any African Americans. (54:34) They're too honest. They're too strongly Christian. Now, the only guy I know who is involved is a homosexual, and his buddy is an Israeli agent. And they are lovers. They're a pair. But he's now a colonel, and he is under the guidance of Ken Millis. Okay, now, as these generals, over the period of years, this has consolidated to where they're all part of this club. I mean, this has been going on for years and years and years. (55:17) Members of the firm. Okay, so as the firm grows, even as the old guys, as the gray heads get old, die off, retire, whatever, they already set in motion a system that culls out these young, budding, rising stars, and they move their way up. Well, then, in time, it consolidates to where no one is in this, unless they're in the club. Absolutely. So is your conclusion, based on what you know from your husband's revelations, reading his diaries, (55:47) this sort of thing, in the U.S. military, the Army and Marines, anybody in the level of, you know, your generals and your colonels, is there anybody who would not be in this club? There's nobody who doesn't know. In special operations, I would say, and I would put money in the bank on this, not one of them is not a party to this. It's not a... Like that bird, Colonel, that bird, they go through an initiation ceremony. (56:23) This is not a... And my husband told me about that, too. What's the initiation ceremony like? They get them drunk. Dining in, shellback. He told me... Oh, dining in. This is a term that they use. Oh, yeah. A code word. Shellback. What's that mean? The guys who are that way do it. It's a group situation thing. And I was told by two colonels who said, you know, it's normal, Kay. This is just what we do in battle, you know. (57:00) This is just good old boys? This is just what we do, Kay. They get drunk and they have... They get drunk and they ejaculate. They beat each other up. You know, it's awful. I'm not God, and I'm not going to judge them and their souls. This is a well-oiled system. And when you've got the commandant well-known as a cherry marine, cherry marine, cherry marine. Which means? Bottom. They're the bottom. The Navy guys are on the top. (57:40) Think about this, Walter Chrysler and Norfolk. Each port has a hierarchy. Wealthy at the top. Walter Chrysler and Phil Hornthal. Everybody in Norfolk knows that. Where'd they meet? In the Navy. I was engaged to Jack Mace when I was at the Virginia Center for World Trade.

The Kay Griggs Interviews, 1988, Part 3/8 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped) This series of interviews is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure that's public into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among many others), will not talk about this interview although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary (08:50) Kay Griggs discusses the involvement of military generals (General Joy and General Steiner) in orchestrating violence, including events in Waco, and claims her husband trains mercenaries from various countries to commit murder, funded by taxpayers. (10:35) She explains that these mercenaries are selected based on psychological profiles, often arising from troubled backgrounds, and drawing parallels between her husband and infamous figures like Lee Harvey Oswald and Timothy McVeigh, suggesting these individuals share a similar psychological makeup. (12:14) Griggs describes meeting individuals involved in criminal activities, including assassins and drug lords, and emphasizes the narrative of her husband's transformation into a 'robotic' individual involved in a violent military culture that embraces existentialism, depravity, and manipulation. (19:12) There are claims of a connection between the military and organized crime, including the Mafia, suggesting that retired military personnel often engage in drug trafficking and weapons sales, creating a corrupt cycle intertwined with US military operations. (30:44) The interview highlights systemic abuse and cover-ups associated with pedophilia in secret societies, linking high-profile individuals, including Father George Bush, to child abuse and observing how these crimes are masked by powerful influences in society. (35:33) Griggs recounts incidents of child sexual abuse linked to cults that reportedly exploit preschools for nefarious activities, asserting that fear prevents children from speaking out about their traumas, reinforcing a culture of silence surrounding these abuses. (57:21) She shares personal experiences of threats to her life, detailing attempts on her life that she believes are linked to her exposing these truths, showcasing how her struggle for truth has resulted in dire consequences against her and her family. Transcript: (08:50) The men in black who killed those people in Waco, it was General Joy and General Steiner. Steiner's army, dirty tricks, special operations. (09:57) And this is what my husband does for a living, is train mercenaries, young boys from countries like Romania, Cuba, I mean Dominican Republic, Haiti, all these countries. They're training them to be murderers. And the taxpayers' dollars are paying for this. Okay, now they train them just through the normal channels of the military. So the kids join the Army of the Rancor, and then they select these kids based on some criteria to train them? (10:35) They psychologically profile them. The profile, which is similar to my husband's and Lee Harvey Oswald's and McVeigh's and some of the others who were all part of this program, Dommler, Jeffrey Dommler, was profiled and hidden. What most Americans do not know is that all of these men were Army. Jeffrey Dommler, he has a military background? Of course, they're all Army. They were all picked out because they're perverted or twisted. (11:08) Sexually perverted? Sexually perverted and therefore, you know, Well, now I don't think McVeigh was perverted the way Dommler was, but certainly the group that my husband is overseeing are twisted. So part of the criteria, they look for people who have got something in their history that gives them a weird bend. Yeah. Like they were molested when they were a child or they come from dysfunctional families, abuse, whatever. (11:39) Strong mother, weak father, no father, poor. Because these guys are looking for security, so they will stay in the military and do anything for that security. This was my husband's scenario. My husband and Oswald are just two peas in a pod. Exactly the same personality, the same type, in the same elite group, I might add, which was doing work with communists and Russians, with Czechoslovakians and with Romanians. (12:14) I met assassins. I met drug lords. Fahim Cordobaoui, whose family were the drug lords in the Bekaa Valley. I mean, he knows the elite of the elite of the elite. And that's why I was warned twice not to talk. And you were warned? I was told that I would be killed. Your husband warned you about this? Oh, my husband warned me early on, but he knew that he loved me in the beginning. I'm sure he really did. But he's a robot, my husband, except when he's drinking. (13:03) And I think that's why he drank, because the first three years of marriage, he was telling me everything. And I come from a very strong Protestant Southern culture, which, you know, when you're talking about shooting people like ducks, the only thing I can relate it to is my brother's going duck hunting, which is what George would tell me it was like. Killing is just, you know, it's nothing. There's no emotion involved. (13:33) You just get rid of somebody. And he said he was an existentialist and that these murders were necessary. And, you know, very matter of fact. And I'd sort of go, uh-huh, yep, and we'd be eating dinner. I was just trying to get him to know Christ, you know, to sort of understand a little bit about my background and America's background. But his group, they are not Christians. They're what he calls existentialists. (14:08) They study German Clausewitz and Nietzsche, Sartre, Camus, Montesquieu. And his thesis at Princeton, which was written for him by a very good friend of his named Todevay, who was a French count, and his thesis was on this. And it was supposedly it was in French, but my French is better than his. So he could not have written that by himself. I know that. I know it was written for him. But in the intelligence world and in the communist world and the world that my husband was in, (14:58) one had to know French because all of the terrorist trainers and the guys who were funding all the guerrillas and everything were in Paris and New Orleans. They would go back and forth. Still, the 4th Marines is out of New Orleans, and that's been going on a long time, ever since Disraeli, even before, I think. But they had hit squads and, you know, undercover groups in New Orleans. And George would go to New Orleans, all the Marines. (15:34) I mean, this is where they train, do terrorist training, Lake Pontchartrain and places like that. Okay, and then this would be during the 1980s? Yeah, 1980s. I think New Orleans has been a school for a place where debauchery and murder and cults. Flourished. Yeah. Well, there's a New Orleans connection with the JF Kennedy assassination. Well, you see, Oswald, my husband and Oswald were in the same club. General Jim Joy is in that club. (16:14) General Louis Buell, who was my husband's benefactor or whatever you want to call it, is in that club. There is a—in fact, I've got the name of—there are Russians in that club. Yeah, feel free to grab any reference material. Yeah. What I want to tell you about General Al Gray, my husband was the chief of staff for General Al Gray, who was the commandant of the Marine Corps. And I probably shouldn't say this on the tape, and you all can get rid of it, but he's a homosexual. (16:52) Gray. Gray. He's what they call a cherry Marine. Now, I'm not anti—I'm trying to find my—I hope I've got it. Yeah, here it is. The Vietnam War— Now, this term cherry Marine, is that a— Cherry Marine. That's a common phrase in the military. See, the thing is, I—you know, there are guys and there are girls, and I just came from such a real prudish culture, you know. That's fine. You came from a normal culture. And I'm not judging them, but they— (17:34) The Vietnam War, I know a lot about that, about the MACSOG program and the Phoenix program, because George was involved with a very important part of that. Not important, really, but he and Al Gray and Louis Buell and Michael O'Boyle and Ollie Whipple were— Do you remember the Manguez and the Pueblo? Was it the— Oh, the seizure of that little ship? Yes. This was—it's run by the Mob then. It was a Mob military partnership, joint. (18:28) It was a joint operation in Korea and in Vietnam. The highest levels of the Marine Corps and the Army in those special operations levels, the individuals are actually in the Mob. New Jersey— You're talking about the Mafia-type Mob? I'm talking about the Brooklyn, New Jersey Mob. My husband, Al Gray, Sheehan, they're all Brooklyn. Cap Weinberger, Heinz Kissinger. There's the Boston Mob, which was shipping weapons back and forth to Northern Ireland. (19:12) And I don't want to get too deeply involved in that, but it goes— Israel, some of the Zionists who came over from Germany— Germany, according to my husband, works with those people. They do a lot of money laundering in the banks, cash transactions for the drugs that they are bringing over, through Latin America, the Southern Mafia, the Dixie Mafia, which is now my husband is involved with in Miami. The military are all involved once they retire. (19:53) They go into this drug and secondary weapons sales. And before I forget, I want to find the name of this Russian who worked with Al Gray, who was my husband's boss, and I'm trying to see where I wrote it. I may have to look and find that another... There's no trouble at all. How are we doing over there, guys? Sound good? How much time is set rolled on the clock? On your clock? You can speak. 20 minutes. 20? Okay. (20:42) Go ahead. I can't find it right now. I'll find it. Vietnam was really important because a lot of experiments were done on boys who went over there. Since my husband disappeared and since they have been psychologically trying to destroy me, financially trying to destroy me, because I'm telling the truth, his first wife I know was murdered. She was, according to a psychiatrist whose name I probably won't give because he's an (21:28) honorable man. I was given permission before I went public with Sarah McClendon at the Press Club anonymously, but they knew who I was on the 3rd of July, 1996, was when I came out with a small group of people. But before that time, they were trying to handle me, to try and get me to be quiet. They tried threatening me and so forth. And I'm trying to remember where I was, the point I was going to make. I can't remember now what I was going to ... It was something important. (22:18) Oh, yeah, General Jim Joy. I called General Jim Joy on the phone. I was trying to find where my husband was because I didn't know whether I had any money to eat, food to eat, or what. He just walked away and I knew that the Marine Corps knew where he was. But I was being handled psychologically. On the 4th of March, my home was broken into. They had elaborate plans to handle me. The 4th of March, 1996. 1996. (22:53) And keep in mind, he had disappeared on the 28th of December. Of 96. Of 96, yeah, 96, 95. So put yourself in my shoes. I have no idea where he is. He's done this before, but in each time, I was totally traumatized. So I get ... What happened during this break-in? Well, they were looking for the diary, which I have here. I don't have the original copy, but this is the diary. Okay, can you lift it up so we can ... (23:29) Yeah, sure. Yeah, just ... This is it. It's his Beirut diary. Can I hold this? Yeah. This is it. Okay. And it's in his handwriting. The Beirut diary tells how the intelligence community, the Army and Marine Corps assassins, snipers, how they operate in the city during a crisis. My husband was the liaison between the White House and President Jamal. So my husband is a friend of Scowcroft, McFarland's a Marine. All of these men are personal friends of George's. (24:18) Colby, I spoke with personally on the phone. Two weeks later, he was murdered. He went to Princeton. My husband knew him. He knew my husband. He told me, Colby told me that ... Now, this is General Colby? No, this is William Colby, who was head of the CIA. Oh, okay. Yeah. Who was murdered in a ... So-called building accident. I know exactly how that happened because, you see, the SEAL teams, SEAL teams six, four, (24:53) six and eight are on the East Coast, and then the odd numbers are on the West Coast. And some of the people who are affiliated with the SEALs, I shouldn't say that. I'm not going to say it, but ... It wouldn't be hard for a SEAL to come from underwater and tip the boat over and make sure the man's dead, that sort of thing? The Israelis train with the SEALs. They do a lot of wet-ups, murders, over here because of some sort of arrangement. (25:31) The young boys ... I met three young assassins on a bus going up, back and forth to Sarah's. I went on the bus because they were sabotaging my car so often. So I sat next to two young assassins, one from Romania, one from Haiti, and I let them know that I understand how it is. And this little boy cried. I won't mention which one it was because it may get back to him. But he told me it was the same scenario. (26:10) His mother, he lives on $850 a month. Now these are mercenaries working. The taxpayers are paying mercenaries. The taxpayers are paying young men who are not citizens of the United States to kill innocent people, women and children. They get on a flight from Norfolk in Oceania. They fly to Stuttgart, and I was told this is what they do. Then they go by a special helicopter to countries like Turkey, like the part of Iraq, to Algeria, (27:01) to parts of Africa, and they do wet-ups. They'll just, you know, murder 5, 10, 20 people. And then they blame it on the Arabs, or they blame it on somebody else, but it's actually NATO rogue assassins because there are men from Australia, South Africa, Britain that I've been able to determine. And a lot of these other little countries that are sort of wanting to get into NATO, they have little boys that they pick out, and they call them special. (27:47) They use the word special, meaning elite, irregular, in order to entice these boys because they don't have much ego. So if you call being a criminal, in other words, they are protected. They know that they are above the law. That's what they... My husband's above the law. Judge John Moore is above the law. Colonel Barry Cantor, my husband's JAG colonel lawyer, is above the law. Grover Wright, Marine Corps, all of these, a lot of these guys who were judges, had their (28:25) wives gotten rid of. Judge John Moore had his first wife thrown into a mental institution before he became a judge. He battered her. And I spoke with a man who has a purple heart, two people who knew Hannah very well. And Hannah Moore was deeply in love with her husband. He got back from Vietnam. He was an Army Ranger. He battered her. He physically and psychologically abused her. And she started screaming, you know, doing what I, because I was battered and bruised. (29:06) A lot of wives are by these Vietnam vets, but if they're a colonel or if they're a rising star, the wife has got to be crazy because they've got too much invested in these men. And it's a very small cult. I mean, they, I have heard the things that they do when they're colonels. It's some of the same things that they do in cap and gown, which is the Princeton version of skull and bones. My husband went to Princeton after he went to the Huns' school for four years. (29:45) Okay, now we should probably clarify a little bit about, you mentioned skull and bones and many of the people wouldn't be familiar with that and the cap and gown. So what are these clubs that these young inductees are pulled into? Secret societies? Secret societies. And again, is this to make them feel super special? Yes. And also put a control on them so that you never tell these secrets? Yes. That's it. You have got it. (30:19) You know, I've heard a lot of child molesters. I mean, people who are not connected with the military, just plain old child molesters, they'll molest a child and then tell them, now, if you ever tell, you know, they'll take a cat and strangle it and kill it or something. This is what I'm going to do to your mother. This is what I'll do to you. Bad things will happen if you ever tell. That's right. And children grow up believing that I must never ever tell and they don't generally unless (30:44) someone comes along to help them see the light and come out of it. And what happens is that you have the cover up. There are so many stories where the story of this Satanism and this child abuse starts to come to light and immediately the lid goes on because the system controls the various aspects that can keep the lid on. This is just one example. There's endless numbers around the world. The Franklin cover up. (31:09) It was an investigation by this guy, John W. DeCamp, who was former state senator in Nebraska. And he started investigating this guy, Lawrence King, a major Republican who sang the American national anthem in 1984 and 1988, I think it was, at the Republican convention. And he was investigating him for financial fraud through an organization called the Franklin Savings and Loans. But then he discovered that he's running a pedophile ring and providing children for (31:40) the biggest names in America. And he wrote this book, the Franklin cover up, child abuse, Satanism, again they go together all the time, and murder in Nebraska. And what happened? Some of it got into this Washington Times, a mainstream newspaper, the connection to the Reagan-Bush administration, but most of it was totally covered up. I've been writing in my books now since 1998 that Father George Bush is a notorious pedophile, (32:11) child torturer, child killer, and serial killer of adults as well. Said it on American radio. Still waiting for a response. And this is one example, a lady who became a friend of mine, Kathy O'Brien, who was in the American government mind control project since she was a kid, and met her many times, she still corresponds with me now and again, and I've met a daughter that she was talking about, lovely, lovely girl, totally shattered by these people. (32:41) And that's one example of millions and millions that are going on around the world. And this is what she said in a book, Transformation of America, Kelly's bleeding rectum was but one of many physical indicators of George Bush's pedophile perversions. I have overheard him speak blatantly of his sexual abuse of her on many occasions. He used this and threats to her life to pull my strings and control me. (33:05) The psychological ramifications of being raped by a pedophile president are mind-shattering enough, but reportedly Bush further reinforced the traumas to Kelly's mind with sophisticated NASA electronic and drug mind control devices. Bush also instilled the who you're gonna call and I'll be watching you binds on Kelly, further reinforcing her state of helplessness. The systematic tortures and trauma that I endured as a child now seem trite by comparison, (33:32) they're not, I know what she went through, to the brutal physical and psychological devastation that George Bush inflicted on my daughter. And that's just one of these people involving one of the victims of this. It's incredible, the scale of it, and it's going on in this country. And what happens? The war goes up. This is what de Camp found. Suddenly ranks are pulled in and the media won't touch it, the social services won't (34:01) touch it, the police won't touch it, politicians won't touch it. It's the blueprint, it's how it works. And the Discovery Channel program, produced by Yorkshire Television, was about to go to air, exposing that Franklin cover-up and the pedophile connections, bingo, it was censored and pulled just before it was going to air. Never to see the light of day, although you can get it on the internet, because one copy (34:26) survived. Okay, that tells you a little bit about the cults and satanic cults and preschools. By the way, Dr. Roland Summitt, psychiatrist at UCLA, has told me that he's also involved in these issues, that he has intelligence information and otherwise, that there are more than 50 preschools around the country where they claim that there's been sexual ritual abuse, and tunnels are located under the schools, more than 50 of them. (35:00) The McMartin family traveled all over the world because they were experts in putting preschools together, organizing them, showing them how to build the schools and so forth. There were more than 5,500 children went through this McMartin school from the time it was built in 1966 until 1983, when this incident was alleged to have taken place. The cults use these two, three, and four-year-old children for several purposes. (35:33) Number one, they use them for pornography, pornographic films, there's a lot of money, ten billion dollars a year, pornographic business in this country. They use them in their initiation, they consider them initiated into the cult, even though their parents don't know about it, and they use them as part of their ceremonies, in other words, they need children in certain ceremonies. Now I've been asked, I've been told, well now don't tell me the kids, if they witnessed (36:04) a human sacrifice or the sacrifice of a baby, that they wouldn't go home and tell their parents about it. But I'll tell you what a little girl in the McMartin case told me, and she, actually she told her mother and her mother told me. She told her mother that she witnessed these sacrifices, and that on one occasion after her mother dropped her off in the morning and before the mother picked her up at night, (36:31) she was taken to her bedroom, back to her home, they went into the house, they sexually molested her in the home, in the bedroom, they left a little token there, they took her little baby kitten, took the kitten into the school, and had a ceremony of sacrifice the kitten in front of her. Then they told the little girl, they said, if you talk to your mother or your father, we're going to do this to your mother, your father, and your little brother. (36:57) Now don't tell me that a kid's going to talk under those conditions, they're petrified. They also talked about men coming in and sexually molesting them, dressed in police uniforms, dressed as Santa Claus, and so forth. I'm sorry to say that the Bureau has changed, there's no question about it. The FBI today, in 1996, is being used by the politicians to further their gains and their goals. So, there are a few things that have happened to me, some major matters that have happened (37:30) to me since my retirement. Most recently, I was giving a lecture in Las Vegas, and I sat at the head table next to a gentleman, and this gentleman in his day had been in Naval Intelligence, and he was telling me that on December the 4th, 1941, three days before Pearl Harbor, he was in the communications room in Washington, D.C., a Naval Intelligence officer, and we received, the U.S. (38:00) government received a communication, an intercept of Japanese message that had been sent, and we had broken the Japanese code, and this message stated that we were going to bomb Pearl Harbor on December the 7th. He was very elated to have received this, he passed it up to his superior, his superior passed it on. After the war was over, he came back to Washington, D.C., and was told he was going to have to testify. They had a congressional hearing on this. He was given a subpoena. His boss called him in and said, even though you have a subpoena, you're not going to testify, (38:37) and he said, well, I don't understand this. He says, look, you don't understand. The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism He told me that in the spring of 1973, we had bombed all of the North Vietnamese supply lines. We had mined their harbors. (39:08) They were cut off and one of his associates was in the communication room in Saigon and this is, of course, a classified job, and when he was in this room he received this message from the North Vietnamese, we surrender unconditionally. He passed it on to his superiors and all army personnel were immediately ushered out and replaced by state department personnel. It was shortly thereafter that Kissinger met with the North Vietnamese officials in Paris, France. Why do these things happen? Why did we not take advantage of the advance notice of Pearl Harbor? And why is it necessary for us to be a subservient to North Vietnam when we obviously have won? I think at the end of this lecture you may have the answer. In fact, I'm sure you'll have the answer. I think you'll understand much better than you do and have in recent years. (40:15) And you see, my husband is frightened to death. I believe that his brother was murdered to keep him in because he had gone through four years of this mine control and the man who did it, you can see this on the video, his name was Charles Caddock and another man named Alexander Robinson. Okay, Charles Caddock. Caddock. And the other one? Alexander Robinson. Alexander Robinson was a Marine, very well connected Presbyterian family, whose family member was the influential one who brought over the Saudis. (41:00) The original Saudi head of Saudi Arabia was very, George told me all this about Mohammed Faisal, Khalid Faisal, and Saud Faisal. And there were something like 32 brothers of the then, in the mid-50s, the ordained, you know, whoever was head of Saudi Arabia. It was actually the United States who chose that person because the United States, through Charles Caddock and that group, murdered the good one, the one who was, whom everybody liked, who was well educated, and who was normal. (41:49) In, I believe it was 1952, 1953, 1954, in Paris, the universal Saudi, the well educated Saudi, was poisoned. And what was his name? Charles Caddock. I don't suppose it's all that important, but anyway. I'm trying to remember. I think it was Fahim, or I, he died in Paris. And so his brother, his half brother or whatever, who was the father of all these 32 boys, and the three oldest now, were snuck into the United States. (42:33) I have a degree in history, Virginia history, undergraduate degree, and masters in Scottish history, and being a southerner, we always look at, you know, past is prologue. And I jumped into the Saudi Arabian books to try and find out something about the Hun School, which is in Princeton, started by a physicist connected with Einstein in that group. So I was looking for the Hun School because I knew they went there. (43:10) And they're in all the brochures. They're very proud to say, you know, we have the Saudi royals went here. President Cheeseborough brags about going over there and being wined and dined, and you know. So I only found one reference, but it was a reference that said something like they went to a prep school in the United States, that's all they said. Well, it was the Hun School, and my husband was one of the playmates. (43:42) Charles Caddock was the bodyguard, quote unquote, teacher for these guys. So they would go out and play in the woods, and they were doing homosexual things with them, you know. I mean, they were, there was a lot of money, they bought a big house, and so. Okay, now, I was momentarily distracted. Okay. Explain to me a little bit about this, the homosexual event here. Well, George, for the first three years of our marriage, was drinking entirely too much. (44:23) And he was trying to let me know about his world, and I'm not judging him. He's a bisexual, I believe. Okay, and he needed help. He needed help, he needed love. He still does. He still does. He really needs help, and the handlers knew that I was changing him. I was taking him away from this crazy cult that he'd been in all these years. And, I mean, we were going to church. He even walked down the aisle one time when Tony Evans preached at Scope. (45:04) I mean, he was overwhelmed. At Scope? At Scope in Norfolk, it's a big auditorium. Okay. And so, but he was a little boy when he was, it's mind control. MK Ultra, somebody said. They had a group of men, psychiatrists in New Jersey. I don't know where this place was, but they would go. And even his roommates in Princeton told me about it. George never, intentionally, he never introduced me to any of his friends. (45:48) So I had to cold call all these people. I got their names and addresses, telephone numbers. I called all these roommates at the Hun School and at Princeton. They told me things about George and, you know, holding hands with Caddock and other people about being a cheerleader and going off and so forth. A cheerleader, this is kind of a trade name, right? He was a cheerleader for the... At Princeton. At Princeton. (46:21) And he traveled with the football team. Okay. And here is a guy like that. They put him in the Marine Corps. I don't think that was very nice. Do you know what I'm saying? It was hard for him. But it was part of the long-term vision. Absolutely. They wanted him long-term, and it's because of the Saudis. This is what I believe and what his roommate believes. He had a roommate at Princeton who was also at the Hun who's a dear, dear, wonderful. (47:01) His mother is an Anglican. His father was a Jewish doctor from Brooklyn. And Jack is a dear, and we talked to each other a lot on the phone. George sort of dismissed him because George was getting in with another crowd. George got into Cap and Gown, which is the same kind of fraternity. I mean, it's an eating club at Princeton for intelligence officers. It's Cap and Gown. Was there anybody involved that wasn't intelligence-oriented? (47:37) Football players and so forth. But I have a feeling that Cap and Gown has a lot of intelligence officers and boys who may have been raped. Of course, they never talk about it. But I know that the initiation is they get very drunk, and even in the Marine Corps they do that. They're signing in. They have the shellback ceremony. They do a lot of homosexual enticement. The boys are, when they come in, when they're new recruits, (48:16) they strip them nude. They violate their personal privacy. The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the каче And I know a lot about the, see I never, I never put, I never thought about group sex. (49:35) This is so awful for me to contemplate that these orgies are going on all over the Mediterranean. That the captains, lieutenants, the men who rise to the top are the ones who are picked to play the games, the pool parties, the nude pool parties. And they have secretaries who come in, I've talked to three guys, and of course my husband, who went to these parties. But what they do is, and this is General Al Gray, who was the main prime mover. (50:11) They would go to a place like Esle-Rosé, where Charles Caddock, this teacher who inducted, got my husband into it. He retired in one of these all-male party houses on the Mediterranean. I mean that's where he, and my husband kept up with him all through the years. But these sex parties and orgies, they're all homosexual in nature, or is there some heterosexual? Well they start off, they start off with the wild secretaries. (50:41) It's kind of, you know, my husband did those in Indonesia. He did them in a place in Northern Virginia with his first wife. I did not know any of this. I knew absolutely none of this when I married him. He told me he was loyal to his wife, he wanted me to think he was just apple pie, because I'm just a one-man woman. When I took that oath to marry him, love, honor, and obey, that's me. But he, when he was married to his first wife, was just an addict. (51:22) He was a sexual addict, an alcoholic addict. He loves, you know, terror, and his whole little soul was just being sucked away from him, desperately. And he really, he needs Christ. He needed me day in and day out. He did not need to be, what he's doing now is running more of these operations. You know, as you describe this, I can't help but think of Bill Clinton. Well, of course he was, he was one of those profile boys. (51:58) But the difference between Bill Clinton, and I'm not saying Bill Clinton's better, but Bill Clinton did not go, he didn't know anything about the assassinations. Bill Clinton, when I was living with Sarah McClendon, the senior White House correspondent who saved my life, because she said, Mrs. Griggs, you get up here to Washington right now, or you're dead. You're going to be dead. And I still feel as though I probably will be. (52:30) I'll certainly be financially ruined. They are still doing psychological operations in my home, sabotaging my car, messing with my telephone, my radio. You cannot believe what I've been through in the last two years. It is, it is horrible. And it's being done to other women and other wives and other men who don't go along with the program. They are murdering Marines, they're murdering sailors. These are the tactics that they use. (53:12) They criticize the government, at least some of the people that they pull out of the woodwork, in order that they will be accepted in patriot circles. And then these people criticize people like me. They think they can be accepted, and it discredits me. Now, is this COINTELPRO program, and this disinformation program on the Internet, has it affected my life? You bet it has. Because I'm not being invited to these big conferences anymore where I could give a lecture in front of three, four, five hundred people. (53:49) This is exactly what the rogue, covert, criminal government enterprise wants. That's why they do it. So, what's the reward for me? Now, I'm going to tell you what's happened to me in the last thirty years. And I'm not telling you this because I'm looking for pity, or I'm looking for sympathy, or anything. These are facts. Anyway, what's happened to me, I've had three contracts on my life. I've had two other probable contracts. (54:25) And I will give you just a little detail about the contracts that were put on me, so that you will understand it's not just talk right off the top of my head. I might mention that in two of these instances, through divine intervention, I did not go home. I lived in 500 South Kelton in Westwood. This was in the 1980s, or mid-1980s. And I had a door, I lived in a triplex, and my door opened up onto the street. (55:00) The landlady who lived behind me on the second floor came home one morning, 1.30 in the morning. And here's two guys sitting across from my front door in a car. And one of them gets out and walks over to her. Do you know where Ted Gunterson lives? And I told her, if anybody ever asks about me, you don't know me. And of course, she said no. She didn't know. Well, she told me that the next day. And I made some phone calls, and I learned that there was a contract on me. (55:32) And fortunately, I do have some good sources, and it's kept me alive. But what really has kept me alive is on that particular night, I didn't go home. I stayed at a friend's house at the last minute. So I say, through divine intervention, that I didn't go home on that particular night. So one of my contacts says, I used to work with, and he gave me his name, who is known as the Cocaine King of the West Coast. (56:06) Let me go talk to him. Let's go talk to him. So there were one, two, three, four of us, and we went to talk to the, quote, Cocaine King of the West Coast. And we go in. A fellow comes to the door, lets us in. We had an appointment. It was on a Monday. He escorts us into the parlor, and then he takes us from the parlor into another room. And we sit down, and a little dog comes in, about this big, and smelled all of us, and sat down at my feet, and went to sleep. (56:48) And the, quote, Cocaine King of the West Coast comes in, looks at the four of us. My dog likes you. I like you. And I'm saying, I'm sure happy about that. To myself, of course. So the Cocaine of the West Coast tells the other three to scat out of the room, and sits down with me, and he says, how many children do you have? Well, I know what the message meant. You know, if you screw up, your kids' lives are in danger. (57:21) And I told him, and he pulls this artist's conception out. He had a copy of the artist's conception. And he said, who gave this to you? If you're going to do harm to him, I'm not going to tell you. I'll take the heat myself. And he was kind of miffed about that. He said, I didn't say I was going to do anything to him. I said, okay, promise you won't, and I'll tell you. So I told him this story about the accountant, and so on and so forth. (57:43) And he said, okay. He said, let me make a phone call. I'll be right back. So he left the room, and he came back. He says, you're right. You got hit on you. I can take care of one of them. I can't take care of the other one. I said, well, I got two hits on me.

The Kay Griggs Interviews, 1988, Part 4/8 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped) This series of interviews is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure that's public into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about this interview although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary Divine Intervention and Threats (00:00-01:44): The speaker recounts a week spent in a hotel due to threats on their life, emphasizing the role of divine intervention and the involvement of acquaintances who helped mitigate the dangers. New World Order and Personal Safety Incidents (01:44-04:24): The speaker describes various harrowing incidents including having hits put out on them, experiences with burglary, and intimidation, suggesting a wider conspiracy tied to the New World Order. Surveillance and Sabotage (05:01-10:39): The speaker shares detailed accounts of being surveilled, having mail intercepted, and their home being broken into multiple times, illustrating a pattern of harassment and attempts to sabotage their life. Government Conspiracy Theories (12:52-15:34): The conversation shifts to the speaker's beliefs about U.S. intelligence agencies, including the NSA and FBI, conducting surveillance on citizens and the existence of secret programs leading to the covert targeting of individuals. Military and Political Connections (23:35-40:35): The speaker discusses their husband's connections to high-ranking military officials and illegal activities, highlighting a network of power and corruption within the military and government. Summary of Context (28:05-29:11): The speaker's narrative combines personal experience with broader allegations of corruption, conspiracy, and a culture of fear and intimidation connected to government and military operations. Sexual Perversion in the Military (55:31-57:37): Toward the end, the conversation touches on alleged sexual practices among military officials, including secretive and coercive sexual rituals, suggesting a hidden culture within the ranks initiated through fraternity-like activities. Transcript: (00:00) Yeah. So I said, well, take care of the one and I'll see what I can do about the other one. And so he left and came back again. He said, okay, I made a phone call. Don't go home or to your office until Friday. This was Monday. So I lived in a hotel room that whole week with a gun under my pillow. And I didn't move. I paid cash for the room. That was before you had to finish identification. (00:29) And it's kind of interesting because every time somebody walked down the hall in the middle of the night, I would wake up. And it was after that that I, by the way, that it was taken off. Thanks to him. He called me later and asked me to do a favor about six months later. And I won't need to go into that. But the point of this story is divine intervention. I didn't go home that night. A friend of mine said, stay with me this night and we'll go from there. And so anyway, I ended up driving to, I had some friends drive me to Dallas. (01:05) I remember I slept in the back seat of the car for like 21 hours. That's how long it took to drive to Dallas because I hadn't had any sleep in a week. And then while I was over there, I'm saying to myself, I got to get rid of this other hit. This is all new world order stuff. This is all Illuminati. Okay. They put hits out on people all the time. Don't bat an eye. So I'm over there and I get a call from a fellow in Los Angeles. Come over. I want to talk to you. (01:44) And this particular person had some pretty good contacts because he knew about my situation. He knew I had two hits put on me at the same time. And long story short, this particular person was able to take the second hit off of me. That was just one. Another occasion, 1986, I said to myself, you know, I've had enough cops and robbers in my life. I'm getting out and I'm going to go in business for myself. (02:13) Divine intervention again. The good Lord wasn't going to let me get out of this work that I'm doing. And I invested every dime I had and I lost it all. And so I had to go back in the private investigation work. Didn't have to because I had a pretty good retirement check. So this fellow, I was living with my business partner and his wife and kid. My business partner went overseas, went to Argentina, I think it was. (02:43) And I was, he was gone for a while. And then my daughter had a road trip and I housed that for her. And on that particular night, an individual, and I found out later his name was Bill Menser, known as Charles Manson II, came into the house about 11 o'clock. She was on the third floor. It was a tri-level level and heard him coming in. And the dog went bananas. She closed the door, went to the telephone to make a phone call. (03:14) Didn't work because the phone down in the kitchen had been taken off the hook. And she sat there and waited it out, got her gun out. He didn't come upstairs. Again, I made some phone calls and I didn't go home that night because when my daughter came back from her road trip, I was staying at her house and we decided to watch a movie at the last minute. So divine intervention. Absolutely no question about it. And the other two probables are, I don't need to go into them, but there was a fellow who was (03:50) hanging around my P.O. box for quite a while and I'd have to send somebody else in to pick up my mail. This is all, this is all New World Order, as I said a few moments ago. This is all what they do. They kill people. And Kucinich, not Kucinich, but I forget the congressman, huh? No, there's a congressman from Ohio. I think it's Kucinich. Yeah, he has asked for an inquiry into the CIA hit teams that are operating in this country today. (04:24) Okay, he's asked for an inquiry, but nobody's paying attention to him. That's just one. I had I can't tell you how many illegal burglaries, illegal entries I've had into my home. It's like Grand Central Station. They're in and out of there and it's unbelievable. I took a trip when I was in Nebraska. I was gone for about three weeks. I came back and I had my research, 500 boxes of research over a period of years, stored in the third bedroom. (05:01) They helped themselves to 200 boxes of my research. Okay, they're in and out of my car on a regular basis. I can, right here in L.A., I parked down, I remember parking down downtown and I came back and they turn, they do this all the time, turn the direction signal on. I guess I start, I start the car, the direction signal's on. I had my car stolen twice. I had my brake lines cut. I had two windows shot out when I was standing nearby. (05:32) They were intimidating me. They weren't real bullets, fortunately. They were air bullets and that's what they're trying to do, they're trying to intimidate me. I've been poisoned in Las Vegas. I was poisoned and what they did there, they had, the only way they could have poisoned me is they had a condominium next to me and they were pumping poison in through the air ducts. (05:56) I had my, let's see, my right front tire come off between, I was driving between Omaha and Lincoln, 60 miles, 75 miles an hour, the right front tire came off. Highway patrol came, looked at it, it was Johnny Camp's pickup truck, by the way. I had gone from Lincoln to Omaha to talk to a source and the only way they would know that was by tapping John's telephones and I found out, the highway patrolman looked at it, he says, hey, your lug nuts have been loosened and they tried to loosen the lug nuts on the left front tire but somebody must have interrupted them because (06:39) they weren't successful there. They wanted both tires to come off at the same time. My mail has been opened, diverted, and intercepted. My phone was cut off once and I called the phone company, I said, hey, you discontinued my phone, why? They said, well, we sent you a bill, you didn't pay it. I said, where'd you send it? They sent it to a fictitious address in Florida, never heard of it. (07:02) I've had mail disappear, people writing, written to me and I've never received it. Surveillances are almost a daily occurrence and what I do is I do U-turns on them and get around behind them and chase them and they try to intimidate me. Look, I've been, I was in a gun battle in Memphis, Tennessee at the airport. If they're going to intimidate me, they're not going to intimidate me. I'm not afraid of them. I've dealt with terrorists when I was in the FBI and I have a, I remember when they, back in about 90 or 91, they put a dirt bag out, (07:48) just parked across the street, maybe four or five cars up, and I would see them there and I'd put on my gun, go out and get in my car, drive by at three miles an hour, stare them down, do a U-turn, three miles an hour, stare them down, then I'd park in behind them and they couldn't get out of there fast enough. One of them ran a red light and I chased another one and cornered him on, on the street, blocked him and I reached under my front seat like I was going for a piece (08:18) and his eyes got big as saucers and I was on a street with him, went up the hill and down, it was one way, I went up and down and parked at the bottom of the hill and then he started coming up and I was watching the rear view mirror, I could see the top of the car and when he saw me he stopped and backed up the wrong way in a one-way street. By the way, I've got some pretty good license numbers, a lot of license numbers that I'm saving. (08:44) My business has been sabotaged, Virginia McCulloch, I've had telephone taps, I sued GTE back in the 80s, got an out-of-court settlement, I've had threatening phone calls, I came back from a trip once and I got up in the morning, I was looking for a file on a desk and I had a phone call, 827, the voice said, male voice said, did you find your file? Click. They had a hidden camera in my house, I was gassed on the free, attempted gassed on the freeway, they gassed my (09:23) webmaster, Clarence Malcolm, I've interrupted two attempts to steal my car, I've had flat tires, in one instance I had three nails in the same tire, that's a little more than a coincidence I think, I've had my gun stolen, I had four guns stolen out of my house in Nebraska, I sleep with a gun under my pillow, I have third combat magnum and one day, this is a couple years ago, I check it regularly, I checked it and somebody had come in and taken the bullets out of it. (10:00) So, if they came in on me, I was going to have to throw the gun at them, I guess. Cameras, they've taken pictures of me. I've been, my webmaster was hit with uranium-235. I know for a fact I've had a trash cover on me. My computer has been sabotaged. I've been expelled from the ex-agent society. I've had, I've talked about my plans, the disinformation program, McCulloch, Horowitz, and so forth. Those are just the life of a person who dares to take them on. (10:40) Also, I might mention that in the early 1980s, I had four investigations on me, I know, because I applied through the Freedom of Information Act. And one of the reports came, and they sent me back. It wasn't anything significant, a couple of pages on the report. And they said, in the interest of, quote, national security, we can't give you the full file. But it's kind of interesting, because one of the reports at the end said that they consider me armed and dangerous. (11:07) Okay, well I am armed and dangerous, with knowledge, right? Thanks. Thank you, sir. Pam Fawcett, they put a girl on me, Pam Fawcett. The EA and the FBI. I dealt with her on the phone for six months, she was in Modesto. Tried to set me up on a drug deal. And she called me one day and said, I need to talk to you. She came down, I met her at the time, I think it was Hughes Market or Ralph's Market, across from this place on Ventura Boulevard, the Sportsman's Lodge. (11:45) And she told me the whole story, about how they had tried to set me up through her and drugs through her. And I said, Pam, why are you coming over to my side now? I had the names of the FBI agent and the EA agents who dealt with her. She said, and I was trying to help her on the phone, I tried to help her with her 14-year-old kid, he got in trouble down in Florida. And she said, I woke up the other morning, and I realized you're the only honest son of a bitch I've talked to in six months. (12:14) Those were her exact words. Pam took a polygraph, passed it, and last time I talked to her, she said there was a hit on her. Oh, here's Kucinich, Dennis Kucinich, that was it. This is in American Free Press, April the 6th, 2009. Dennis calls for probe of U.S. hit team. So, what do we have? Well, we have the NSA and the FBI teamed up with AT&T and Verizon to spy on U.S. citizens. This is all documented. President Bush reauthorized a secret program more than 30 times to spy on Americans since September 11th, 2001. (12:52) U.S. government and NSA has tapped its entire Internet system. FBI can hear everything you say even when cell phones are off. The code word for this program is Quantico. All pay phones at Grand Central Station in New York are tapped. The Bush administration began spying on Americans seven months prior to 9-1-1. President authorized our intelligence agencies to database every citizen in the U.S. seven months prior to September 11th. (13:22) Project Endgame, the rounding up of 775,000 Americans by the shadow government, began on February 24th, 2009. Two of my very closest friends, very frankly, have disappeared. I don't know what's happened to them. We have thousands of guillotines that were shipped in here from Japan and Atlanta, Georgia. We have 500,000 caskets that hold 40 bodies in each casket. We have 1,000 internment camps around the country. (13:58) We have censors on the major highways every quarter of a mile. I talked to one of the installers. He's right here in California. Censors. Keep track of your car. Censors, yeah. Did I pronounce it right or wrong? I was right? Okay. I went to school in Nebraska, so I have an excuse sometimes. We have the Patriot Act. I don't tell you about the Patriot Act. I'm sure you're aware of that. Okay. The Constitution violations and the amendments that they've done away with through the Patriot Act are... (14:44) Got them here someplace. All of them. Probably all of them. Yeah, here they are. Sixth Amendment, right to a speedy trial. Eighth Amendment, no cruel and unusual punishment. Thirteenth Amendment, punishment without conviction. It took 262 Republicans and 77 Democrats to kill the Bill of Rights. This is all part, as I said earlier, of the terrorist movement. I told you about the guillotines, the caskets. We have U.S. troops in the United States, Holloman Air Force Base, Air Force, German Air Force. (15:34) A girl, a lady came up to me back in the 90s and said that she was from New Mexico. She deliberately dated a German airman from Holloman to find out what they were doing here. He said, when the revolution starts, we're going to strafe the cities. Beatrice, Nebraska, where I lived for a short period. A town of 12,500. They have an air, on the base there, they have an airport. The airport is more, the runway is more than a mile long. (16:09) There's no commercial airplanes come in there. It's all private. They are expanding the length of the airport. Why? So bigger planes can land there, I guess. There's no commercial planes coming in, over a mile long now. The chemtrails, one of my sources told me, that the planes in the north, midwest, chemtrails are out of the Air National Guard, Lincoln, Nebraska. I made a trip to the airport and I found four giant airplanes with no markings on them on the runway at the Air National Guard. (16:53) Another informant told me Fort Sill, Oklahoma, is what they're using in the southwest United States. Okay, that kind of gives you, I think I laid the foundation pretty well, didn't I? That just tells you what they're after. I'm not the only victim. There's thousands of Americans out there. By the way, I've been shot with a laser beam twice in my back. Fortunately, they're not very good aims. My webmaster, Clarence Malcolm, has been shot also. (17:26) Of course, one of the best ways for you to stay alive is to do what you're doing. Really? Oh, absolutely. Reduce this to video. Get this scattered all over the country. They won't touch you because if you're dead, that validates everything you're saying. Will they poison people? Publicity is the best thing you can do. One of the things that was happening to me after, oh, I must tell you about General Joy. I found his name all through the diary. (17:57) And what was really strange was that George had mentioned him earlier, early on in the marriage, but then after a certain incident at Camp Lejeune, which I think is very interesting relating to tailhook and something that I did there. I'll tell you about that if I can remember. I called. It took a lot for me to get General Joy's phone number because the Marine colonels were not going to tell me because they knew I was investigating. (18:32) So nobody would tell me about General Joy. So I called a person in George's address book who was a general, pretending that I was updating my Christmas card list, and I just wanted to find Jim Joy's telephone number. He said, oh, he's up there. He's running Morale Welfare Recreation for the world, a payoff job with the mob, and he's living outside of Quantico, and here's his phone number. So I call him up. (19:07) And keep in mind, my husband is infamous, Princeton graduate, chief of staff for Al Gray, who runs all the dirty tricks for the Army. Linda Tripp worked for Carl Steiner, who was a partner of Jim Joy, and Carl Steiner and my husband were the triumvirate in Beirut. Linda Tripp worked for Carl Steiner down there. This would be approximately? I think in the 80s. She and her husband were both Delta Force duos. (19:45) They sent them, but then they divorced, so that broke up that. But she's a dirty tricks person, Linda. Anyway, so I call General Joy, and I say, General Joy, this is Kay Griggs. And I'm George Griggs' wife, you know, Chief of Staff under Al Bray, Head of Half the World, Dirty Tricks, Special Operations, Wet Ops. And he goes, No, I don't believe I know your husband. Exactly his words. And I'm taping it, by the way, because they took my tape. (20:18) They started coming in and doing, putting sticky stuff and running my, you know, just mind, mind-jagging me. Putting sticky stuff? On the tapes. And they would put the tapes on different, you know, they would go to a lot of trouble. They would take things that I said on one tape and put it on another. And I mean, it was, they were having fun with me psychologically. But I taped this conversation with General Joy. And I said, Well, that's really strange, General Joy, that you don't know my husband, because (20:57) I'm sitting here on my bed, and I'm looking at my husband's diary that he kept the whole time he was in Beirut. And you're in there almost on every page, you know, you're in there a lot. And you're going over to Cyprus and Rome, and you're, you know, getting money for weapons, and, you know, and then they're going to Tel Aviv, and they're doing this and that. And, and, you know, I said, You mean, you don't know my husband, George Griggs, (21:29) and you're a Marine, and he's a Colonel? He went, Oh, that George Griggs. Because he knew I had the diary. I see. Then he said, Oh, Miss Griggs, let me call you back. Let me call you back. So he had to confer with General Sheehan, General Joy, General Gaiman, General Hartsog, and his little cabal, particularly General Gray and General Krulak. So he called me back, and he was just like a little puppy dog. (22:10) He said, Oh, Miss Griggs, I'm going to be in Norfolk on the, let's see, the night of the 5th, 6th, and 7th. I'll be at a Morale Welfare Recreation meeting at the Marriott Hotel, and I would like to meet with you when I get there. You know, I'll be getting in around 5 o'clock, and I could meet, take, we could go to dinner, or you could come and have breakfast the next morning. We could eat, you know, blah, blah, blah. Or 11 o'clock, you know, now I have to speak at this luncheon engagement. (22:44) You're welcome to come to that, or we can meet at, he went through every hour of the whole time. He could not have been more insistent about meeting me if he, if he'd been my father, you know, my birthday or something. And, um, so. So you did meet? I did, but I wasn't, I was afraid of him, because I knew he was an assassin. General Joy. General Jim Joy, the one who got Noriega out of Panama. He and Sheehan, the one who was behind the whole operation in Panama. This is a powerful guy. (23:35) He and Carl Steiner, Mutt and Jeff, Waco, they trained all the guys in Waco who went and did what they did to David Koresh. They're the ones behind all the black helicopters, and Sheehan, they're the ones, you know, doing all the stuff down there at Kathy McDaniels, down at, um, you know, in Fort Polk, Fort Hood. Something new on me. Kathy McDonald, Daniels? Kathy McDaniels had a little talk show. She's a wife of, um, the daughter of the mayor down there at Fort Polk. (24:12) Okay. The little town outside of Fort Polk, and there were a lot of unusual things happening, and because she was talking about it, excuse me, they took her, her radio show off the air, and, um, they tried to, it's a long story, but anyway, so General Joy, I got in contact with the NCIS. That's Fort Polk in Louisiana. Yeah, yeah, but I met with the NCIS guy and, um, and a Marine that I just met cold call, because I was kind of worried about what would happen (24:54) to me, um, you know, meeting him. So, may I, may I go to the ladies' room? Certainly may, matter of fact, Steve suggests that we break. I've had to sort of go to the ladies', that's why I've been sort of antsy. Steve suggests we break at five after, and, uh, I think it's a good idea. Let's, let's break in, um, and we'll pick up, right, we're just a little bit of a recap here. (25:17) All right, a little bit about your background, uh, about the psychological profile these guys look for. Um, let's see, we've discussed the, uh, the diary. We've discussed, uh, Kaddok and, uh, Alexander, um, Robinson. Robinson, couldn't read my writing. Thank you. Um, and, uh, I have a picture of Kaddok. Yes, I noted that. We're going to inject that. We'll inject, in fact, we should, we should have a little session here where we just go through pictures at the tail end of this. Pictures, picture, picture, picture, picture. (25:57) Um, we discussed, uh, Tailhook and, uh, uh, Sarah. You know what Tailhook means, don't you? No, what is Tailhook? Uh-oh, I got a feeling. Yeah. Is it a homosexual reference? Yeah, sure. Really? Sure. Did you know that, Steve? Isn't it something? Yeah. The average person on the street has no idea. No. You know, it's like Watergate. Well, the Watergate Hotel, that makes sense. (26:27) And Tailhook probably is some reference to, uh, you know, I honestly thought it was, um, when you refuel a jet or something. It is, it is, but you look, see, the planes look like this, because see, I was told this by, by Jerry Unruh, and Jerry Unruh was a captain when I met him. We were just partying, you know, I had a group of gals, and we were all school friends, and everybody hung around this place called Poppy's in Virginia Beach. It was the place in the, in the mid-80s when I was at the Virginia Center for World Trade. (26:56) Well, he, Jerry was in there, um, he's an intelligence operative with, uh, Scrocoff, Crow, you know, this whole McFarlane, Ed Wilson, who's a really good friend of my husband's, who's a really bad guy. Anyway, they're all doing, some of them are doing this Rush River Lodge thing, you know, which Angleton was doing, where Woodward would go to these big orgy parties, and George went to a few of those. But this, you see, is the, the plane, and it kind of looks like that. Okay. And it refuels. (27:37) See, that's what the hook is for. That's called the tail hook. Yes. Uh-huh. But it has a double meaning. A double entendre, sure. Because it, and I went to the preceding show two weeks ago, and they had the tail hook booth, and I have some stuff, I don't think I have it with me, but tail hook souvenirs, because they are really trying to promote that, you know, the charitable function of that organization. Yes, of course. (28:05) Now, the fact that that cover got blown on those tail hook, uh, things, that was a major snafu, right? Uh, she had to try very hard to get that out. That was at Camp Lejeune? No, it, I think it was, um, in Las Vegas. Okay. But, oh, my thing went on in Camp Lejeune before tail hook, and this is why I got flagged. Oh. Because I stopped all the go-go dancers in the office clubs, and they got very mad with me. Oh. I can tell you that story. It's true. (28:38) Yeah, but why, um, you didn't realize what you're doing at the time? No, I was just incensed, you know, that they would allow topless, um, women, young girls in the officers club dining room while I was trying to eat late one night, and George says, well, you know, you just have to get used to it. If you think this is anything, you ought, you ought to see what goes on in Okinawa. Well, this was, this was, uh, 91, 90. It was before tail hook, and the Lord is always with me. (29:11) Sometimes I don't know where He is, but this particular night, it was about nine o'clock, and I was starving, and I was really mad because His reaction wasn't, um, I'm sorry, this, you know, this is offensive. Do you want to go in town to eat or something? He didn't do that. He attacked me. It was a chance to educate me the way they were educated. I see. Get used to it, bitch. You know, excuse my French, but that's really what He was trying to do. Well, they were all young married officers. (29:47) Now, I worked at the chamber, and this is taxpayer money. This looks bad. They had, you know, wedding bands. And one of the guys, two of the guys, goes out with one of the girls. So I'm going, after having said, Don't you see anything wrong with this picture? And getting no background, I thought, Oh boy, I've got a camera in my pocketbook. I am going to see Marty and Oogie, my old roommate from St. Mary's, little Episcopal Junior College in Raleigh, North Carolina. (30:24) And I said, Whoa! Little Lucille Ball comes out, and I just kind of grab that little camera with the flash, and I get me three little flashes of scattering people. Just because the camera is going off. Yes. So that said to me, it proved to him, God, truth is light, light is truth. You know, hey, this isn't. I mean, God proved it. I didn't do it. I didn't argue. I just took pictures. They scattered. Then what happened? (30:57) What happened to the pictures? Well, he, I, he tried to grab my camera. He? My husband. Right. But there were still some men in there, you see, and two of the girls. And they were looking at me like, You are, the girls were probably thinking, Oh, you know, but the guys, they saw older colonel, chief of staff here, wife. It was bad from the perspective of me being a wife witnessing this being ordered to, to shut up. (31:30) So I took the camera when he wanted to grab it from me. And I went like this. I mean, it was real battle time, major. My brother was a championship wrestler, you know, and I don't know anything about holes, but I knew this was self-preservation time. And I just said, well, I'm going to the ladies' room, ha. So I went to the ladies' room and I hid the darn thing. And he wanted to know where it was. We had a major battle. (31:59) But the end thing that happened was I wrote a nice letter, found out the name of the manager of the club, because I knew protocol. I knew you can't go and just really mess everybody up. And I sent a letter saying, Is this normal to have it to the club manager? But I sent copies of the pictures and the letter to the wife of the general commander of the base and the wife of the commandant. Oh, man. You wanted to get in trouble. (32:33) With the pictures. Uh-huh. No, I mean, I was... Oh, you thought you were going to... Helping the wives. Yeah. The wives, at this point, no doubt, are privy to all this stuff, right? Yeah. See, I thought, in the real world, this is what you do. Uh-huh. But what happened was I went home, and the wives were meeting there, and I told them what I had done, and Carol and Millis said, Oh, no, you didn't do that, did you? (33:02) George won't get promoted. You know, he was trying to make general. Uh-huh. But Louis Buell had already died. He wouldn't have made general anyway because of Sue. I already found out about that. But I didn't know that at the time. Uh-huh. But Charlotte Moore, whose family are better educated, and she's kind of the leader of the pack because she's more rational than the rest of the wives, she said, Kay, thank you very much. (33:33) We appreciate what you did for us. And then all the rest of them kind of, you know, they're like little puppets too. But then I found out from Brooks West that I was flagged, that General Gray had me marked as a troublemaker. Gotcha. So after that, no more stories while he's drinking. You know, it was a very, he was having to balance them and me. You know, he was, I think he was challenged by me because, you know, he knew that I was a free spirit. (34:19) He didn't understand Christ. He didn't understand what my boundaries are. But he, because he was a little bit intimidated by my sense of freedom and my, you know, openness, which comes from a complete understanding of where Christ is in my life. You know, and I do, I follow in his footsteps. But I'm a free spirit because I'm created independently, as we all are. And he never had, my husband never had that ability to be free (34:54) from the time he was a teenager. Because early on he was made captive to these other matters, homosexual counters and the shame that that brings and the control. So he was a bent twig early on. Yeah. And he had, the Saudis were beginning to pile into Russell House at the Hun School in Princeton, which is the school that my husband was in for four years on scholarship. He never saw his parents in eight years. (35:30) Now think about this, his parents were shipped to California, I believe, strategically so that they could control his mind. Okay. He was too poor to fly out there. I think he did go one time when he was ROTC on a flight that took him forever and a day to get out there. But he had an uncle later on who bought a house in Princeton when he was in college, so he had a little bit of nurturing. And this uncle became his father. (36:11) Okay. And this uncle's two sons and the next-door neighbor, the next-door neighbor became his wife. He knew he had to marry because of what he had gone through, and it was, I think, so shameful and so hard on him that he married right at graduation day practically from Princeton University, where he had four years in ROTC. And he was in the Cap and Gown Club, which, as I mentioned before, is an intelligent sort of football kind of scholarship club. (36:58) But what's interesting is my uncle, who was an intelligence, Ben Delaney, went through exactly the same hoops. I was thinking, you know, when I met my husband, this is, and it probably was God in many ways, but I thought, isn't it amazing that Uncle Ben, who was the football quarterback star for Princeton, the one year they won the whole national thing, he was, he went to the Hun School. His father and mother were both killed or something happened to them, (37:35) and I think they were a fairly well-to-do, prominent family. He was handsome, wonderful, just a neat man. So he went on scholarship to the Hun. And then, and he went and was crew and all these other things. He was in Cap and Gown. He was, he played on the football team. He wasn't a cheerleader. My husband was a cheerleader. But they were in exactly the same pattern, ROTC scholarship. They went, left ROTC. They were dependent on the government, on the intelligence community, (38:19) you know, selling weapons to whatever country. I know the country, but in other words, they were doing work for the joint under the table all these years. Okay, and directly under whose instructions to sell these weapons? Do you know that? Yeah. Okay, who would that be? Well, it's the Israeli Zionist group in New York. Mossad? Well, yeah, but everybody thinks Mossad like they think. CIA is just a bogus sort of thing. (38:59) It's really Army intelligence that does just about everything. They run a lot of the psychological profiling, which is done at Quantico with the FBI. It's all a very small group, Harvard professors connected with, you know, the Tavistock and Dar Es Salaam, and there's a sexual perversion group in Vienna and one in Colorado. I think that little girl was part of that experiment, you know, who was part of it. (39:34) The John Bonnet-Ramsey? Yeah, yeah, because I had some. Well, you know, that raises an interesting point because here's a high-profile murder that goes nowhere. No investigation. Nobody's pinned. It just goes on and on and on. The parents are involved in that program. But somebody higher up is protecting them. Absolutely. And the same thing that you're describing about the military. Sure. If you're in the clique, you can get away with murder. (39:59) Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Murder, literally murder. And I had a group of visitors. I used to be set up by the State Department, my husband, who had power in the State Department, through both Casper Weinberger and, well, his whole crowd. I mean, Casper Weinberger, George Bush, Colby, Casey. My husband was in that clique. He was in the Princeton Marine Corps clique. Rob, Warner, you know, they're all Marines. Pat Robertson, all 4th Marines. (40:35) I mean, they're all involved in this. They know, they're running everything. Well, you mentioned Pat Robertson. You're talking about the 700 Club, Pat Robertson. Yeah, there's a power thing there. And it's all male, it's all white, and they do, they know the murders are going on. They're surgical, they're strategic, they're political. But what I was going to tell you is, I was used because I was the most gullible in high school. (41:11) And I'm very, very spiritual. And I love people. So, and I was driven to meet all these people from all over the world for some reason. So, they would feed me people because they knew I would react. It's kind of like Monica and Bill. I think they put Monica in there to have something on Bill. That's my own feeling. Sarah MacLennan feels the same way because... And Linda Tripp was there to guide the situation. (41:46) Absolutely. Of course, Linda Tripp was Delta Force. Linda Tripp was trained by Carl Steiner, who's in the diary with my husband. Carl Steiner is called a snake, and he tried to trip up a Schwarzkopf. I mean, he was trying to take the whole Iraqi thing over because they had been baiting, you know, using their, the Israeli rogues in Turkey. They were having little zigzag wars. It's all to sell weapons. It's all, it's all about weapon sales. It's all about drugs. It's all about funny money. (42:23) Making money. Of course. And the head, Krulak, who is the commandant of the Marine Corps, his father, Victor Krulak, worked with this Russian Czechoslovakian double agent who was, worked with Al Gray, who was enlisted at that time. Rose right up to the top because they were involved with Butcher and this whole crowd that was trying to pick fights. And, and they were not, they were Army and Navy together, joint. (43:04) And George kept saying, George calls them the members of the firm. He calls them the members of the firm. I've heard the Brotherhood. They're very close and it's a small group and it's very hierarchical. I had Casper Weinberger's bodyguard farm me when I was at Sarah McLendon's. Now, farm you. Yeah, that's a term that, that they use. Where they cultivate. They cultivate, well not cultivate, but just want to find out kind of, they're doing profiling on me. Women are hard to profile because we're, we're very easy. (43:41) We, we're very easy if you understand women. And I think they need more women in human intelligence because we'd solve a lot of these problems like overpopulation or whatever it is very quickly. Because we, we, we're the ones who teach the men how to talk, how to communicate. We think on 20 levels at once. You know, we're very spiritual. We're very practical all at the same time. And they make mistakes by pegging women as crazy when really they're very anxious to solve problems. (44:21) They're just very frustrated to see a lot of wacko things going on that don't need to be going on, but the guys don't see it. So, with, with my husband and so forth, I was used, they profiled me. They knew I loved international people because I'd already demonstrated that. And there was a group of sexual psychologists, psychiatrists from Vienna who came over. I have pictures of them. I was their escort. (44:54) George was already gone and I was intrigued that they were still sending me people. Okay, now you referred to him as sexual psychologist? Yeah, there's a whole, whole range of, of psychiatrists who study perversion, sexual perversion. Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins, and this Colorado group, Dar es Salaam, where they train the African, the black African terrorists. They train them in interrogation. They train the Jags in interrogation methods and so forth. (45:34) And a lot of these guys got their experience in Vietnam. Intentionally, they took these little boys. That's what they're doing in Bosnia right now. They're training future leaders in, in perversion. They have a school, they have, the British have a school that George was working with in Indonesia for a year. My husband was setting up a, there was already a program on East Timor, a little place there in the mountains, that had been set up by the Australians during World War II. (46:15) It was involved, I think, with Burma and, you know, some of the, the killings that were going on in China and so forth. That Parker Host, T. Parker Host, this man who now controls my husband with, with Bob Edwards, T. Parker Host, this is how they got together. T. Parker Host, I knew when I was the assistant director of the Virginia Center for World Trade. I was the first woman on the board of the Foreign Commerce Club. I was very involved politically and I was having a ball. And I met T. (46:55) Parker Host through someone else. I was the chairman of a board of all these international shippers and brokers. I was just a, you know, sort of a glorified secretary, public relations person. Now, T. Parker Host was the Finnish consul and the, at one time he'd been the Norwegian consul, the Icelandic consul. I thought he was a really nice guy because he was outgoing, he seemed Virginian. (47:38) I didn't know that much about him, but it turns out he, he has one shipping agency when I meet him in 85. He knows my husband's profession instantly because he brags about being with the mobs. He, the mob runs the port of Norfolk. The, the, I mean, it's terrible to say, the bankers and then that. Then they have the, this is not, I can't say that. You can't say what? No, it's, the ports are run by, it's a homosexual hierarchy. Okay, it makes sense. That's not an objection. (48:12) Well, okay, and in Norfolk it's Walter Kreisler, Phil Hornthal, you know, they have the rich ones and then they, they get the little ones in by introducing him to the, to the big guys. It's like George met Einstein. Einstein was in that little, little ring that the Saudis were in. It was a very elite. No, you're saying Einstein? Albert Einstein was, was in that little Princeton ring before he died. George, they, they partied together. (48:39) Anyway, so the Norfolk crowd runs the port. It's very organized and so forth, and I knew the person who was running the Maritime Association shipping agency. Very nice man who was that way, but I didn't know it, you know. I went out with him. I like him very much. I mean, he's a very nice person, but I, you know, and I... And completely homosexual. Completely, but, but he liked me and I thought he was wonderful. Many homosexuals are very engaging people. Yeah, he's a very, very nice guy. (49:18) Well, his best friend was T. Parker Host. Park, he lived with him for a while. Well, I didn't think anything about Parker because, you know, he'd been married and had a couple of sons, and I thought, well, you know, this is just a guy who's moved away from Newport News for some reason and settled in Norfolk. I thought it was unusual. He didn't have any friends, you know. I didn't know, and, but it wasn't because of that. It was because Parker had some questionable... (50:00) associations with mob figures, with assassins. He was in the Burma Special Operations Command. He liked living a dangerous life, and he bragged about it to others. My husband and he gravitated to one another, and I thought it was wonderful because my husband didn't seem to have any friends. So, I sort of fixed him up with Parker. Well, Parker's the one who did me in, you know. Parker plotted, and it's a long story, but basically, and this sounds petty, but I wouldn't (50:43) go out with him. And I'm not saying I did anything that was, it's just that he wasn't my type. Mm-hmm. Obviously. You know, well, I mean, not, but he just was, he's boorish, he's loud, he's kind of rude. So, you're saying even just in a social context. Yeah. So, what happened was, because my husband is so close to Bush and McFarlane and Scowcroft and all these guys, Parker starts getting in with my husband's friends and cultivating them, (51:19) and he goes from having one shipping agency to dotted all over the place. He goes from being a Democrat in petty little Virginia politics and being the Icelandic Finnish consul to having big shipping deals going through Iceland and Finland and Norway, and my husband's setting up deals in Moss, Norway, which I was the president of the Sister City Association. I was being used while my husband, while they were setting up, you know, shipment places, (51:50) transshipment places. I mean, I was witnessing all of this, and it all came back to me, just boom, like that. But Parker, it was so interesting. We had a hearing. I had a hearing with my husband. That very day, George Bush was in town. My husband was in town. My home was broken into while I was in court. Very strategically, I was called by a Marine colonel named Jack, who is very involved with the maritime shipping business, and he knew that I know a lot about (52:31) that. He called me and invited me as a guest of his to attend the George Bush huge banquet with John Warner while my house was being robbed. My car was sabotaged that day, and guess who introduced George Bush? T. Parker Host. Now, he made it to the big time. You know, Alexander Haig is another one. You can help yourself to a coffee. Yeah, he's a friend. Alexander Haig, he rose from nothing to top dog just overnight. That's because he's in the club. (53:15) Oh, of course he's in the club. Now, how he's in the club, you see. Now, all these guys. Henry Kissinger, Heinz Kissinger. Oh, I have a story. This, oh, we all suspect Henry's a queer. Oh, yeah, I have a first, I have a firsthand story from Bob, who was there in Cambodia with Heinz. Okay, you call him Heinz? Henry. Yeah, okay. Heinz, his real name is Heinz Kissinger. Okay, we'll straighten out. We got a light that fell down, boys. (53:38) Do you notice that? We got to be alert to notice all these little things, and that's very hot, by the way. Haig was an army. Just a second. Let's get this straight here, because that is a hot light, and you'll burn your fingers if you don't touch it. By the way, as long as we're kind of in an unofficial break here. Did you have to read my note while I was writing it? I didn't see just part of it. When I was writing it, or only when I held it up? (54:07) When you held it up over here. Okay. Well, I was starting to write. I wrote, widen her a bit, and then I looked up. Well, lo and behold, he's done it. So I thought, well, he maybe could read this, or my shoulder. That's cool. And then. Oh, you saw it and interpreted. You could read it from here. Oh, that's cute. This is, oh, y'all are wonderful. What a team. What a team you are. You could, thank you. Yeah, okay. (54:32) Actually, all you got to do, if you write it just tip up a little bit, I'll. Okay, because the thing of it, when she's illustrating something and using her hands, well, then seize on that and open it up so that we don't lose the lower part of her hands, you know, not far enough down to where, you know, strategically, we get out of focus, but just, that's cool. All right. We're back. And this is good. (54:52) Let's go back to, see, we want to talk about Henry Kissinger, but also, I introduced the idea about George Bush. Three, two, one. Now, so George Bush, I mean, all these people rise up to the ranks, the same club. No wonder, you know, I saw a little TV clip one time, where a reporter was asking George Bush and others about the, the Order of the Skull and Bones. All these guys were shocked that somebody mentioned the term, and they, they just would not discuss it at all. (55:31) And the reporter said, I understand that, that as part of the oath, you don't discuss it. And George just flat out said, it's just not to be discussed. And that was the end of the subject. Now, it's because, I mean, if this really got out, that these guys are all inducted because they've got some kind of homosexual thing on them. Indoctrination, I mean, or indoctrination. They have to do that. They do that. (55:59) In a coffin, and, and it's even now coming into the military totally. The chiefs do that. They put them in the coffin. They do the bowling ball trick. Okay, you've got to explain this. What happens when you get in the coffin? Why do you get in a coffin? Oh, they, they get, when, when you get your eagles, that's a German thing. You know, it's what the German high command did. And most of them, you know, had the boyfriends and stuff, the troops and, and all of that. (56:29) It is a German thing that they say goes back to Greece, and it's all the male marine looking men that they, they do it with. So now the chiefs have to do that. What they do is they get, George said, it's like a zoo. They, they get everybody really drunk, and they sometimes call it dining in. Shellback is another time that they do it. Not everybody does it, but the ones who do it, if they're young, they, they get right up to the top. It's a... Okay, well, what actually do they do? They've got a coffin, they get inside... Fatal sex. (57:13) Oh, oh, that they, they do. They put them in the coffin, and they do things. Okay, they perform things on each other. Yeah, yeah, while they're all around there going drunk. I see, so there's a guy in the coffin. Yeah, and he's the one who is the recipient of all the acts. Right, right. Probably safe to conclude these are oral sex acts on this guy or something like that. Yeah, oral and anal, whatever. But, but what's the significance of the coffin? I don't know. (57:37) It's the mystique about the skull and bones. What's interesting is the, now, the young SEALs, Delta Force, the ones who go from Army to BUDS, the BUDS training SEALs, all are... BUDS. BUDS is...

The Kay Griggs Interviews, 1988, Part 5/8 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped) This series of interviews is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure that's public into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about this interview although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary (00:01-01:04) The speaker recounts unusual events in her home linked to Navy SEAL training exercises, including missing personal items and odd rearrangements that left her feeling paranoid and confused. (01:34-03:50) She shares her traumatic experiences related to her marriage, hinting at domestic abuse and her husband's psychological issues stemming from his military background, while expressing a deep commitment to her marriage vows despite the turmoil. (03:50-06:30) After multiple reported break-ins, she describes interactions with law enforcement and the FBI, discovering that the officers sent to help her have military backgrounds, which leads her to question their ability to truly assist in her situation. (08:34-11:00) The conversation shifts to historical perspectives on U.S. military and political involvement, with specific reference to figures such as Walt Whitman Rostow and their alleged roles in the Vietnam War and broader conflicts, demonstrating a deep distrust of government motives. (30:23-33:19) The speaker discusses her husband's lack of morality regarding murder, confirmed through his casual admission about participating in assassinations, specifically referencing the murder of Malcolm Kerr, a British double agent. (39:37-43:47) Concerns about the composition and bias within the U.S. State Department are raised, particularly regarding its handling of Middle Eastern affairs and the perceived favoritism towards Israel, highlighting a lack of balance in political representation. (55:08-57:54) The narrative circles back to historical figures in military and intelligence circles, illustrating perceived connections between personal relationships, assassinations, and how these networks operate, suggesting deep-seated issues of corruption and moral depravity linked to her husband's past and broader political conspiracies. Transcript: (00:01) The emerging SEAL group. Oh, I see. The budding SEALs. Budding SEALs. I see. And they have to break into houses. Their training exercise is to break into civilians' houses. For practice. For practice. They broke into my house. When George and I were first married, I had many, many, many underwear. You know, this is terrible to say, but lingerie. I had lots of, you know, I didn't buy much, but it all disappeared. (00:35) And then when the psyching was beginning, I had white blouses, but they would all have black dots on them. I'd say, George, here's another blouse with a black dot. It was just a little message? This was somebody's message, you know. Or I would, after George left, it was batteries in a drawer. You know, you can't tell the police I opened up a drawer where I had six batteries and now I've got 50 batteries. (01:04) They're going to say, well, of course you're crazy. And I started my little sob with a screwdriver. And, you know, I was always looking around for screwdrivers. One day I come home and there are about 12 screwdrivers on the table, you know, neatly placed. Well, you can't call the police and say, I've got 12 screwdrivers, you know. You can't tell people that you've got black dots on all your white blouses. (01:34) You know, your shoes are disappearing. And, man, this is really, I called the police the first break-in, which was the night of March the 4th, the night before I went to see General Joy at the Marriott. Well, I had already called the police when I was battered because I was just bruised. I made O.J.'s wife look like Marilyn Monroe. I mean, you talk about. And I was doing this because I thought it would help him, you know, have 45s put to my head. (02:05) And he's laughing. He'd strangle me and put his finger on my juggler vein. And he'd just say, now don't you dare move, you know. I mean, or I'd be lying in bed and he'd do a jab where he'd just push me off the bed. You can't believe what horror I went through to try and get this man to understand what Christ's love is about. You know, people say, oh, well, you should have left. Well, I took my marriage vow seriously. (02:32) I knew he was injured psychologically by the war, by whatever he was made to do. So, I mean, I'm fine. I just sacrificed a lot. I was in a big wrestling match with a crazy guy, you know. But I still love the little boy within. He's very troubled. But anyway, I called the police after a number of little break-ins. And guess what? The policeman they sent was a little short guy with a short haircut whose name was Shorty Satterwhite. (03:13) And Shorty Satterwhite was saying, oh, now, Ms. Griggs, now you're just making this up. Now, you know Ms. Griggs. You're just traumatized. Your husband's gone, blah, blah, blah. I found out he was a 20-year Marine. And not only that, but there's another part of his life. But that's okay. I mean, he's a nice guy. But he was a Marine. And he takes orders. Of course he does. He's still reserved. So I think, okay, I'll call the FBI. (03:50) You know, I'll let them know what's going on. I heard about the FISA court and that, you know, because I'm talking about William Colby, maybe they think I'm a threat because I know all these international people. So I'm just going to call them and tell them what's going on. So I call Torrance, who's the head of the FBI. And he's too busy, you know, too busy. So he sends this guy, Dan McNally, out. And Dan McNally is a very nice guy. (04:22) And he has this girl interview me, and I type out something about George's history and what I know. Guess who else is a 20-year Marine? Dan McNally. And it just so happens that Dan McNally's best friend, and he's not married either, but that's all right, his best friend, who is from North Carolina and never married, is a best friend of Fred Hentz, who's the one who took me to this place, Mahi Maz, where I had the two death threats, (05:06) who was graduated from college in 59. He was intelligence. His father was a German high, part of the Kaiser's elite group. He was NATO colonel, which I thought was pretty neat, and that's why they knew the profile. Kay likes NATO people because she's going to learn a little bit about another culture. And I'm not saying that because his family were high command, but he was also an existentialist. Okay, and again, for our viewers that may not know the term existentialist, you mean? (05:56) An existentialist, according to my husband, which he is one, Fred Hentz, all of these people are existentialists, they believe in doing whatever it takes. It doesn't matter what the law says. They will do anything necessary to get what they want politically and economically and whatever. In other words, killing a leader, killing five people, killing 20 people, according to George, is a lot better than war. (06:30) This is the way they rationalize it. You didn't used to kill women and children in war. When the British Army, when they were pure, kind of, you know, you didn't go out and kill. I think Dresden, they did do some of that, but that was Walt Whitman Rostow and his crowd. And he's a very dangerous man because Walt Whitman Rostow is a communist. Okay, and in what capacity is he? Oh, he was one of the wise men in Kennedy's administration. (07:06) I think he was probably responsible for the movement that got Kennedy murdered. I believe it was an Israeli group which did it with some of these rogues. Okay, now when you mention wise men, is this an insider term too? Wise men, yeah. Kennedy's wise men were guys like, you know, the Harvard crowd. And he was trying to bring them in to change things around a lot. Walt Whitman Rostow was the one who got us into the Vietnam War because he wanted to sell the weapons and stuff. (07:49) He and Victor Krulak, who is the present Commandant's father, Krulak was his lackey. Walt Whitman Rostow's lackey. Walt Whitman Rostow went with Taylor, General Taylor, and wrote the report that got us into the Vietnam War. And all the time that the Pentagon was saying no, no, no, no, he was a cheerleader for the weapons sales. He and Henry Kissinger, Heinz. He and Henry. Walt Whitman Rostow, Eugene Debs Rostow, these were communists, named for communists. (08:34) Eugene Debs Rostow and his, it's either his son or his other brother, runs the big Boston mob, the port there. His name is Nicholas Rostow with the Weld, you know, with William Weld. They've done all that drug business in Mexico for years. They had that Russian, you know, the one who was murdered by the assassin, Ramon. You know, he was a competitor, Stalin's competitor, and he escaped. Very famous. Tolstoy. (09:18) Tolstoy became a Christian at the end, and you can't become a Christian. That's a death warrant. So they killed Tolstoy because he was becoming too, I think, now I don't, maybe I don't know the whole story. There's probably a lot more to it, and I just, maybe I see completely the wrong picture there. But Tolstoy was murdered by the same Parisian, Spanish, Czechoslovakian, Georgian, Russian group which are all part of the former Abwehr. (09:56) We've got to stop. Tolstoy is not the correct name. I know who you're talking about, but I can't think of him. Tolstoy is a writer. He's a Russian writer. The guy you're thinking of was murdered in Mexico. It's not Tolstoy. Okay, what was his name? It's a good point to bring this up, because if we can correct that name, and don't go that wide. When I talk about going wide, I'm not talking about going anywhere near that wide, because we've got all this junk over here we don't want in the picture. (10:28) Are you sure it wasn't Tolstoy? I think it was. I know he's a writer. I know. It's okay. You're learning. He was a man of Lenin, and he defected and went to Mexico. He went to Mexico and murdered him. I think it was Tolstoy. It could be two Tolstoys. No, Tolstoy is a very famous artist. You're not thinking of Trotsky? Oh yes, you're right. Oh, got it, got it. Let's correct that. Oh, thank you, thank you. Bravo. (11:00) We're getting close. You were doing so well, and I thought we can't use this because it's the wrong name, and it's going to disrupt the whole story. Good, good. Trotsky. Let's back up. Okay. We have five minutes to go. Okay. We can easily do that. That is on this tape. We have more time than this, but on this tape. On this tape, and in the next five minutes, tell us what Mack Sugg means, because you mentioned it earlier. (11:28) I still don't know what it means. Let's get Trotsky in this piece right now while we're thinking about this. Okay. So let's pick this up with ... You were saying about ... We were talking about the Wiseman, we were talking about the Rostos, and ... William Weld, and Mexico, and the involvement of the Mexican government. And it's not Tolstoy, it's Trotsky. Okay, hold on a second. I won't even necessarily mention that, because that will be completely clipped and edited. (12:00) So just go ahead and tell the whole story, but use the name Trotsky. All right. Go ahead. Here we go. This group, which was run out of Paris, is still being run out of Paris. This revolutionary terrorist group, which is controlling these Marines and Army Steiner's group, they all operate together. The man who started all of this program during Vietnam used communists who were in the Spanish communist movement. (12:42) They actually promoted communists in the OSS, which was started by this William, anyway, Donovan. So they were promoting and using communists who were actually wanting to get rid of our form of government as a stepping stone to world domination. So this group now, in the Army and in the Marine Corps, has communists at the very top, who are really existentialists, which means they don't believe in God. They don't believe in Christ. (13:22) They live for the moment. They believe in sort of one world, which has no religions in it. They're the ones who put Napoleon in power. They're the ones who put Oliver Cromwell in power. They're the ones, probably, who actually were behind the Roman Empire and maybe the Egyptian Empire. They put puppet people in power, and they actually run it from behind the scenes. Now, Trotsky, as I understand it, was escaped from Russia. (13:57) He had become a Christian, I understand, and was working with agents in the United States, Israel. And he was considered a threat, so he had to be silenced, killed. There's an excellent book, which I have, called The Mind of an Assassin, which is about the background of Trotsky's assassin, a young man named Ramon, who was trained. He was Soviet paid. I think he had experience in Spain. They organized it in Paris, I believe. (14:54) And, of course, up to the present time, there have been assassins operating out of Rome, Milan in particular, Naples, and Paris. And these are all anarchists, all mob-related. They use mob funding and, of course, drug money to pay for the weapons, which are brand new weapons. The Bosnia Bazaar, this is the reason we had the war in Bosnia. The war in Bosnia is simply a stage to train assassins, to be a market for brand new weapons, to be a marketplace so that the drug money can be used. (15:46) And the army runs the whole show. It's totally run by the army. The CIA is a bogus thing, you know. It's Training and Doctrine Command. It's NATO. It's SHAPE. Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, started by Eisenhower. It's a totally independent corporation. Its main function is to sell weapons and launder money. You're talking about CIA? No, I'm talking about SHAPE. SHAPE. CIA is kind of bogus. That's just a trade name for the media to use. (16:24) Oh, it's to confuse us. It's just to get us off the track. It's all being done by army people who are now joint. Because the word joint comes from the group that brought over a lot. And a lot of good people came over. But they came over illegally to kind of escape Nazi Germany and stuff. I don't know that much about it. But I do know that the funding organization, one of the funding organizations, was out of New York. (16:56) And it was called the Joint. And Meyer Lansky. See, our mob, the organized crime, the Jewish Kabbalist group, who don't believe in God really. Well, they do. They look at God as a Kabbalah kind of thing and the opposite of good is bad. They have to get rid of all the good people and kill them. I mean, they really do this. They're killing people who are good on purpose. And they get brownie points with their little cult. (17:29) But this funding group in New York, they would pay for passports which were illegal. In fact, my grandfather was involved with that. That's how I know so much about it. Because my grandfather was told to keep silent and not to tell anybody. But, of course, he told my grandmother, and my grandmother told me, and I've told my children. Everybody knows they brought in probably more than 200,000 Nazi soldiers and SS (18:02) and, you know, wacko scientists and psychologists. And all of them, most of them, had the German disease. You know, because it was their culture. The German disease? Yeah, the German disease is what the Pink Triangle boys were. Colonel Ron Ray writes about this. He's a Marine colonel who's a Christian who's writing about the Cherry Marines, the homosexuality in the group sex orgies and so forth, which brought down the German government because Naples, (18:39) which is where all of the Navy is doing their playing. I mean, today, in Naples, these orgies are going on. It was where Krupp, the weapons manufacturer, used to take the German high command and they would go on the Isle of Capri into the Blue Grotto. And they would have big orchestras, and they'd bring in little boys, little Italian boys who would be raped. They'd give them trinkets. And, of course, the mothers gradually found out, (19:16) and just like me, it was wonderful. One thing, when there was just one of me, now there are a lot more of us wives who are talking and telling truth. And it took those Italian women went to newspapers in Italy, they wouldn't listen. But when they went to the wives of these guys in Germany, it brought it all out. It brought the German government down because they were duplicitous in it, you know. But what they were doing was pedophilia. (19:49) They were raping, bringing in little boys. They involved the Catholic priests, you know, who were bringing in all, anyway, so. But what happened was, this whole group came over to the United States. And they, it's an old culture, but it is the reason there are a lot of things going on with children these days. And it explains why it's all being covered up, because if you've got police officers who are playing these games and they're going in the woods like to, what is this place, (20:32) they wear, I mean, even Eisenhower played these games. Even Mike Kemp out in, it's called the Hermitage. The Hermitage. In California, where they all run, they get drunk and they run around nude in the woods and stuff. Bohemian Grove. That's it. Bohemian Grove. Okay, rather than Hermitage, it's the Bohemian Grove. Bohemian Grove, that's the name of it. My brain's tired. That's okay. And the one in, there was a big one in Washington called Rush River Lodge, where they used to (21:06) all go, and there are lots of places now. But the problem, as I see it, is that I think they're trying to destroy America and the basic Protestant Christian culture, because where you have a militaristic society, which is where the rules are only for those people, and keep in mind that Meyer Lansky and Luciano, Lucky Luciano and the other man, they chose to go to Italy. Luciano went to Milan. He didn't, he wasn't banished to Naples and Milan. (21:55) The two top mob families went there because of the weapons industry. They're selling weapons. I mean, that's what the military is doing. It's totally controlled by the mob. Look at this. Weinberger was General Douglas MacArthur's, he spied on MacArthur in Korea. Who was MacArthur's nemesis, albatross? It was none other than little old intelligence. I'm going to tell every move you make, Weinberger, young, but he did it. (22:36) He brought down MacArthur. Every move MacArthur was going to make, he broadcast it through the chaplain, his little intelligence network. And he got brownie points with the group because he brought down the big lion. When you get rid of a big lion like that, you get a big job. You've done good work. And they needed to get rid of MacArthur because he didn't want to keep the wars going. He wanted it over and, you know, it's like General Truffaut, who took over after the (23:12) Vietnam War was over, and he was on C-SPAN in August of 96 with former Ambassador Whitehead and a few of the other, you know, the State Department Vietnam people. And General Truffaut, he had been holding this in for years. He was on C-SPAN. This man let it all out. He said, I took over at the end of the Vietnam War. I was in control, right? Big general charge. So I say, cut off the shipment of weapons. So I tell the Pentagon, cut off the shipment of weapons. (24:07) He said, I got a phone call from Henry Kissinger saying, the weapons are going to continue at the wartime rate. Sure. Now, that's when all this stuff with China started. Well, it started before then, because already the communist agents, the New York, Brooklyn, New Jersey mob, were already training male. Male was trained in Paris. So was, you know, the one in Cambodia, what's his name? I can't think of his name. (24:46) The one who was Paul Pott. They were homosexually, bless their little hearts, by priests. They were wonderful little boys, sent there, you know, turned, which is the word, you know, when they believe their mothers and then all of a sudden the world's horrible and then they have these wonderful friends who are going to make them leaders. They're turned psychologically. And it's a pattern. And so this is why it's so important to know what they are doing to innocent little boys (25:20) in the Army and the Marine Corps today. Why? Why are they having them go together in groups and strip nude when they're brand new inductees? Why do they do certain things in public, in front of the group? Well, they even do that during the pre-induction visit? Yes. And they also have the doctor. That's why I didn't want to go in the Army, I knew there was something. But they also turn around the other way after doing that. (25:51) The other way and they're upside down. And they do this, anally. Now, why do they do that in public? Why are the urinals all out in public, you know, without separate stalls if they're not promoting this? And then why is it that the ones who are this way rise up faster than the ones who don't? Because there's someone there noticing those who are vulnerable. I was going to say rising, but that wouldn't be quite appropriate. (26:30) They're called rising stars. Rising stars. That's the word the State Department uses for those who are controlled. And when I was volunteering with the State Department as an escort in Virginia, I had this group called, I thought it up myself, VIVA, Virginia International Visitors Association. And I tried so hard to get to be a part of the State Department family. But, you know, I'm a Christian, see, I'm a Protestant Christian and they don't want Christians (27:03) in there. My goodness. You know, I would have guests and I would let them know I was a Christian and that I love them and Virginia's a wonderful place. But we, I couldn't be a part of that. They sent me people, but I never was a part of it, even though I had lots and lots of dignitaries. Did you ever have any contact with Madeleine Albright? No, I lived with Sarah McClendon for about six months and Sarah is a Democrat. (27:55) I was a Republican all these years. I was married for 21 years to a Democratic governor's grandson. It was an arranged marriage and so I knew a lot of the high level Democrats who were really sort of conservative. It's hard, you know, in Virginia, they're very conservative. So when I stayed with Sarah McClendon, I had become a Republican, you know. And Sarah told me a lot of the things that were going on in the White House from her (28:31) insider perspective, which totally challenged my perspective on everything. You know, Ron Brown was murdered, for example. Vince Foster was murdered. Forstall was murdered. We're going to break right here because we're just about out of tape, I think, on this in here. This would be a good place to pick up, though, Ron Brown, Vince Foster. I think Foster had a Marine Corps background. Is that possible? I think so. (29:05) He may have. I bet he did. That would fit right in. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. That would fit right in. Because Nussbaum's office was right across the hall. We can pop these tapes out, actually. We're fresh with brand new tapes, the number two ones. Let's take a nice little break. Let's talk a little bit about, your husband would get into these drunken stupors and he would start running his mouth and tell you everything he knew. (29:42) What did you find was some of the most stunning revelations that came? Besides the fact that he admitted he couldn't be a Christian and was an existentialist and explaining what existentialism meant to him, which was startling to me, the other parts of some of the things he told me, which really startled me and frightened me, was his attitude towards murder, which he said was not murder, because he said emotions are not involved. (30:23) His cold calculating view of the destruction of innocent human beings, meaning nothing to him. Having absolutely no feelings about ordering others to do that. Now, did he ever carry out some of these murders himself, do you think? Oh, of course. Yeah. In fact, he told me about Malcolm Kerr's murder. Malcolm Kerr. Who's that? Malcolm Kerr was a British double agent who worked in California. He was one of these intelligence operatives who worked for both sides. (31:06) And he had been in California, but he was doing intelligence work in Beirut undercover. He was the head of the American University of Beirut, AUB, which is in Lebanon. Now, my husband was the liaison between the White House and President Jamal, the second, the brother of the first president who was murdered. My husband was involved with assassinations and operations. He was very upset with Malcolm Kerr, because Malcolm Kerr refused, although they were already (31:56) there, the Marine snipers, the assassins, who were under my husband and General Joy and Al Gray, of course, were hiding in the dormitory at this university. And of course, General Gray, General Krulak, General Wilhelm, now Charlie Wilhelm was there. He is now my husband's special boss. And they were undercover there. And they had Malcolm Kerr murdered. Only because Malcolm Kerr would not allow the Marines to stay in the dormitory. (32:40) Had I been Malcolm Kerr, I wouldn't have wanted rowdy Marine assassins living in a dormitory with children, essentially, adolescent, young children, having, you know, with their perversion and some of their behaviors. So he was put away for that very reason, George told me. Then there was Dale Dorman. Did he give you any details about how he was killed? No. He told me that he had to be gotten rid of because of that. (33:19) He then said that, and oh, this is interesting. Mary Clark Yost Halab is, my husband is handled by her. She is an American double agent who was put on my husband's case because she could handle him. They had an affair, of course, while my husband was first married. I found out about it because she called the house after we were married and wanted to talk to him. And I found in his papers a photograph of her and her bio and all kinds of information (34:09) on her. And her address in his address book, and I have, I want you all to see that in this movie. I have a photograph of her. They had a long-term affair the whole time he was in Beirut while she was married to an Arab intelligence double agent who was underneath Malcolm Kerr and who took over when Malcolm Kerr was murdered by them. So what you have here is a favor essentially done to Yost. She was Yost. (34:49) She was from Louisiana. She Baton Rouge, New Orleans. How did she enter the intelligence picture? She recruited from school? Well, yeah, she was at, I'm trying to think. I have her bio. English major, written books on British literature, Phi Beta Kappa. She went to the American University in Beirut. She married an administrator there who became, because of her position, you know, they loved the mixed marriages. (35:33) He was- Mixed marriage in the sense of? For the double agents. If you marry, if an agent marries an agent- From another country. Yeah. They loved that. The intelligence community loved that. The State Department loved that. And I was mentioning earlier that, about the State Department, when I was living with Sarah McClendon, helping her in 1986, I went everywhere she went because she's the senior national White House correspondent. (36:10) And I went to the State Department one day because I was curious about why there isn't peace in the Middle East. And I wanted to go to what I thought was the Middle East Department while I, there was a group of students and I got a press pass ostensibly to go in and interview them. So I left them and meandered up to the Near East section. And I had quite a few hours. I thought they were going to, you know, say, what are you doing here? (36:42) Because all the doors were open. They had these little buttons on each door, you know, that they could have closed and you could have had to have known somebody to get in, which I think is terrible to have the American people not know and not be allowed into the State Department without a special Sarah McClendon. If I hadn't had been living with the senior White House correspondent, I as a citizen would not be welcome at the State Department. (37:14) Now if they're interested in peace and they're interested in that kind of thing, they're certainly not showing it by the closed door policy. So I went in. There were about, oh, eight or ten offices. I went in every single one. I was looking to find out who the leaders were. I knew about Aaron David Miller. I knew about David Satterfield, who really wasn't David Satterfield. His family were Zionists who changed their name to David Satterfield, who was a Virginian (37:50) senator back in the 30s who had a wonderful name. It's like Jonathan Pollard. He took the name Pollard, which wasn't his name because of Governor Pollard. I was married to Governor Pollard's grandson for 21 years. They take the names of honorable people and then they're not honorable. And what was his name previous to Senator Pollard? He lived, now Aaron David Miller, I think that is possibly his name. It might have been Mueller. (38:18) And I'm not saying that just because they changed their name they're bad. But what I am saying is that there is this idea that go ahead and change it and be somebody else. Kind of a snake, you know, changing colors for the moment, not being honorable and truthful, saying my family is Rosinski. Heck, I'd be Rosinski, you know. I'm the eighth Catherine in a row from Scotland. It's ridiculous, but my daughter's Catherine and my granddaughter's Catherine. (38:44) We're just, you know, it's a family tradition. It's weird, but we're happy with that. So, David Satterfield, the reason I went there was because in the spring I went to a dinner. It was either a dinner or a luncheon that the World Affairs Council had in Norfolk, and he was speaking. And I'm very interested in peace because as a Christian, I want it. I know it's possible if people are reasonable. And this talk that David Satterfield gave, there were probably 20 mentions of Israel to one of the (39:37) Palestinians. He was extremely biased, arrogant. The arrogance is what bothers me because you can't have peace, you can't have justice, where there's imbalance. And even that comes from the Greek furies, you know, the female who holds the justice. Women understand balance and justice. And women know, mothers know, if you show favoritism towards one child, the other child's not going to be normal the rest of its life. (40:09) So, a wise mother is fair and tries to be balanced as most families do that are balanced. Well, after having heard the bias and so forth, and then seeing other people who were involved at the State Department in Norway when I was there, when my husband was doing some weapons deals with Newt Igham and some of the State Department people under the table, when we were supposedly going to Moss for the mayor, and her husband and George were doing some deals. (40:45) He's sort of a pilot and, you know, there's a lot going on between Norfolk, Virginia Beach, and Norway and weapons deals and so forth now because of what they set up in the spring of 95. So, I went into the State Department near east section and found there was not one single Palestinian, not one single Muslim, religious Saudi, you know, Jordanian, not one Christian Protestant, not one Roman Catholic, not one plain old American, whatever, from Corn Pond. (41:36) Every single person in all of those offices were either Zionist, Israelis, whatever, and they had pictures all over the wall of Israel, Israel, Israel. They had magazines, Israel Today, you know, I was given a copy of one and there were yarmulkes, you know, in the Israeli writing. In other words, and I asked one of the women after having gone through about, you know, four or five of these offices, I said, because I was pretending like I really, you know, wanted, I was just kind of (42:24) wanting to know where the Palestinian office was, you know. She said, well, we handle all of that. We handle all of that. And this is the State Department, the... Near east, the part that handles Israel, Jordan, all of these. Egypt? Yeah, the Near East section. Yeah. It was just totally dominated by... Totally. Israeli. Totally. And at that time, the spokesman, I can't remember his name, he was a Zionist, the spokesman for the whole State Department. (42:57) Of course, we know that, and I'm not saying that Madeline Albright is doing a bad job, because I feel as though being a woman, that she is definitely a lot more balanced than Weinberger when he was there, Eagleburger, Schultz, or any of them. Because I feel as if she's trying to do it, but she's not strong enough. There needs to be a fairness in the State Department, because all the weapons sales under the table are going to the State Department. That's why Ron Brown was murdered. (43:47) Ron Brown tried, for the first time, to take away the unfair State Department monopoly on illegal weapons and drugs, drug deals. Because the weapons, the drug money is paying for the weapons. The brand new weapons are sold by agents of Israel, or this... No, is this a conclusion you've drawn based on your knowledge of this? Yeah. Gorbachev, whatever the guy's name is. Bonifar. Yeah. Gorbachev. Gorbachev, and it was either him or... My husband worked with him. (44:31) My husband was the one who was Chief of Staff under Al Gray when North was moved from the Atlantic Command to the National Security Council. Ollie North. Ollie North, and when you work in the White House, you work under the Army. The Marines have no overlord as such. They can float, they can be truck drivers, and still be 4th Marine, but they're run out of New Orleans, just like Oswald was. (44:57) See, Oswald was homosexually recruited by Clay Shaw, David Ferry, that whole, you know, the New Orleans, Meyer Lansky, I mean, I don't mean, well, Meyer Lansky's guy, Jack Rubinstein, who was Jack Ruby. See, all the funding for these operations go through the joint, the mob, and Oswald's mother had moved to New York, and he had gotten under this Zionist psychiatrist. I can't remember his name, but he came down to check on him, and he was brilliant, (45:47) but he wasn't motivated. He wasn't told he was special, his dad died or whatever, you know, and his father was a, you know, I believe, a German soldier, but the point is, Oswald was a loner, brilliant, and a perfect candidate. He and my husband's profile are just, in fact, they almost look alike, and... You mean their profile in terms of their background, not their physical profiles. (46:18) Yeah, even their, they look a lot alike, yeah, and what's interesting is... They always allege that he had a double. Well, you see, this is interesting. My husband, when I saw him in June, after his having lived with me that fall, he was different, a different facial, everything, than the man I married. The man I married and the man I saw in June were one and the same. Had a fuller face, the mouth, you know, the mouth was fine, but the man that I was with, and I know that I felt it was not the same person. (46:57) Now, I don't think he could have gained that much weight in just a few months, because he was very thin and, you know, it... Now, I could be just... But women sense things. I don't know how to explain it, and I talked to a good friend of Marina Oswald's who knows that her husband was a patsy, and I talked to another woman in El Paso who was in the book The Widows, whose husband was a German, or rather a Czechoslovakian, whose father and two brothers (47:53) had come over here as mercenaries, like all of these young men are still doing today, and the father sent for the little boy and his sister, leaving the mother back in Czechoslovakia. Evidently, she had had an affair or something, but she was banished. I think they do this on purpose, though, because I'm finding that the boys identify with their mothers, they don't bond so much with the fathers, and they are (48:26) their mother's keeper in that country. Now, I've talked to an Indian who had this situation, a little boy from Haiti, and a young boy from Romania. Each and every scenario was the same. The mothers were back there. They were given five years to become an American citizen. They were mercenaries. They had to do things that made one of them cry on the bus, and he told me what was done when they did a hit. There was one man who did things that were just horrible, and he said, I want to get (49:05) out, but I can't. And this is horrible, to put young men who are strict Roman Catholics, you know, they've got that background, and bring them over here and make assassins of them, or in other words, to turn them in a five-year period, and for the taxpayers to pay for this. These young men are training with seals. They may have a mother who's an American and a father who's French, so they can go both ways. (49:40) And therefore, they're not under the laws of the United States, so they can go do the actual murders or whatever. And Oswald, in Oswald's case, if you remember, he was, he didn't have any problem getting into the Soviet Union. And he went into the State Department on a Saturday. The man who saw him was a Zionist. He didn't even meet anybody else. Special, elite. Then he went to this town where there were a lot of, you know, sort of a Zionist intelligence (50:29) elite group. The Georgian Russians had, because most of the intelligence people for a long time were Zionist in the Soviet Union and in Germany. And I don't know, but I know that they recruited a lot of boys at Eaton and places like that homosexually, in England. And then a lot of them went to the Soviet Union after the doctor's plot or something. I think Stalin thought that the Jewish doctors were after him or something. (51:06) So in 1952, a lot of them had to go away and they had some sort of a change or whatever. But what's interesting is that a lot of this played into George's, tied into my husband because he was in the place, the mecca for the Jewish intelligence or the Zionist intelligence people in Princeton. All of the movie actors, you know, the movie moguls or whatever, they started out in Princeton. The psychological operations crowd from the Nazi, the whatever, they came to Princeton. (51:49) Of course, some of them went to Harvard and they spread out from there. Oppenheimer, I mean, you know, it's very interesting. That's where a lot of them were in Princeton. And he was there, of course, well, I mean, he was born in 37. He lived in, born in Atlantic City, then they moved to Lawrenceville. But his grandparents lived outside of Princeton. So he had a tie with his grandparents, but then his grandparents wound up moving out (52:24) to California. So he was really abandoned from the time he was 13. And of course, being under the influence of Charles Kaddok, who was the bodyguard for the Saudis, al-Ai teacher. And he controlled the power in the school. The Cheeseboro, headmaster Cheeseboro, of course, gave Charles Kaddok carte blanche. Why? Because the Saudis bought a big mansion called Russell House. Kaddok was there with the Saudis all alone. (53:03) And my husband was there. Part of the time, they would go on outings using Saudi money. I mean, my husband was taught to fly a plane, he was taught to shoot. They went on these, they would get nude and run in the woods kind of thing. Even at Princeton, his roommates told me that he would go out with these men. And when his first roommate said, because he was, he really likes George, and George is a really handsome, I think, little older now, but in those days, he was very handsome. (53:43) And his roommate of the first two years and who had been at the Han said that he had a relationship with a French teacher who was a count or whatever from Paris, who was kind of a teacher's aide, who helped him write his paper, and who knew Camus. In other words, there was a group, this young French teacher, who liked my husband a lot and helped him with his thesis, was also a friend of an older French teacher who was (54:21) a very good friend of Camus. And Camus was coming over to see him when he was married. Albert Camus is an existentialist writer who believed in murder and, you know, sabotage. The end justifies any means. Yeah, and he was also an Arabist. They were, you see, Lawrence of Arabia, this group stuff was started by this small group of Kabbalists who were trying to take over the oil. So what they would do would be to find these sheikhs and find whichever one would go along (55:08) with whatever. Well, the Brits were more interested in finding somebody who was fair, you know, not necessarily like that, you know, but then there was a guy named Moose who was in the American State Department who tried to, they wound up, the Americans wound up poisoning this, Caddick got in with the Saudi royal family, the older, the other brother, who wound up getting it. They had a house in Switzerland, the Saudi royals had a big, you know, big mansions on (55:47) the, as Les Roses, is the place where Charles Caddick died, I understand. And my husband, according to the roommates, one in particular, who said, George never lost track, he always kept up with Charles Caddick. Well, Charles Caddick only died in, what, 1995, 1994. I only heard of him as a teacher in the first three years of marriage, but when was he writing Charles Caddick? He was writing him, you know, Charles Caddick and, and, and Robinson, Robinson, I can't (56:37) think of his name now, you probably will tomorrow, Alexander Robinson, Alexander Robinson, was a marine, very handsome, young, went to the Huns school, and was in Saudi Arabia, in these places, came fresh from there to the Huns school, Columbia, went to Columbia University as a history major, which is an intelligence school, Columbia is a school where, you know, for example, Nussbaum went, who was across the hall from Vince Foster, I believe Ezra (57:21) Pound went there, but in other words, Ezra Pound knew too much, so they just put him in St. Elizabeth's Hospital, and it was a wonderful Virginian who got him out. You know, in the movie JFK, there's a scene where it shows this homosexual, you've seen the movie JFK, okay, well, I presume too much, but there was a scene involving Ferry and, who's the other guy in New Orleans, David Ferry and Clay Shaw, Clay Shaw, Clay Shaw (57:54) was OSS, he was also in intelligence, and he was homosexual, you know, and,

The Kay Griggs Interviews, 1988, Part 6/8 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped) This series of interviews is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure that's public into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about this interview although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary Introduction of The Widows (00:01-00:46): Discussion surrounding the book The Widows, which tells the real-life story of four spies who were murdered, including references to their connections to U.S. military intelligence and double agency work. Allegations Against Kissinger (01:24-03:26): Claims about Henry Kissinger's homosexuality and misconduct, including an accusation of sexual assault during the Cambodian campaign, which allegedly ruined the lives of multiple young men. Personal Experiences in the Military (05:07-06:57): The speaker shares a personal account of being flagged by military officials for resisting inappropriate behavior within a military context and discusses the moral implications of such behavior. Corruption and Cover-Up Allegations (08:15-10:37): Accounts of how military cover-ups led to the death of spies and the speaker's suspicions that high-ranking officials, including George Bush, had connections to these events. Connections to Powerful Figures (18:17-39:03): The narrative explores connections to elite groups, including the Council on Foreign Relations and Masonic organizations, while mentioning various political figures' ties to the military and clandestine operations. Abuse and Violence (47:01-56:02): The speaker recounts personal experiences with domestic violence linked to her husband’s military background, highlighting the profound emotional and psychological impact of such trauma. Final Thoughts on Military Operations (57:19): The conversation shifts to a discussion of military training facilities for assassins and covert operations, indicating a broader concern about the hidden actions of military and intelligence agents. Transcript: (00:01) They did dress up. They were in that movie in complete drag in a real weird thing. I'm sure that struck a lot of people as very odd that these people would be homosexual. But actually the movie very evidently, very frankly brought that across. What's interesting to me is this book, The Widows, has four spies, double agents who worked for the United States and Soviet satellites or whatever who were murdered. (00:46) And they worked for the sort of the Navy and the Army and one of them was a man who was murdered outside of the Army's intelligence headquarters outside of Washington and in a Holiday Inn, I think it was. And just before he was murdered, he called his wife back in El Paso and said, the Army is going to kill me. They're going to kill me. Well, he was murdered and the Army did kill him. Now, this is a fictional account or this really happened? (01:24) It actually happened. I was saying the book, The Widows, is not fiction then? Oh, no. It's all... Golitsyn, the spy Golitsyn was in there. There were a couple of others, Paisley, who was murdered almost like this other man. Paisley was murdered like William Colby. Paisley was also hanging around with homosexuals. He went to the Rush River Lodge. That is the one... So did Bob Woodward. Bob Woodward, you know. The reporter? (01:56) Yeah. Yeah. Henry Kissinger was a well-known, totally a homosexual, not even both ways. And so his wife is a marriage of a cover, a convenience. Oh, it's just a convenience. Yeah. And he might, you know, maybe he's discovered women in his late age, I don't know, but no, I heard through a very well-grounded German that Henry's best friend's father told Henry to stay away from him and that's why Henry left. The family were embarrassed and Henry went to Britain where they did this and then changed (02:36) his name from Heinz to Henry. And I interviewed a man named Bob who's an army enlisted person who told me about Henry in Cambodia. So he, up through Cambodia, he was actually raping young men. And of course, that experience destroyed the lives of these five young men, according to the source. I mean, he said he was crying and this man was a perfectly wonderful, functioning, young married man who worked for a newspaper on the eastern shore and had three young children, (03:26) went to Vietnam as an enlisted man, was put in Cambodia, which he said he was, it was a lie living there, and then ran into Henry Kissinger, or Henry Kissinger ran into him and did certain things to him, invited him into his tent with some other men. It was horrible, but it was, you know, he said it's wartime and so forth. But he said, you know, I could have taken it mentally if it had been a bunkmate or something. (03:57) But he said, when it's someone like Henry Kissinger who does it to you, you're ruined. He said, I could never, he said he came back home, oh, and this is interesting, and I really believe that Bob's right. He said, Kissinger said to him, if you ever tell anybody, if you ever mention his soul, this is, it's the end of you, don't you ever tell anybody. Well when he got back, when Bob got back, he went to a special hospital and they were (04:31) going to keep him locked up forever. Bob? Bob. A lot of the other boys just, you know, my feeling is that he was flagged the way I was flagged when General Gray and, you know, Wilhelm had me flagged because I broke up the go-go dancing in the officer's club. I was labeled a troublemaker because I thought it was wrong for married men to be going out with topless go-go dancers in the officer's club dining room and I took pictures of it (05:07) and my husband, you know, got really mad and so forth. And these pictures today are still with you or they're missing? Oh no, my husband, what happened, I had the pictures, I risked my life because he tried to grab the camera from me. I hid it in the women's bathroom and he tried to get it from me. We had a terrible fight that night. He wanted the pictures and, I mean, I prevailed. I developed the pictures, wrote a very nice southern letter, wrote the letter to the club (05:42) manager saying I didn't think it was proper, had three sets, actually four sets of the three photographs I took made and I sent a copy of the letter and the photographs to the base commander's wife and to the commandant's wife and it was stopped. But I was flagged, so I know, but this was before tailhook and yet instead of being congratulated for helping family values, for standing up for the wives, for showing the Marine Corps (06:20) the proper place to have nudity and debauchery is not in the dining room of Camp Lejeune. And my husband said, well, this is nothing compared to Okinawa, you just have to get used to it, he told me. Now I was a colonel's wife, these were young majors, and they were seeing me being talked down to. What do you think it did to them? It demoralized them, the Marine Corps was demoralized. The wives were demoralized and I did what was right, what Jesus Christ would have done. (06:57) How can they call themselves Christians and condone, how can Al Gray and Wilhelm and Cook and my husband condone this kind of behavior and flag me as a weirdo? So there's something, and that's where I'm standing, I'm standing on what I know Jesus Christ would have done. And if they want to, you know, continue to hound me because I'm telling truth, well, that's just the way it is, because I'm not going to lie and develop a different kind (07:35) of personality just to please them. But anyway, that happened. Well, it's certainly honorable. So then the book, The Widows, continues with... Yes, and I contacted this woman. There was a detective who had to be hired. She knew he'd been murdered. The Army covered everything up. She had an independent investigator. And the interesting thing which happened was that she worked in a toy shop. This isn't in the book. (08:15) She told me this over the phone. This is Mrs. Yeah, his name, it's like Klein. Well, anyway, yeah. Anyway, he's a... I'll think of it in a minute, hopefully. But she worked in a toy shop, and they were scoping her out. And this was just after the... No, no, it was before he was murdered. It was before he was murdered, because she said she told her husband about this. George Bush and his wife came into her shop and were looking at her. (09:07) Now, I don't know what that means, but they don't live in El Paso. Why? And he was doing all of the Russian, Mexican, Trotsky kind of work for... George Bush? George Bush. No, no, this guy. This guy? Yeah. Now, this is while George was CIA director? Right. I believe he... Yes, I believe he was CIA director then. The interesting thing to me was that why would he scope the wife? Why would he bring Barbara in? Did Barbara know? (09:45) Was he just using Barbara as a... But she was being observed, and it was shortly before he was murdered. And I know... know that Parker Host, my husband's friend, has dealings with George Bush. So, I don't know. I know there's a lot to do with oil and Aramco and Texas and all of that. I know it's very complex, but where I draw the line is murder and assassination and corruption and lies and deception and cruelty to innocent women and children and families just because (10:37) they're not elite. Just because, now, Mrs. Bush is in the Colonial Dames, so is my mother. Colonial Dames is a very elite group of women, they think they are, who are descendants of George Washington's aides. They own George Washington's ancestral home, Solgrave Manor in Great Britain. They have Wilton in Richmond, which is an old house where Lafayette visited. I know there's a connection with Lafayette and the Masons, and I know there's a big (11:22) Mason contingent in the Warfare Selling Group, because the head admiral in Norway, Eicham, no, I think, no, no, no, not Eicham, because he was, he's in charge of the prisons which have the drug lord. He's running the drug lord out of his prison, and he's a friend of George's, Newt Eicham. They were talking about this, as though I would know about it, you know, and he has a house or a cottage right outside of Kolsas, Norway, which is (11:58) where they have their underground, one of their underground bunkers. They have one in Narvik, and they do a lot of the cold-weather training NATO does up there, but I know they're doing weapon shipments out of Norway. Okay, we'll call this a wrap for... I'm tired. You have done a stellar job. Well. You have done a stellar job. Okay, now we're on the clock. Who have we got here in this picture? All right, let me just put this here. (12:39) This individual here is, his name now is Rockland Williams. He's a South African, quote unquote, general, who was with the army, the white army in South Africa, who was actually a double agent for Mandela's forces. He's an assassin, a murderer, and... Did your husband tell you of any murders that he committed? Any people or any situations? He stayed there with us. He was a guest of the State Department, and my husband arranged... (13:19) This is my husband here. This is a gal in our church, Carla, whom I thought would be interested in going along with us that day because of the South African connection and Mandela and so forth. She's another battered military wife who lost a child, and anyway, she is a very bright lady, and we... And this guy's name again is? Rockland Williams. He studied in Great Britain after this. Does he have any other name? (13:56) He is very interested in Ireland. I think he's basically sort of part of that IRA kind of underground, but his father, interestingly enough, came over to North Carolina as one of the sort of underground trainers, trainees during World War II. They had a number of training bases for communists in this country, and his father trained and lived in North Carolina, but was not from America, which is interesting. (14:35) All right. Now, we're on the picture in the right, an individual laying down. That's your husband? Yeah. My husband was a rage-aholic. During Vietnam, he had to kill a number of people and lots and lots of people, and he was suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, and the interesting thing to me is that he cannot control himself when he is drinking, or either at odd times he goes into what's called a berserk state. (15:07) Okay, so this is one of his past outstanding... Yeah, yeah, and yet he was chief of staff of the... This picture is of me and Sarah McClendon and General Carl Mundy, who became the commandant of the Marine Corps after Al Gray, for whom my husband was chief of staff. This was at a party at 8th and I Street at the Marine Corps commandant's house. It was a garden party for the Secretary of Defense. He's a good guy or a bad guy? (15:46) Oh, bad guy. I mean, he knows what's going on and doing nothing about it, ordering hits and... And where was this taken again? It was in Washington, D.C. at the Marine Corps commandant's garden party in August of 1996. It was a garden party for the Secretary of Defense and the Marine Corps commandant, Krulak. Who would have taken this picture? One of the military photographers, but they stole... I had at least six pictures of that garden party, (16:21) and I would, because they were coming in my house and stealing pictures, this is the only one I have of that, but it's a picture of a picture, because they didn't want me to have any proof that I had been there, but I was there. This is a picture of my husband's, supposedly his retirement from the Marine Corps, which you never retire, according to my husband, from the Marine Corps. You're always a mercenary, and you work under the New Orleans 4th Marines, (17:01) which are under a different kind of law than our country. Napoleonic law is the law of Louisiana, and my husband was always going down to Louisiana. They have a training school for assassins. They kind of hop around from Lake Pontchartrain to here and there. This is General Al Gray, who was the commandant of the Marine Corps at that time, when my husband retired. My husband was his chief of staff. This is my husband, George Raymond Griggs. (17:38) Hang on just a second. Let's get a good shot of Gray here. Okay, who's the guy next to Gray? This is my husband's son. He's not quite right. Yeah, he's kind of a little bit of a... He's not right. And the lady? That's the commandant's wife. He married her very late in life because he needed a third star. Now, who's the commandant? Al Gray, and her name is Jeanne Gray. Is she a good lady? Has potentials? She has potentials. She worked for him in his... (18:17) See, even when he was general, he ran an intelligence operation, which was a contract organization, trying to hook politicians and get them. What is the word? In other words... In generalizing situations? Yes, yes. He has and still had and still has an organization, which brings in whores, prostitutes, whatever you want to say, who will compromise politicians so they can be used. Jeanne worked for him in that organization, (18:58) which was not part of the military. She was a hooker. Well, I don't know. She chained smokes. She sleeps with the dogs and stuff. But when his mother was ill, when he was at FMF Lant, Fleet Marine Force Atlantic, Jan came to stay with his mother because she was on sedation and she may have talked too much to keep an eye on the mother. And then he married her because he would not have gotten his third star or whatever without having been married because he is a homosexual. (19:36) He's a well-known group sex homosexual. And that's my husband. That's me. And that's my son, Garland, who's now married. And I have two grandchildren. This is a copy of my husband's diploma from the NATO Defense College at Rutgers. The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1999-Satanism (21:00) I just heard about Marschenko was going to be at a book signing and I kind of was curious to know whether he had even known George and so forth and he did and that's a picture of me with Richard Marschenko and his father was of course one of these mercenaries who came to work for our country and if you read any of his books you know that they do everything they want, there's no right or wrong and then these guys are churned out. (21:25) Now this I have in here because this is about the royal family of Saudi Arabia and my husband was, this is how my husband got in his power because my husband went to a private boys school on scholarship he was hooked the same way Oswald was, homosexually and the Saudi, the three oldest Saudi boys were also hooked homosexually. The first one to come over after the uncle had been murdered because uncle was a really good guy and he favored the British. (22:15) So these saboteurs, these communists who were... Now when you say uncle you're not making a reference like man from uncle are you? No the uncle of the Saudi royals. I just wanted to say can I continue that television series? But Mansoor was killed, it was Mansoor who was poisoned in Paris and my husband went to school with him and now there's one of them involved with the Marine Corps. This is the recruiter for my husband, I'm sorry it's not a better picture but it was faxed (22:55) to me and they took the originals, this was a copy of an old one and they took it and he was a homosexual, Borland was a homosexual. Okay I need you to hold it up about two inches, there that's close. Charles Caddock died in the Saudi, one of the Saudi mansions outside of Marseille where they used to have the group sex orgies, it's a place called Es Le Rose. Okay. Okay, I think that's, then we get into the diary. (23:37) What's this here? Oh yeah this is one of my husband's friends whom I talked to about some things that were going on, he was on the ship with my husband, Ed Townley. Did you mention any of these to him? No I didn't mention Ed Townley, let me see if there's anything here. When I was going through, they've taken so many of the originals, I met with Ollie Whipple, now Ollie Whipple is another marine intelligence person who told me about Dale Dorman. (24:25) Okay do we have any pictures? No. All we need to reduce on this tape here is pictures. Okay. Or documents that are significant to anything we might have discussed. Englehart, my husband's getting mail for an Englehart and I know that there's a connection, money's being laundered. This is a presidential citation, copy of one from my husband. Okay. Oh and this number is important because this is not his social security number (24:59) and you can find out a lot by that number. I think it's either 077-170 or, but that number you can find out a lot about my husband from that. Oh here it is, 077-670. Let me notice this. Oh. These are certificates of what? When he rises in rank. Oh I see. From one rank to the other. We went from colonel all the way back. I see. He was, oh let's see. The next step after colonel is? General. General. He didn't make general because of his wife's mishap. (25:54) Yeah. That kind of put him back a little bit. You missed him, huh? No. No, I mean his first wife. Oh. Her death, which was nuts. Here he was with the U.S. Defense Liaison Group in Indonesia where they were training assassins on Timor. They have a little factory for assassins and terrorists that was started by Mountbatten. Okay. Okay. This is NATO headquarters. Oh. These are notes by a Marine Corps friend of his from Princeton (26:43) who was in his class and who helped me a little bit to understand what was going on. This is interesting in his handwriting because it says, Robertson says Kay has spoken of abuses, George spending up to the limit, $33,000 on credit cards. He says an intervention often might be good. J.R., Jim Robertson, is disturbed by Kay's stories. And this is J.R.'s number. Well, who is Jim Robertson now but the head of the Justice Department Criminal Division? (27:21) And this is in his handwriting. They've taken the originals. Mike Kimmel was mentioned to me by Jim Proctor who has written this. Mike Kimmel is the son of the famous Admiral who was the head of Pearl Harbor at the Pearl Harbor bombing. And my theory is that these guys take the sons of generals and then they suck them into their little thing. Jack Herman, in the dark. Jack Herman was my husband's roommate from Brooklyn (27:57) whose father was Barbara Streisand's doctor and who is really literally kind of a basket case since he graduated from Princeton. Siegel is the president of the class. John Wilhelm, I think he's related to Charlie Wilhelm whom my husband's now working for. He's in intelligence. We have a picture of him in the reading room. Yeah, we do have a picture of John Wilhelm. Murdered or something happens to me. And I'm really scared when I talk about this. (28:31) It's all right. The more you talk about it and the more people know, the more safe you are. This guy, his name is V.W. Wooten. He was a, and his son Wallace, he said it was his son. This is the license number, ZYF3977 Kreisel, LeBaron, Maroon. The time, it was 530, 96, 2 o'clock from about 2 until 430 in the afternoon. They were parked there and on his clipboard he had personal data. He had a book entitled Religions of the World. (29:06) He was obviously studying Islamic religions because that was, you know, what the thing. New Army P. Green Coats, his curriculum vitae, and he had 21 years of service with the Air Force. Among the top, I couldn't read the rest of that. Experienced 1992 to present. Chief of Security, K.I. Sawyer. Commander of 350 persons. Provides protection, top secret security. Education master's degree, bachelor's degree. (29:37) Squadron officer, Air Force Staff College. Fundamentals of total, probably total quality, I don't know. Awards, Air Training Command. Member of the Marquette. He's a fraternal order of police member. But this is interesting. 1991 to 1992, Provost Marshal at Keflavik, Iceland, which is where all of the The drug smuggling and stuff goes through that airport. Staff supervisor of 500 people briefed U.S. Ambassador during the visit of the Pope John. (30:12) This guy again is who? Guarding my neighborhood. V.W. Wooten? Wooten. Yeah. This is just a letter from Jim Proctor to Mike Kimmel, who is the son of the famous Admiral Kimmel, World War II's, you know, the bombing of Pearl Harbor. And it says, it seems George has recently disappeared from home for short periods. Kay's trying to talk to everyone she believes who knew George better than average, both in reference to where he might be and, in perhaps a more important sense, what makes him tick. (30:58) Apparently his pattern predates their marriage by quite a lot. She's coming to Washington sometime the week of March the 4th through the 9th, but at a minimum she would like a call from you. Her number in Virginia Beach is that. I saw your picture in the 35th reunion book, Sailing Off Shady Side, blah, blah, blah. And both of these were Princeton roommates of my husband. This is from the Princeton military ROTC book, (31:32) which has the names of the men who were commissioned in the Marine Corps at the time my husband was. There's George Raymond Griggs, and there's Jim Proctor, who's handwriting in letter to the other guy. And Tom Lewis, I think, is in there. These are just more notes. This is a medical complaint. After I was battered and beaten, I tried to get copies of my pictures. They wouldn't let me have them. From the medical? (32:04) Yeah, they wouldn't. These are just some little things about—it's not that important. I was just writing down things I remembered. I don't think this is really—this is just about some of his background. Yeah, no, this is not really—these are just some legal things. Oh, one—yeah. I had so many break-ins in my house, and this was one, and they always had a Marine, 20-year Marine as a police officer, who would interview me and say, (32:44) oh, well, there's nothing wrong, you're just imagining things. Well, this particular incident, they were SEALs. They were dressed in black. They were amphibious men. My neighborhood is surrounded by water. And not only did they break in my house, in my car, they were interrupted by a neighbor's dog, a Doberman kind of dog, who chased them, and they left my suitcase in Judge Reed's woods. I guess they were intending to get it the next day or something. (33:17) But the interesting thing is my neighbor, Mrs. Cummings, saw them, and she had been noticing the white van, which I had also been noticing in the neighborhood. And she reported it to the police, and they did nothing about it. And the very day that we had a robbery, they had tried to break into her house because it looks out over my house during the day, like the day before. And she talked to the same police officer, (33:50) and he didn't even tell her they were going to break in in my house. And not only did they break into my car, but they broke into my brother's cars. You know, there are all these houses around, and they took some of my brother's things. This is just about what she described to me two weeks before the cars were vandalized. Okay, this is just describing that. Officer Satterwhite. I would send things to Jewel McGee. (34:32) These are just... I had a lot of things going on in my house where they were doing things. Oh, yeah, this is from the alumni list of Princeton. And I don't have the... In other words, the Saudi royals are in the alumni class list, but they're not in this particular one. But if you call the Hun School and you get a list of the alumni, then you will find the Saudis are there. Now this, the CFR list, this is why I have this. (35:16) This is the CFR, Council of Foreign Relationship Members. And all of these I've heard about or met some of them. My husband's mentioned. There's some that are also skull and bones at the same time. It's the Yale leadership crowd. Howard Baker, George Ball. Steve Bell I know really well. He is a friend of my former husband's family. Did you mention him in the interview at all, Steve Bell? No. John Blum we did mention. (35:54) My son is married to his daughter, John Blum. He's a Brooklyn, Yalie. His best friend is this Rockefeller guy. His son is married to your daughter? No, his daughter is married to my son. And they met, his father, they're Jewish, you know, part Jewish. But what's interesting to me is that, see, I married the governor's grandson and my son is John Garland Pollard IV. I mean, you know, you're talking old Virginia. (36:39) I was like a breeding mare for them. I mean, you know, I was a bird of Virginia. It was kind of like, you know, you marry this John Garland Pollard. Well, my son went to Woodbury Forest, which is where George Bush's son went and Oliver North's son went. My son went there for four years and he met Alice Blum, who, you know, they have a place in Maine, a place. And there's a lot I know about John Blum, but I didn't mention that. (37:08) I mean, there's so much. Tom Brokaw's name is on this. Tom Brokaw, Carl Fano, Jimmy Carter, Chafee, Bill Clinton, Cisneros, Cheney, so forth. Oh, Hodding Carter is a real close personal friend of my husband's and a Princeton graduate. Okay, lift this up, too. Yeah. There we go. Carter. And so is William Crow. And who is he? He's a Princeton classmate of my husband's who was in the Carter administration. Intelligence. (37:45) All, all mostly intelligence. And they're not intelligent. Michael Dukakis, Andrew Biddle Duke, Larry Eagleburger, he and Henry Kissinger were good friends. Einhorn. Oh, no, I didn't mention him, so I won't. Forstall. He's the son of James Forstall, who was murdered. Okay. Alan Frost, I know him. Firestone. Gelb. David Bergen. Is there anybody you might have mentioned on that table? Let's see. I'll go real quick. (38:20) I may have mentioned David Hoop's family, so. No. Okay. These are just CFR people. Henry Kissinger. Oh, another good friend of my husband's is Gordon Meyer and Bob McFarlane, really good friend of my husband's. Pelletreau, real good friend of George's. The Pincus family. Oh, Consuela Rice, she's a good friend of my husband's. The Rostos. All four of the Rostos. These are bad guys, major, major bad guys. David Rockefeller is a friend of my son's. (39:03) He came to my son's wedding. David Rockefeller? In Connecticut, he was in Connecticut. George Shultz, really good friend of George's and everybody. He's a big power guy. He knows a lot. He's the one who went to Clinton's and told Clinton not to run, that they were going to get him. Yeah. And had a meeting, and Clinton threw something at him and stuff. Call Sarah McLendon. Sarah was full of that story for a number of days. (39:33) Harry Train lives at the beach, and I know him very well. He's part of the New World Order craft, former. Stroke Talbot, another good friend of my husband's, really good friend. David Stockman. Dave Stockman, he's a Michigan boy. Oh, Casper Weinberger, Cap Weinberger, that's it. Oh, Casimir Yost, I mentioned him. I'm sure that's Mary Clark. This, I think, is interesting. (40:00) This is an intelligence and electronic warfare operations book distributed by the Army. And what it shows me is how arrogant they are about subversion and deception. In other words, this is just a regular old field manual, you know, 1983 or whatever. And deception is so important. And deep operations, deep cover, they don't have the word. Special operations is what my husband was head of, operations. The electronic warfare, an important part of electronic warfare is deception and knowing everything about the (41:22) person, not just knowing about the target. Now, human beings are called targets. Women now are being targeted by the military, wives like me. So they'll have a team finding out everything about my grandparents, my family, you know, who my friends are, to try and discredit me. And of course, everybody who is flagged, who is a target, they'll jam. Jamming is a deliberate radiation or re-radiation of electromagnetic energy to prevent or downgrade the reception of information by a (41:59) receiver. Multi-spot jamming is directed against more than one frequency. In other words, they jam the, I've had my caller ID downloaded, Sarah McLennan called my house and was told she couldn't reach me, it was a military base. MED is conducted, MED is manipulative electronic deception. Simulative electronic deception is SED. MED is conducted by altering the electromagnetic profile of friendly forces. (42:31) It seeks to counter hostile electronic warfare and signet activities by manipulating friendly electronic magnetic emissions. This is done by magnifying the technical characteristics and profiles which would provide an accurate picture of friendly intentions by deliberately transmitting false information. In other words, they are interested in deception as part of their line of attack. Okay, cool. Okay. It just goes on and on and on. (43:24) Well, it authenticates it. They teach you stuff. Yeah. Then those signal pictures you had. Oh, yeah. Snaps. Real handsome guy. His dad was a Nazi soldier, okay, was with the big, you know, elite. His name is Ken Millis. That's his mother, Flo, from Seven Mile, Ohio. Really nice. All right. That's that former Marine Chief of Staff. While my husband's wife is being put in a grave. Let me zero in here again a little bit here. (44:18) Back off a little bit. These are some original letters that he wrote to his lady friend when he was married to his first wife. Okay. Now, once again, the significance here is... He is a Marine colonel who was always there when George would sort of disappear, but he was Chief of Staff. Okay. And the ladies are? His wife and his mother and my husband and me. Okay. Okay. Whoops. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. Okay. The other one shows that you're actually a human. (45:24) Yeah. Dog lover. Yeah. Princeton ashtray. And who's in the picture above? That's his first wife's mother and his daughter and his daughter-in-law with the baby that I just prayed that there would be a granddaughter. And this is Melinda, little Melinda, in front of the dollhouse in our yard. Okay. Okay? This is his first wife. Can't tell you what... With a dog. Let's hold those right about... Oh, I don't know. Let me put something up so you can see. (46:07) How about this? Here we go. Here we go. Just lay them on top of that. All right. I never knew Sue. That's his first wife. Okay. Next. Yep. This is George and his cousin Bob. They're big drinkers in that family. I don't know who the other people are. Okay. This is George in one of his rages. This was in the morning, too, without alcohol. I've got to back up and get focused. That's the raging one, the one we did before. (47:01) Okay. I mean, I'm scared. You're talking major injuries I've had, broken bones. And I reach out for help, and then I become the target. So you're taking a picture while this rage is going on? Yeah, yeah. At risk of my life. Was he aware you were taking the photo? He's in a total unbelievable state. Okay. Next. It's called a bizarre state. This is just, you know, when he walks around nude, when he gets in these stages. (47:33) Okay. I can't help. I don't know. I just don't know how to. This is him again. He'd take a lot of the pictures and cameras. He'd break cameras. Because I was trying to get somebody to help me protect my life. Just get some help. That's all. I wasn't trying to tell on him or, you know, be a bad. I was just trying to get some help. And I was scared. I mean, this is the normal look. He has the look of someone who's a little deranged. (48:08) Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, this is the guy working now for Wilhelm in Florida. I mean, giving secrets away, that's the least of the thing. This is former mother-in-law and me, Cody. There he is in his bedroom. Okay, now, his particular state of mind here is what? He looks a little defiant. Yeah, well, you know, I mean, what's he doing? It's fine if he's a nudist, but, I mean, I didn't know that. He didn't say, I like, I'm a nudist. (48:49) You know, it's just, it's like I was married to a stranger. This is the George that I thought I knew. Okay, I'll tell you about that picture there. You know that little row of thirds I told you about? Yeah. Whoever took that picture did not know about it. Oh, right. They have you on the bottom third, not the upper third. Where was this taken? At the Norwegian Lady statue. Okay. And this had to do, they gave me a Norwegian Viking ship that day. (49:27) That was just, that was a portmaster of Moss Norway, George. Okay. Happy George. This is another, you know, I think we have that one. Oh, let's do a happy George too. Yeah, let's do happy George. This is George on the Millicent's boat with his little Princeton hat, and we're going out on the boat. Okay. And this is, again, the one on the, when he was just, he wouldn't eat food. The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism (51:30) The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism This is Mr. T. Parker Hose, Burma assassin, friend of my husband's, owned one shipping (53:13) agency when he met my husband, knew he was a friend of George Bush's, wound up with eight or nine. Changed from being a Democrat to a Republican to introducing George Bush in 96 when he came to speak to a banquet that he arranged for, ostensibly for John Warner, but when, you know, they did a fundraising thing, you know, you meet George Bush and Barbara, pay a thousand bucks or five hundred bucks, well he, he's a mover and shaker and a nudist and a group (53:47) sex guy. His sons are real messed up, but he's my husband's best buddy. That's it, that's George's, and that's at his farm, and we would go to the farm and George and Parker would go out on the boat for two and three hours, and I thought, what is going on out there, you know? Here's a little thing about T. Parker Hose, became chairman of T. Parker Hose Incorporated, David Weibel, you know, that's just Parker. (54:21) This is his wife, Ann, and I introduced him to her, her, she's my school friend, you know. She's still married to him? Yeah, I mean, he's loaded, you know, she, she wants a lot of money, her, her uncle is one of the guys who went to the moon, Collins. Her grandfather was this big army general, so Parker's, I didn't know Ann was all that well connected to the army. Her, her uncle was head of the army's big, after he retired, library or, you know, their (55:00) records, and her grandfather, Lawton Collins, was the head of Vietnam before, you know, I mean, you're talking major, if you're army, interested in the army, so I introduced her to Parker, and he was just a little, anyway. What's next? Okay. George and, and the, the Earls. Oh, that's the swap. The swap. Swap team. Swap team. Within that picture, he's made a swap. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. She's not standing behind her husband. (55:33) Oh, no, no, and they're not sitting with each other either. They sit on top of the other's lap. Yeah. Now, this is a Norwegian couple, no, you don't need to see that. This is the way he left the kitchen. Yeah. When he took off. Okay. That's his beer machine there, by the way. Okay, this is just us at a wedding. Oh, that's a nice picture. Okay. Validates the fact that you spent time together. Oh, yeah. And there's even a date in this particular photo. (56:02) Mm-hmm. Hang on a second. Ninety-four, 10-15-1994. Let's see. This is a little good here. This gives a summary of his background. You might need a copy of that. This is his whole, it's not really, doesn't go into the operations and so forth, killing operations. You know, when he was in Jakarta and Naples and Shea and Beirut, next page. Mm-hmm. That's it. Okay. I think that's all. You know, when I don't have a pad, I write them on little things (56:45) because my brain won't hold all these funny names. You said you didn't take your pad with you last night. Pardon? You said you didn't take your pad with you. I should have. And I'm just trying to find where in the heck I put that. Okay, we've got her wired. And I am now wired. I know he was called the Commissar, and they called him the Commissar. He was the one who did all of the training for the, well, they had a halo school. (57:19) You know, George told me in the Philippines where they trained the Delta Force, the assassins in the Philippines. They also had a school like that. The Australians had one in Indonesia on an island where they're having a kind of East Timor. East Timor, yeah. Yeah, it's in the mountains, and it was started. Yeah, and the Portuguese are involved in this in some way. Based on your newest lesson, you learned about the line of business. (57:54) We're good? All right, great. We're rolling. We're recording. We are doing it right now.

The Kay Griggs Interviews, 1988, Part 7/8 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped) This series of interviews is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure that's public into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about this interview although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary (00:10 - 00:30) The wife of a former Chief of Staff discusses her husband's role in NATO intelligence and wet operations, specifying that "wet" refers to assassination groups. (01:00 - 01:48) She shares her background, including experience in the Chamber of Commerce and connections with military intelligence, hinting at the intertwined nature of military and political families in her social circle. (02:20 - 03:55) The conversation shifts to notable figures like Togo West and Colin Powell, suggesting a division among African American military leaders regarding truth and morality in military operations. (10:50 - 11:46) She recalls her abusive marriage, recounting alarming experiences of intimidation and psychological torture, suggesting a culture of fear and silence among military wives. (17:30 - 20:20) The discussion touches on military training methods that allegedly involve psychological manipulation and assaults on personal dignity, linking this to broader patterns of control within the military. (21:28 - 23:33) The speaker reflects on the societal implications of sexual deviance and power dynamics in military and political contexts, drawing comparisons to historical precedents like Nazi Germany. (51:33 - 56:08) The narrative culminates in critiques of prominent figures like Pat Robertson, questioning the integrity of military and political leadership while emphasizing the importance of truth and strong women in society. Transcript: (00:10) We are having a fascinating conversation talking to the wife of the former Chief of Staff, Marine Atlantic, head of the intelligence group that went to Beirut, they were already meeting over there, he was before the Beirut bombing, the NATO intelligence wet operations guys, psychological operations guys. Okay, now when you refer to wet operations, WET, does that stand for something? Yes, it means murder assassinations groups. (00:37) NATO has a group of assassins and psychological operations specialists who work in combined operations to destroy targets. My husband tried to explain to me the first three years of marriage, how it all works. I was assistant director of the Chamber of Commerce, I was the first woman on the board of the Foreign Commerce Club in Norfolk. He thought that I was a worldly woman, I had dated a number of guys who were high level (01:10) like Jerry Unruh, who was the captain of the Saratoga, a man who was very high up in the army intelligence in Richmond. I had been married to a governor's grandson, his family were all in intelligence, his father was Harvard economics professor. They thought... You even mentioned that years ago you dated John Engler, who is now our governor. I'm sure it's the same John Engler if he was in the Navy. I dated a John Engler who was in the ROTC in Norfolk, because Norfolk is the largest (01:48) military complex in the world. We have Langley, the Air Force base, which does intelligence work. We have Camp Perry, which is an international intelligence spot. All of the naval bases, the Master Jet Base, Training and Doctrine Command, which is Army, Fort Story. In fact, Fort Story was where the recent Secretary of the Army was told he had to leave. I have intelligence guys who tell me truth, because they know they can't talk. (02:20) I get a lot of scoops. Togo West, who was basically honest, and like Colin Powell, most African American men are not going to condone murder and assassinations and so forth when they find out about it. Togo West... Now, you think there's something... I'm missing something here. The Afro-American man is not like... Generally. Generally. So, you feel that Colin Powell is a different cut of general than these other guys we've (02:53) been talking about? Oh, absolutely. Colin Powell... The wonderful thing about some of the African American men I've met is they'll tell truth. Why would they allow these guys to rise in rank, then? As puppets, thinking that they will be able to make them do certain things, because psychologically they're innocent. They're naive. They cannot believe that our government has got hit squads, that there's group sex going (03:19) on, that they are giving people money in exchange for their services, mercenary training is going on in the Army and the Air Force at the high circles. And Colonel John Ryman, Dr. John Ryman, they have him targeted as a kook. Colonel John Ryman lives in California. He was on the high track up the Rising Star track. He was in Great Britain. He found out about a murder over there. He reported it. He also had the crazy idea that there ought to be a Peace College in Cambridge. (03:55) You know, we ought to really start working towards peace. Well, the minute he got back, he gave an idea, a synopsis of his sort of Peace College idea to Colin Powell and his wife. Colin Powell took it to the National Security Council. When Ryman got back, and I'm not sure of the logistics and the chronology of all of this, but I'm in contact with him, he was put in a flame farm. I think he was put in a place in either New Orleans or St. (04:23) Elizabeth's Hospital, where they put Ezra Pound and where they've got Reagan's assassin, St. Elizabeth's Hospital like the Eastern State Hospital in Williamsburg, has army intelligence people in there. They're targets, people who have decided to tell truth or whatever. In other words, people who believe in the American dream, who are Christians, who are trying to get things straightened out. If they transgress that line where they upset somebody in high command, just like in Germany, (05:10) they all of a sudden move from being a person to being a target. From being a human being, a Christian, a loving, wonderful soul, to being a target, therefore the enemy. This is also what happened in Germany. Why should God make this all wonderful and beautiful? Those of us who have the courage of our convictions and who believe in what Christ did, who stand tall, why should the leaders not be able to speak and tell truth? (05:41) Because it's in the rainbow of truth, the rainbow of individuals who are God-fearing and love truth, in which we can build a better world. So why are good people silent? Why are their papers gone through? I have an interesting... I took some notes last night and I'm trying to... Okay, well they're silenced because they are in a conflict of good versus evil in this struggle. Where's my... Where am I? I need my... (06:19) Oh, no problem. We can find you. Yeah, I need my... Your checkmate book is down there. Oh yeah, this is where I am. Is it in there? Yeah. What's happened to me? What's happened to people like Marianne Fores, Debra Von Trapp, Colonel Sabo's dad? Let's talk about Debra Von Trapp for a second because I've heard the name, but I somehow associate her with something negative or there was some discrediting of what she... (06:46) Is she the same Debra Von Trapp that alleged that the Oklahoma City bombing was somehow Japanese-related? Or is that a different person? Now, she may... I do not know. I've met her on the phone through Sarah McClendon when I was staying with Sarah. Everybody's experience is different. When you're a Christian, when you're a very strong Protestant Christian as I am and you're walking in light, you're walking in truth, you take people at their word until you find (07:18) out that they've lied to you. And if they have intentionally lied, then I just let God deal with them. Do you know what I mean? I don't believe in Satan. So maybe somebody fed her disinformation solely designed to discredit her. Yeah. She... And I do believe this is true. I believe it. I know that she worked in the White House. I know she worked under a man named Getzman and some mob figures in the White House who (07:46) were army. Now, this CIA thing, from my experience, is bogus because every person I've known who was in the CIA was in military intelligence first. For example, my husband. He told me furtively when I saw him in court, I don't work for the CIA. You know, I knew he was telling the truth. He was afraid. He wanted me to know. So the point is, he works under the army. He's totally... He's a Marine Corps, high-level intelligence officer, but he's under all these army people. (08:26) So I'm having to assume that the judge, the lawyers, the commissioners, all the people who are handling my husband when he's around me, because I really believe that he loves me, you know, even though he's under their control. And I think that's why he's been totally kept away from me. His daughter-in-law told me he can't come back because he'd end up staying. You know, it was... The point is that David Lay, my brother-in-law for 20-some years, I married John Garland (08:59) Pollard, whose sister, Mary Lloyd Pollard, married a CIA agent, David Lay. David Lay was Harvard hasty pudding, translates Mandarin Chinese. He's a brain. His family came over from Germany. I think they were Zionists. He doesn't believe in any religion, but he is still working for this intelligence arm. He's doing war gaming for this monolith, this global monolith. He's playing chess by mail. He's writing articles about the Middle East. (09:37) He's an expert on, you know, what's going on in the Middle East from the Israeli perspective. He's army. I was with my sister-in-law when he went on a mission, and she was in the same psychological state that I was in. This is how I know... And that state succinctly is? Keep the women out of it. women, make the women fearful of their own, in other words, make them, I can't describe what I went through except to say that every single Marine wife that I know is in that (10:16) psychological state. Thank God, thank my grandmother for her wonderful Presbyterian background, you know, women are intelligent kind of, you've got the spunk in you or the genes or Jesus Christ, whatever it is, I know truth and truth is vitally important to me. I cannot live a lie, do you know, I just, I can't live a lie, I cannot, maybe I was injected with penicillin when I was an infant, I don't know. (10:50) So like that incident at the officer's club where your husband at the time told you, just get used to it, this is the way that it is, you just can't get used to living some facade and looking the other way as if something doesn't exist. No, I mean, he's sick, my husband's really mentally sick, any man, I believe he killed his first wife, Sue, he's dangerous, we're married for a month, he gets a letter and (11:17) a phone call from Mary Clark Yost to lab and Ann Boucher and you know, naturally a wife who's newly married to a handsome man isn't wanting other women to write and I'm saying, you know, and I've already found out who they are, I've got a master's degree, I'm a researcher, you know, and I'm saying, George, what are you doing hanging around spies? I didn't know about double agents and Kashmir Yost is on the Council of Foreign Relations, (11:46) her son, I'm sure it's her son or her cousin and her husband, as I mentioned before, was a Muslim who was really a turn person on the Palestinians who worked at the American University of Beirut, my husband was sleeping with her, Al Gray, everybody knew this and I didn't know that this is what you do until I called Valerie Wilhelm, General Charles Wilhelm's wife on the phone, now who is General Charles Wilhelm? (12:20) Right now, and let me tell you what she told me, you just have to get used to it, Kay, she told me about, you know, her husband with, I said, George has got another man, Lieutenant Colonel Michael O'Boyle, whom I was told is his boyfriend, you know, and she says you just have to get used to it, she said you just have to get used to it, same thing came from the wife of General John Sheehan, Jack Sheehan, head of NATO, a friend of mine, been (12:50) to parties at my house, and I, see, by now I've gotten my little tape recorder from Radio Shack, you know, and I'm taping phone calls because nobody's going to believe me, you know, so I've got my little tape recorder and I'm talking to Sheehan's wife, well, she's saying, come on over, let's have coffee, you come over at so and so time, so I invite Carolyn Millis, whose husband was the temporary Chief of Staff after my husband's wife's murder, (13:25) Sue, I know Sue was murdered, blow on the head, I had so many blows on the head you can't even believe it, broken bones and so forth, well, in the middle of these terrorism episodes that, you know, my husband would put me through, he would say things like, you know, I'm down on the ground, he's got a .45 to my head or he's strangling me with his thumb on my jugular vein, you know, and he's saying in this sergeant-like voice, you (13:57) have got to believe me, you cannot question me, in other words, it's like, I am being interrogated or I am being, it's the most awful experience to be, to have the one you want to love, the one you have made your commitment with, have you in pinholes and knowing he's an experienced guy, you know, it's horrible and these wives, now I cannot say whether their husbands have done the same thing, I don't think they have, but what they train (14:38) them to do is to be speeding along the highway, it's shock treatment is what it is, I've been told it's shock treatment and they're driving along the highway and you've got an important person to meet or an important party, you know, you're all dressed up or you're going to somebody's house, so he screeches on the brakes, provokes you in some way, you don't even want to fight, you say, I don't want to fight, you know, what is this all about (15:08) and he's just speeding up, going like, you know, 90 miles an hour, screeches on the brakes and then he gets up and runs, it's, you cannot believe, it's horrible. And where did he run to? Oh, there was a party, a Norwegian party, the first time that happened was when we were down in North Carolina with the camera, you know, when he wanted to get my camera, I nearly drowned, he wanted me to tell him where the camera was, he tried to kill me that night, (15:47) to scare me so that I would behave, but I was raised in a family with strong men, you know, you stand tall, you don't let people intimidate you when you know you're right because there are more important things, God is over, above us all, Jesus Christ is above us all, truth is above everything, the Ten Commandments are above everything, you know, under that is Jesus Christ and then your mate, so I put, you know, that's why I put him in (16:19) very high esteem, but I knew he was not normal, I'm an intelligent woman, I read, so I was hoping I could change him, so it was a battle, it was a spiritual battle going on, I knew it was a spiritual battle and I was believing that I could, you know, reprogram him essentially, subconsciously, now I didn't know that at the time, what was going through me, but I was really being tested. (16:47) Of course the many years of operant conditioning he'd been through, fortified and solidified his positions, far more, he was far more entrenched an operative than you were going to be able to undo. Oh, he was involved in the HALO program, the MAC sub, HALO, what's HALO? He mentioned it was something to do with training assassins and training psychological operations specialists, it was in the Philippines, they also had one in Panama, they had a school for army and other guys, where they would strip them down (17:30) nude, they would tie them onto logs, the man who ran the school was dressed up as a Nazi soldier, even though his name was Olenchek or something, he was a Czechoslovakian pervert, and then they had a man who dressed up like a woman who was really pretty, you know, and here are these guys nude, and they're training him to kill, and in fact, there's a book called Copperhead, which I have a copy of, which is all about, it was written by a commando (18:08) guerrilla who was from North Carolina, who had been battered badly, West Virginia I think he was, and his father had battered him, beaten him, well what they do is, in the prisons through this CASA system and so forth, they take the innocent little boys who've been battered by their parents, and they turn them into assassins by making homosexuals out of them or something. Now, I believe that these men are redeemable because I believe that men like my husband (18:43) and Oswald, they're held by the secrecy, by the power of this adolescent group which controls them, and I believe that if they knew that there were strong women, mothers, and wives who would be behind them a thousand percent, they'll have the courage to come and speak out, do you know what I'm saying? Or at least to stop the growth of this stuff, because it's the growth of this stuff they are intending to destroy America. (19:18) Well, there certainly seems to be a growth in homosexual activity, homosexual acceptance, homosexual promotion, homosexual acceptance in our society today, and it just seems like everywhere you turn, you're finding a little group of homosexuals. Even in our local community, I'm surprised how many homosexuals are running businesses, and certain restaurants are becoming homosexual hangouts, so you know, well, the owner must be a homo, he hires homos, and (19:55) I hate to admit that I think this is the way things are in business and banking. In education, oh the local college, university. I've had people tell me that that they're just loaded. You cannot get a job unless you are special, elite, irregular. Now the frightening thing here is number one, this is the underlying thing, this is what happened in Nazi Germany. (20:20) This is exactly the same pattern that happened in Nazi Germany, the exclusion of women and mothers who love their children. Now I'm pragmatic enough to realize and say look, we mothers look at history and we look at the future. We're pretty daggone damn wise. I don't use profanity unless I'm talking to soldiers, but I've learned to use, you know, this is what they listen to. They're really, you know, I can talk sailor talk, I can talk Marine talk, I can talk commando talk because I'm the, you know, little bitch who loves (21:03) Jesus. You know, I mean when you're in the streets, Christ wasn't, he wasn't out there with all the goody goodies. He was out there in the streets. He was out there talking to them, the drunks and so forth. I know how to reach them because I don't mind transgressing into this kind of little verbiage if it, that's what Jesus Christ did, but the danger here is that yes, it's growing. It's a growth industry. (21:28) It's growing exponentially, so what's going to happen? What's going to happen? They're cloning people. You know, do they need women? You know, which women are they going to have? The party girls, the bimbos. In Norfolk, just to give you an example, Lieutenant Governor Dick Davis, Marine, second wife is a prostitute. He loved her very much. She had a wig salon. My uncle, Dr. George Bentley Byrd, was the major obstetrician for everybody in Norfolk, prostitutes, everybody. (22:09) He told, our whole family knows, you know, who the prostitutes are, who goes to the saint and sinners banquets, Judge Richard Kellum. So, I mean, this is a nice guy. Now, the saint and sinners banquet, is this a local affairs? Yeah, yeah. Every town has got this sort of, you know, saints and sinners group, the sleep around group or whatever, you know, the group who tolerates it and has a little fun, and they're all, you know, they're all guys. Well, okay. (22:37) But the thing is, where is it going to lead? This is why women like me, who know, need to be involved in the process of leveling things out a little bit. I don't know whether I'm describing it. When you target good, strong people who know what to do, or who can figure out quickly what to do in given situations, it's like a targeting good people taking their papers, going into the leaders' houses. The leaders who pop up, who are trying to get things straight, are the ones who really know what's going on. (23:33) They're just the people who need to be involved in the process of leveling things out. Because, hey, maybe they've gone off a little here, a little there, but the point is, they know that truth and light is what is going to make that balance work out. And when you marginalize women, target women, mothers, wives, who are strong inside, I'm talking about really core strong, genetically strong. (24:01) Even Clausewitz says that the moral is three to one, over the arms, you know. If they want to win over these little guys, they've got to have credibility. What's happening now and why they're all afraid is, they have no credibility. The SEALs are the worst. They were so afraid about that one little doctor that the SEALs gang raped in Norfolk, why? Because the whole credibility of the SEALs is shot. Okay, I'm not sure, I'm aware of that. There was a gang rape of a doctor by the SEALs? Yes. (24:38) By a group of SEALs? Oh yeah, in Virginia Beach. When did this occur? Oh, two years ago. And the interesting thing is that the parents of this girl, she's beautiful, from Georgia. You know, this is a wonderful human being who went into what used to be Poppy's, it's kind of the night place in Virginia Beach. When I was single, I went there, you know, I mean, we would go there, four of us women, young women, Molly and Sally and myself, and we go there and the doctors would go there, you know, it was kind of a place. (25:19) Well, the SEALs are taking over Virginia Beach. SEAL team four, six and eight. And this gal went in there, one of the men just thought, oh, she's great, let's take her out. They took her out, raped her, killed her. Goodness. Strangled her. And was anybody ever prosecuted? I don't really know what happened because it's been hushed up by the local courts courts who are controlled by Army JAGS and Marine Corps. (25:51) And again, JAGS stands for? Judge Advocate General. And these are guys, all who have been involved in their wives have been handled, gotten rid of their first wife, they're sleeping around with another bimbo woman or another man, they're participating in group sex. C. Lydon Harrell is one. There are lots of them. Who's he? He is a man who was, now I'm not anti-Mason, but I have suspicions about Masons, some of the things that they do in the darkened rooms, and I've been told that. (26:35) Well, it's a secret society, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. But I know that he sabotaged me in my case. I think there's money. Oh, he's the judge? No, I've had a number of lawyers that they sort of said, because, you know, I have no lawyer. I'm trying to fight for all these other women and mothers and for the people who know truth. And because I'm verbal, because I'm articulate, and I'm also gullible, you know, I want to believe that there's somebody good out there (27:09) who's going to help me fight this thing. Because I've got photographs of being battered. I've got doctors' signatures. Sarah McLendon, the senior White House correspondent, has an affidavit where she tried to call my house, and men answered the phone and said, this is a military base, and the Griggs's don't live there anymore. Now, Sarah McLendon could not even get through to my house for two months. She had to go to another phone just to call me. (27:34) So, I knew that all these other people I'd called in Washington were trying to call me, and the phone's calls were being rerouted. Now, that is in this book. This I found in Goodwill. And so, I shouldn't mention this, because they're going to go now start calling Goodwill. But all the intelligence divorces, there are a lot of divorces going on. The wives will throw out their husband's books, or the husbands will throw them out. They're mad at the government. (28:05) But, you know, that's why they've been raiding my library. What's the title of this book? This title book is called Intelligence and Electronic Warfare Operations. Okay. Now, this book is all about what happened to me. Army, Air Force, Marine Corps. Where is the FBI Psychological Operations Unit? Quantico, Marine Corps base. The only FBI agent who came to me, who was allowed to come to me, was Dan McNally, 20-year Marine. Homosexual, I believe. (28:48) I'm pretty sure he is, because, you know, you know, and I'm not saying that he's a bad person, but I am saying that I was not allowed by any other FBI, to have any other FBI agent come and hear about the break-ins to my home, the battering that I went through, nearly killed, the murder of my husband's first wife, serious business. She's in a grave, Suzanne Workman Griggs. She died on April Fool's Day, 1987, and the doctor wanted to do an autopsy. (29:23) Couldn't do it, because the two men who were doctors in that hospital, Dr. Lawrence Smith and Gene Lamb, army officers. They've got their, they owe their life to this. And they take orders. Of course they take orders. The judges, the judge in my case, Judge John Moore, his first wife, was put away because she was telling truth, and I found out. from Carrie Brown, who's an Army officer who had a purple heart, who told me exactly what she told him. Now he's the judge in my case. (30:06) Across the street from me lives another judge, Judge Jefferson Davis Reed, Naval Intelligence. He found my suitcase in the woods. I've known his family since the beginning of time. His sister, Martha Ann Reed Ellis, is married to one of these intelligence guys, Tim Ellis, and divorced. He's now with the federal, he's a judge, he's a federal judge. His mother, her family are intelligence people, not Americans. Tim's mother, they're not Americans. He's a naval officer, taking orders. (30:50) What are all these judges in being under a chain of command? And why are they attacking the mothers and the women who are telling truth? And why are they breaking into honorable people's houses, ministers, and so forth, using these electronic warfare tactics? Diverting phones, downloading caller IDs, having bogus people answer the phone. In other words, instead of getting this person at that number, they get somebody else. For example, I called, in an emergency, I called the state police. (31:44) And I'm pretty smart, pretty discerning, and I wound up talking to a guy who worked for the ATF. And I said, you know, oh, well, what are you doing in the state police office? He said, oh, I'm just a retired ATF guy. And I said, well, well, but I thought I was calling the state police office. He said, well, you're talking to me now, what can I do for you? I said, well, if you're retired, I want to talk to an active duty, (32:16) you know, a good guy from the state police, please. And I said, by the way, I don't like you ATF guys because of what you did at Waco. You all murdered innocent women and children. You ran over them, you shot them, you put tanks on them, and you killed them. You're murderers. I don't want to talk to you. He hung up on me. He didn't like what I said. Well, you know, if he's so sensitive and so defensive, how can you deal with women? (32:47) If you can't cope with truth, this is what, you know, 80% of the American people feel, or 90. Waco was murder, savage, brutal murder. And what they did to that man, you know, Randy Weaver's wife, shooting a mother with a baby in her arms. What's going on here? And one woman hears that, one mother hears that. She doesn't like the ATF anymore. I don't know any woman who likes the Seals anymore. (33:17) I don't know any other mother who really, really likes the ATF anymore. I mean, what's going on here? We're mothers. This is stuff that went on in Germany and fear tactics. So we say, heck, these guys are adolescents. You know, they're adolescents. And so who's running them? Who's in charge? We turn into Dorothy, the Wizard of Oz. What's going on here? So little old mothers like us, we all think alike. And we're all Dorothys now, just marching and saying, look guys, what's going on here? You're all little men from Oz. (34:05) Why don't you grow up? You know? And it can be straightened out. Do you see any similarity in what's going on in this country, in China, Tiananmen Square? You know, we've all seen the picture of the young man standing up in front of the tank. I don't know how much long-term effect that had in China, but it still sticks in the minds of a lot of people here. You know, like Tiananmen Square for China, Waco for America. (34:26) Are there is this a turning point, a rallying point? A man named Mr. Lee, who is an intelligence officer in Norfolk. Mr. Lee is the son of the major banker for the Russian government. He is a, he worked for Dr. Richard Chang, who's also an intelligence operative. I believe he's an honorable guy. He's tall. He's sort of a Princeton, Harvard looking guy. Very, I believe he's honest. (35:14) He came to Virginia Beach and I was putting together sister city organizations and I was trying to get the leaders of all the different ethnic groups in Norfolk to sort of start a sister city program globally. You know, it's easy to do that, but I didn't understand how the intelligence community worked at that point. I knew things were going on and he was bringing together all these potential sister cities in China. Our State Department had opened up cities which were, had independent corporate entities and we had shows on all of (36:08) this. This material's all been stolen out of my house by my husband and his friends. I started noticing, because I was led spiritually to goodness, to good people, to light and truth. I didn't understand the weapons and drug military culture that's running our government and I believe parts of the world. There is not one woman that I know of who's in this business. Who's in this business. (36:40) I believe, and I had the pleasure of meeting your wonderful wife last night, Pastor Strawcutter. This is a woman who's wonderful. This is a woman, this is my kind of woman, you know, and I've met a lot of women like that. We go through hurdles, and I don't mean to cry, but we're strong and we know truth and they're going to have to kill me before I give in. I believe in good men like you. I believe even my husband's core is good. I think that's why he's away. I looked at, and that's why I have this little book here. (37:40) It has the list of the members of the CFR, Council of Foreign Relations. Do you recognize names in that CFR list? All these names that I've underlined, I know. All these names that I've underlined are friends of my husband's, or I personally know. My son, John Garland Pollard, and I hope I'm not jeopardizing my family, but, and I believe that there are some good people possibly in here, so I want to qualify that and (38:21) say they're not all bad. Just because you have to know them or underline doesn't mean they're on a bad list. No, no, but, and I don't have my glasses on. I'm blind as a bat and I had surgery, so I can't hear right. I'm just a, you know, 55-year-old wasted woman. Not at all. But, there are quite a few names here, and it's quite a long list. I mean, we're only at the ends now. This is the, you know, Bill Clinton's on here. You've got the Rostos. (38:51) You've got 11 Coens, you know. Okay, we're at the Zs. You've got Mary Halab's son. I'm pretty sure that's Kashmir. Carl Vorno. You know, you've got a lot of, you've got the commandant of the Marine Corps, whom I have my picture taken with. So, it's an interesting list of elite political, military, banking individuals, and the sons of some high-level people. So, you have all these powerful people in a club that has common goals. (39:46) Yeah, which is global uniting, global control, and I can see how one could sort of get sucked into it. Idealistically, thinking that, you know, it's something that we should, world peace and harmony and everything, I mean, I can understand wanting world peace and harmony, I'm trying to find a name here, but if you're a Christian, which I am, a Christian with a little C, because the early Founding Fathers never capitalized the word Christian, did you know that? (40:38) Did you know that all of the Founding Fathers were homeschooled? Did you know that? Yeah. Madison? I was aware of that. Think about that. Did you know that most all of the Virginian Founding Fathers were only gospel Christians? Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Didn't even read the end time stuff, you know, the Old Testament? Did you know that Thomas Jefferson was a born-again Christian the last, oh, seven or so years (41:12) of his life? Did you know he was corresponding with Adams in Massachusetts? That he took the New Testament and the Gospels and was trying to find out everything that Christ did, and I believe he was murdered, and I believe it was, it had something to do with this Admiral Levy who took a mortgage on his house so that he could build the University of Virginia, so that he could take and get his papers, his correspondence with Adams. (41:52) I believe it was, now I'm the only one you will have ever heard this theory from. My undergraduate degree is in Virginia history. Okay, so the University of Virginia was founded by Jefferson. Money that he obtained by mortgaging his house. From a Kabbalist by the name of Admiral Levy. Levy. Okay. Now, I know that... It is an interesting theory. Of course it is. Dare, dare to think, dare to theorize, dare to use the hypothesis, you know, to come out (42:29) with the thesis. Now, Levy, you mentioned he's a Kabbalist. Yes. And a Mason. Like a descendant of the Illuminati. Of course. And a weapons dealer, and a reserve military officer. Even way back then. They were doing, now think about this. What they're doing today they've been doing for many years. Of course, think about this, John Paul Jones founded, supposedly the founder of our Navy, was a criminal. Why would they twist it like that? (43:08) He was also a Kabbalist, also a Mason. He and the, oh gosh, Lafayette, Lafayette was a weapons merchant. They raise up some people who are sort of questionable. Now, I know for a fact that Jefferson became a Christian. He did not necessarily, he did not necessarily believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, so maybe you could say he's not technically a Christian, but he said I'm a Christian. He was working towards, he was going to Baptist churches, he was contributing to the American (43:58) Bible Society. Do you hear this? No, of course not. Jefferson was a born, again, Christian who was searching for truth, who was murdered, I believe. And at the same day, the same day he was murdered, so was Adams. Think about this. July the 4th. And of course, you're being a Virginian and a, and a, and a student of Virginia's history. Somebody like yourself could dig this out and would dig this out, it would be germane (44:31) to you, whereas, who else would it even be important to? I, I, yes, I was, God, God and my Christ had put me in the most amazing places and times you would not even believe. When I, I studied at the University of Edinburgh, I was in, I received a grant in 19, I think it was 1978, to work on Lord Dunmore's papers. Lord Dunmore was the last royal governor of Virginia. I was invited by the current then Lord Dunmore, Johnny Dunmore, to work on the Dunmore papers. (45:13) No one but John Selby has done any work on Dunmore. So I, I mean, I stayed with, I, I'm not going to mention too much because I don't, but the point is, I know a lot about the triangular trade, the, what was going on in Bermuda. The triangular trade for our viewers. The triangular trade is the illegal weapons, drug trade that is still going on today. Israel is basically running it with the New York bankers. (46:01) It has something to do with Kabbalism because the Pentagon, the symbol for the Pentagon, the brotherhood, they, they feel so compelled to not think for themselves, to sort of depend on somebody else who's more physics oriented. You know, in other words, these guys are so much smarter than I am. They can be doing totally immoral things that, you know, are breaking up families, breaking up, you know, wives and, in other words, they're not looking at the structure (46:38) of the family. They're not looking at the structure of society. They're not looking at the culture, the community, the basic ingredient that provides life, the planet, the trees. They're not looking at anything but sex. And when one perverts and twists, in other words, one focuses on, yes, sex is wonderful. You know, it's great. I'm a, you know, great proponent, but there's so much of a focus by this group on sex and (47:17) the military, you know, they go back to Greek days and they have all these symbols of, you know, the Washington Monument is supposed to be a phallic symbol, you know, and they say, well, this proves, you know, because the Greeks were doing it, the Egyptians were doing it, and it's this secret little group that was, you know, back in the days of Nefertiti and, you know, Marc Anthony, and it just proves that we're just great because we had the Holy (47:42) Roman Empire and Alexander the Great was homosexual and Catherine the Great was, you know. But it's debauchery, the thing that one has to realize is that God knows best, you know. It is an abomination. It is a sin. Now, we've all sinned. We're all sinners. I shouldn't, I don't believe we should be putting people on stakes for doing this. I think God, Jesus Christ said, the simple answer is this, which Mandela said, the simple (48:11) answer is this, just repent. Just show that you're changing your life. You know, I've sinned, everybody's sinned. I don't believe that targeting people, whether you target them this way or that is necessarily, is the answer. Now, I'm, this is just my personal opinion. I am not a judge. I wish I could be a much better judge than any of the Kabbalist male judges in Virginia Beach because they are doing this to women, mothers, who are honorable people, who are (48:48) telling truth. And I would like to hear Hannah Moore tell her truth. I would like to hear Grover Wright's wife, Lynn, tell her truth. These are generals' wives. These are wives of judges in Virginia Beach. I would love to have heard Ken Whitehurst's wife tell her truth. She was shot. You know... Well, no, in Virginia Beach is Pat Robertson. Would you like to see him be a judge? No, I would not. Okay, why not? (49:21) I wanted to believe that Pat Robertson was honorable and good. He's a Marine. Did you know that? Did you know that he went to the Psychological Operations School, whatever that is, at Yale? Now, I'm not saying he's bad, and I'm not going to judge Pat Robertson, but I know that he was under the influence of a Belgian man who is very powerful in this group. I know the one thing I can judge him on is that... (49:55) I will say things, and I know they're going to get me for this. The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism The dresses in there cost, starting at 200 dollars, the belts. These are clothes, basic commodities. Now I'm not saying that that's wrong. It's wrong to have money. As I say, I'm not going to judge him, but from my perspective, the way my father was (50:52) reared, there's a lot of money going on there and Christ, I walk in the steps of Jesus Christ. Now I'm not saying that, you know, I'm not really sure about all this. Everywhere you seem to look and you find the leadership, whether it's in banking or education or religion, there seems to be also this line of military intelligence, Ivy League background that Pat Robertson has the same kind of pedigree as these other people. (51:33) If somebody's going to be the leader of a television big time ministry, it would have to be someone who would be kind of a chosen one to be allowed to rise in that kind of power. And he may, I think he's basically a good guy, you know, I mean, I really, I like the fact that he's promoting Christ. I nearly got arrested there. At the 700 Club? No, no. I went in to use the law library because I'm fighting the Cabalist group in Virginia Beach (52:10) because I was nearly battered to death. I was nearly killed. I am a totally abused, psychologically, physically broken bones wife. Now it says that if you are this way, you just get a warrant and you get your husband to say he's sorry or something. You know, that's all I wanted was for my Marine Corps husband to say I'm sorry that I did this. But if he's got men behind him telling him to do this, they're not going to let him say (52:41) he's sorry, are they? No. If he's got Phil Holwager, the pastor, who's also Yale trained intelligence chaplain with Pat Robertson, who's the pastor that I took my husband to to try and get him to become a Christian. If he's meeting with Phil Holwager and Phil Holwager is telling my husband what to do, that says that Phil Holwager is a programmer for my husband. He's been trained in mind control. And Phil Holwager admitted to me, I've had psychological training, yes. (53:20) And it slipped out, oh, well, I made the mistake and told George, you know. In other words, he let me know that he has power over my husband. So then there's Ty Crowell, who's in the same church with my husband, who is a sailor and he did some sexual things to his son and he had his children taken away. Well, he's in the church and a good guy and everything, but he's a pedophile. Now my husband and I'm sort of taking up Ty Crowell's side because we're in the same Bible (53:57) study. It's kind of interesting. But Ty Crowell and my husband are meeting kind of secretly with Phil Holwager. And then there's T. Parker Host, who's running around nude at his farm enticing my husband out, you know, and they go away for sort of boat trips for two hours. Now I'm saying, as a woman and a wife, what's going on here? All of a sudden we go up to Matthews County where Holwager also has a house. (54:31) But it's also where my grandfather, Miller, was born, so I feel very comfortable in Matthews County. These people were not born in Virginia. Do you know what I mean? And yet they're bringing, all of a sudden, spur of the moment, taking my husband up and then taking my husband away on a two-hour boat ride. Or we get to Phil Holwager's son's house and then all of a sudden my husband's riding home with Phil Holwager in the car. (55:01) It's all been planned. So I'm saying, and this is just before, just after my husband got back from Norway, and I'm trying to remember whether the King and Queen of Norway had come either just before or just after this. It had something to do with the King and Queen of Norway's visit. They wanted to keep me away from the King and Queen of Norway because I believe they're Christians. I believe they're honorable people. (55:31) And I was able to prevail against this group by going to the Norwegian ambassador, who's a wonderful man, and saying to him, and this is where Jesus Christ comes in and God comes in and I know that they're with me because I'm good. And I was thinking about the good Norwegian people who wanted to see the King and Queen of Norway when he came to NATO. And all I did was what any honorable citizen would do, representing the honest little people (56:08) who were Norwegians in Virginia Beach and Norfolk, I wanted them to have a chance to meet their King and Queen. And the State Department didn't want me to do it, NATO didn't want me to do it, the Kabbalists didn't want me to do it, and neither did my husband. But what happened was I was with a solid, wonderful person, Ambassador Kjell Viba. And we went to the Norwegian embassy. This was, I know I'm digressing and this is hard to follow, but Kjell Viba and I were (56:43) sitting at the table with my husband and an intelligence operative named Bill Nelson, who tried to sabotage the Norwegian group that I was running in Virginia Beach. And Kjell Viba, we were planning a trip to Norway in August, which I think was just a bogus sort of thing to kind of, I don't know. To appease you a little bit. Oh yeah. And I knew things were going on with my husband and the weapons sales and, you know, all of (57:17) this stuff. Because he was dealing with the embassy, the American embassy, and with people and, you know, there were things going on. And I knew things were going on, I was sensing it really strongly. So we were in Washington sitting around the big table in the Norwegian embassy with the ambassadors sitting to my right, Bill and Kate Nelson to my left, my husband across the way, and Suzanne Baptist, who is the daughter of the man who started the Sister City Association. (57:52) And we were supposedly planning this trip for the mayor of Virginia Beach and her husband to Norway. And he let it slip, the ambassador let it slip.

The Kay Griggs Interviews, 1988, Part 8/8 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped) This series of interviews is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure that's public into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about this interview although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary (00:00 - 00:35) The King and Queen of Norway visited NATO Headquarters on the day the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded in Norway, raising suspicions of a larger agenda involving powerful figures. (00:35 - 01:04) The speaker discusses her husband’s meeting with Roger Obendorf at an abandoned airfield, linking it to NATO and questionable sexual activities involving powerful military leaders. (01:04 - 02:28) The speaker reflects on her background with various international cultures at school, suggesting a desire for peace and understanding, contrasting it with the violent tendencies of those in power. (09:06 - 11:10) Discussions shift towards Bill Clinton, the speaker's belief in the potential for redemption, and her interpretation of political events as guided by deeply flawed characters within the military and governmental structures. (11:10 - 24:36) The conversation touches on conspiracy theories surrounding high-profile figures, allegations involving assassination, and a history of corruption and murder among military personnel tied to organized crime. (20:20 - 23:39) The speaker claims military conflicts, particularly Vietnam, were primarily for profit and training, criticizing the moral degradation of military leadership. (30:27 - 56:06) Discussions culminate in accusations of complicity and manipulation among military and political leaders, including connections to organized crime in Virginia Beach, systemic corruption in the judicial system, and persistent abuse faced by military wives. Transcript: (00:00) that the King and Queen of Norway were coming to Norfolk in October. And the ironic thing is, it was the very day the Nobel Peace Prize was being awarded in Norway. I didn't know it at the time, but I thought, this is really strange, later on. Here's the King and Queen of Norway are at NATO Headquarters the very day that they're giving out the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, which is where the King and Queen of Norway are. (00:35) And I mention this to Mayor Obendorf, whose husband is involved in this weapons sale stuff, because her husband, Roger Obendorf, and my husband went to this deserted airfield. Roger Obendorf is involved with Andrew Fein, who's Army Intelligence, who tried to take over the Norwegian organization from me when I knew that Andrew Fein does all this group-swinging sex with his wife and with NATO couples. And I'm going, something's going on here. (01:04) Roger Obendorf and my husband went to this airfield. I wasn't allowed. So I knew, because my husband was meeting with other people. In other words, this is big. When you mention NATO group-swinging sex, are you talking about some of the most powerful people in this world? The leadership of this military? Absolutely. And their wives being privy, I mean... Yes. Yes, I'm talking major... I mean, this does not give security to the people of not only this nation, but the people of the world. (01:37) No. To think that people who have the power to kill others, wage wars, send your sons and daughters into battles, these people are complete, whacked out... Degenerates. Degenerates. Absolutely. Let me give you an example. Because I was involved... I love people from other cultures. I went to an Episcopal religious girls' school. And all of my... They had girls from all over the world there. They had a Turkish... (02:07) My chemistry teacher was from Turkey. Her name was Mrs. Kunt. I had a... Daddy Dedean was an Armenian. Turned out he was later a spy. Or they told everybody he was a spy. But he was from Armenia. I had a French teacher who was in the French Resistance. St. Margaret's School is a school for double agents. But it's a great school for girls. Because you're with all these people from other cultures. We had the president of the school's father was a Ramco. (02:44) I didn't know about all this stuff and how they kind of do it. Woodbury Forest is another school like that. I sent my son there. He went four years to Woodbury Forest. Which is where President Bush's son went. Oliver North's son went. It's in Orange, Virginia. I didn't know how it all worked. If it works for peace and Christianity and love of Muslims. Love of people. Give them the right to their own cultures. (03:18) The way the British did. Because I believe basically wherever the British went. I know there's a big hate Britain movement going on. Wherever the Brits tended to go. Whether it was India or Africa. They allowed the cultures. They still wore saris. They still wore the ragheads to protect their heads from the sun. Now they're called ragheads and they're targeted as enemies. By our little boys. Our little boys are taught to hate ragheads. (03:51) And to kill raghead women. Well, I don't think that's very Christian. So I'm looking at the top guys and they're not Christian. So it begs the question, well what are they? Well, that question was in my mind after I was married three years. And I started delving. My own little mismarble. My own little, you know. And I've arrived at the definite conclusion that they are not. They're not only not Christians. But when you have group sex and homosexual sex and orgies and things of this nature. (04:28) By the top people who are running my city at least. Certainly Virginia Beach. I started looking at other military towns and started asking questions. San Diego. The same thing. San Francisco. The same thing. Key West. Everybody knows about Key West. Boston. That's the major homosexual capital of the world. You know, they're having sex on the highways. Guys are parking. People can't even go into the restrooms in Boston. (05:05) Of course, Washington, D.C. That's what's in the Oval Office. Yeah, well, but at least. Now, I don't know about. I know that he is sick and he's addictive. But I believe that. You all will all disagree with me. This is Sarah McClendon. And Sarah is a senior White House correspondent. And I believe he was just addicted to sex. And I believe that he was put into that office to try and control him. But I believe that he has repented. (05:42) I believe he had strong grandparents who loved him who were Baptist. I have hope for that man. Now, I know a lot of people don't. But I do. And I have hope for that marriage. I know she's a strong woman. And I know a lot of men don't like a strong woman. And I believe she loves him. And I believe that basically he loves her. And I believe they love their daughter. And I will say one thing that at least, you know. (06:12) And who knows what their motives are. It's between them and God. But I'm glad it came out for their marriage. Well, at least he doesn't seem to be homosexually inclined. No. Give him that much credit. And they don't like that, you see. That's why the little guy who's, you know, the little short guy. What's his name? The homosexual? Stenopolis. Oh, yeah. George Stephanopoulos. Oh, I met him. See, I went into the White House with Sarah. (06:47) And I met him. He's a little short guy. I even saw the place, the Mambo Jambo room where he hangs out. Right around the corner from the Ontario. Well, homosexuals are one thing. It's an abomination in God's eyes. It is an abomination. It's a weakness. It shows that they're very immature. And, you know, we all go through stages in life where we're immature. And I wish he would grow up. There's a white head who's an ambassador who's a homosexual. (07:22) And his lover is one of Bill Clinton's attorneys from North Carolina. Now, I like the way that man thinks. He's a homosexual, but I like the way he thinks. James Angleton, CIA, was a homosexual. The head of the FBI was a homosexual. Paisley was a homosexual. They murdered him. All the British intelligence agents were homosexuals. I haven't yet arrived at my theory on that, except that it is a weakness. It is a moral weakness. (07:58) It's a way to control people. Now, I say, look. Makes them very controllable. Yeah, I mean, tell truth. Because I've been in situations that I'm not proud of. And I will tell anybody what I've done wrong. I'm embarrassed to say, you know, this or that. Because I've been in situations where I found out that this person, you know, I have to admit I'm a sinner. But the point is when you find out and you repeat the sin, you're addicted. (08:33) They call it addictions. It's sin. And why is it sin? Because you're a weak nature. If you're in a position of leadership, you shouldn't be leading. And admit your errors. And that's why I think Bill Clinton will be stronger out of this. He wants peace in Israel. That's what this is all about. He wants peace in Israel. I did notice that when Hillary made overtures toward the Arabs, whoa. I mean, somebody yanked her chain and that became a major issue. (09:06) I was living in Washington with Sarah McClendon and the Kennedy Warren before the election. If you will remember, a plane went down on his birthday. On whose birthday? Clinton's. I mean, I believe it was a plane. There was a tremendous, I went to his, he had birthday parties at seven different places. It was his 50th birthday. The birthday party in Washington, he was not there. He was in I think New York or some other place. (09:35) But I went to the birthday party, which was in the Kennedy Warren, in the basement of the Kennedy Warren. The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism the Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military (11:10) One of the lawyers at Mary Ann Poore knows. The Motorcycle Society will ask yourself, what do they do? What happens right after the Motorcycle Society meets? Now they'll probably get this and find out, well, we've got to change the time when our Lady Diana is murdered. They have, because I read all the newspapers. I go into Barnes & Noble's and I, you know, of course they're going to cut out all the news and stuff. (11:38) But they had a minor war in the, was it the Netherlands or wherever? They had another attack by motorcyclists on Cyprus. In other words, they're stirring up trouble, murdering people so that they'll sell the weapons. So you really think Diana was murdered rather than just a reckless car accident? Oh, absolutely. There's no question she was murdered. I knew and sort of went out with a guy named Richard Ord and later found out he was married. (12:12) It was when I was single. He was Prince Charles' bodyguard. This was before you married your husband? He was Prince Charles' bodyguard. It's like I also went out with a guy who was divorced, a Marine who was MacArthur's wife's bodyguard. Who turns out to be an assassin, a Marine assassin, who's living in Virginia Beach I think now. But I didn't see the connection with Marines and information. Do you know what I'm saying? (12:47) It's kind of a, I didn't know how organized it all was. Okay, well you gained that knowledge after you married your husband. And then during his drunken stupors, he just blabbed and told everything he knew. Actually, his alcoholism opened up the door for you to find out all this stuff. Absolutely. If he hadn't been an alcoholic. That's why I praise God in a way. I don't praise God that his mind is destroyed and that he's a brutal, he hates women kind of, you know. (13:16) But I think, yeah, I praise God for everything I've gone through. Because every, every, I know by his stripes we are healed. Because I walk in his shoes. I have to as a follower of Jesus Christ. When you're punished, when you go through hell on earth, he is giving you strength. It's not a funny sort of way. It's a very special way. I know I'm going to die. I don't know how I'm going to die. Well, we're going to pray that you stay alive. (13:53) But I love him. And he's just given me all the strength. I'm a weak human being, but he is the truth and the light. And when you walk in the light, you walk with him. And it's not bad, it's great. It's marvelous. Tell you what, let's, why don't we take our first break here. Yeah. And so we can, you might need to use the restroom. Yeah. Oh, I know a lot about John Warner and Loretta Tate and stuff that is really kind of spooky because nobody's ever told this out loud. (14:36) You know, he married Elizabeth Taylor. Warner, yeah. And he was... Go ahead and sit back so we can get you right into the frame here. Okay, yeah. And? He was, there were murders around him. He was having an affair with Loretta Tate, which everybody sort of knows, who was married to a dentist, Randy Tate, who is his secretary or his main person. Hang on a second, I'm going to have to make it up. Randy mysteriously died. (15:12) Randy died mysteriously. What happens is when the guys find out about the mob and that their wives are involved with it, the husbands take off. They go to the eastern shore or, you know, the closest they can to get away from Virginia Beach. But they die. There's a homosexual clique on Virginia Beach that I know about very well, which has to do with the Coast Guard, and it's a long story. But the point is I don't know whether they're the ones who murdered Randy, (15:44) but I suspect that Randy Tate was murdered. George Heilig is another one, I suspect, who was murdered, who was a delegate, very powerful guy, honest. He died, you know, very young. And Dick Obenshain, who was an honest candidate for governor. And Dick Obenshain was running for governor. He was the Republican candidate. He was an honest, honorable guy. Mysterious plane crash. And what happens after Dick Obenshain's plane crashes? (16:31) Well, they have a little convention. Right before the convention, you know, he's the titular guy. Well, Elizabeth Taylor comes into the picture. And never before, they just go right over Robert's rules and everything else. Elizabeth Taylor goes around, a movie star goes around and says, I think you ought to nominate my husband. Well, he hasn't even been involved in the process. Dick Obenshain, who's honest, conveniently dies. (16:58) John Warner comes right in there. They did not want Dick Obenshain in there because he was not controllable. Same thing with Paul Tribble, who's a cousin of mine. I'm a Waring, and his family are Warings, and we're related. Paul was married to Rosemary Tribble. Well, there were some things that were going on, thinking that, in other words, Paul Tribble could not really totally be controlled. They got rid of him. (17:36) Rosemary knew a lot of stuff, and they get rid of the good guys. Murder, I believe that... Well, don't they refer to this as Murder, Inc.? Yes. Well, the Marine Corps are the assassins. The Marine Corps are the assassins for the mob. If you look at guys who've been in four years, let's just take Tedson Myers, for example. Now, he's a very nice person to talk to. He was involved with the founding of Peace Corps with Sergeant Shriver. (18:17) He's from the Brooklyn Bayonne mob. He came from that group. They sent him to Ohio State. Then his fourth year, as I understand it, he did something like truck driving school. Then he goes into Korea and becomes UDT. And then they underwater demolition, in other words, assassin. He's very smooth. The mob in Virginia, Virginia Beach, is very, very strong, very well organized and connected with the military. (18:58) You indicated before that there's a connection everywhere between the mob and military. Absolutely. Whether it's New York or San Diego. The military is run by the mob. The military is the mob. The Marine Corps are run. They're the assassins for the mob. They may only be in, as Tedson Myers was, for four years, but the individuals then go on. The Kay Griggs Interviews-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism in the Military-1998-Satanism (20:20) My husband's involvement with Krulak, Victor Krulak, Al Gray, the Russian double agent who was, I believe, Czechoslovakian or Georgian, who was called the Commissar, who was running everything in Vietnam. He was the murders, the assassinations. My husband was involved with the murders, the assassinations. He was involved with teams that did that. They were training boys to kill, using mind control, using... (20:52) The whole reason for Vietnam or any of these conflicts is simply to use up a lot of arms and make money. Yes. Basically, that's all there is to it. And to train more killers. To use more weapons. Absolutely. To make more money. Yeah. It's a sick, sad, little adolescent boy cycle. These are not grown up. These are little men from Oz. That's what I call them. Al Gray is a sick, little man. Al Gray is a general. (21:19) Was the former Commandant of the Marine Corps. Carl Mundy is a sick, pathetic, lying little man. And he is... The former Commandant of the Marine Corps. Then you have Krulak, who is a son of an agent, of a double agent, Victor Krulak. Not American. These are not... These are men who the Constitution is just beneath them. People like me, their wives, and citizens like you, and honorable people are just beneath them. Because they're special. They're elite. (21:52) Just like the German SS. That's exactly where this specialness came from. Germany. From Nazi... In other words, they took with them the most perverted aspect of Nazi Germany, brought it over to the United States, because over 200,000 of these guys came over. And of that, there were some who were existentialist, humanist, anti-Christians. They hate Christians. You know, what happened to the Nazi... (22:25) The cross of the Weimar Republic was turned this way. Hitler was homosexually recruited in a brothel. He was working in a little brothel. A Kabbalist, Zionist doctor came in and said, oh, you look special and great. In other words, he was one of the many like Oswald who could be used. And they see how they grow, rather than see how they go. They see how they grow, manipulate them. This is why they have so many... The army has so many psychological operations specialists. (23:00) And the one way to keep them is secrecy. And anybody who believes that Jesus Christ... I mean, everywhere you read in the Bible, he talks about openness. Truth is light. You walk tall. You don't hide behind trees and be the snake, you know, in Adam and Eve and be deceptive. Truth frees you. Truth is a liberator. It's your ally. And the power of their operant conditioning is all in secrets. Yes. (23:39) That's the one way to tell if they're evil, if they're weak, if they're cowards or bullies. The one way to tell the cowards and the bullies who are now at the very top of the army, the Marine Corps, the Navy, Gaiman, Hartsog, Abram, Krulak, especially Charlie Wilhelm, who's doing awful things with, you know, men and women. What would... Okay, Charlie Wilhelm, again, he is... Charles Wilhelm I met in Norway. He is my husband's... one of his closest friends besides Michael O'Boyle. They're called Cherry Marines. (24:23) Marines. Yes. Generals? Now he's a general, because they rise to the top. If they're in... if they're one of Gray's boys, and I talked... before I went public, I went to colonels and wives. And boy, I mean, I had conversations, and I'm not going to mention their names, but I had wives tell me when I first found out, and a wife said, it was the most cryptic conversation I've ever had in my life. (24:51) I said to my blank friend, have you ever had another wife? She said hundreds of times. Her husband was a very important person. Very important. So he... and he's working now for Al Gray. Al... well, Al Gray is so... he pulls the strings. It's all New Jersey mob. Where do you think Al Gray was born? Right outside of Atlantic City. My husband was born in Atlantic City. Sheehan's father was in the mob. You remember that big concert that they had back in the 60s, where everybody was smoking pot, and they were doing experiments (25:38) on young people? They had all the public... Yeah, I forget the name of it. ...who did all the flying in of all the bands and the drug dealers and everything, who arranged it all. General Sheehan's father. Oh, Woodstock. And this is the head. You're talking about Woodstock. Woodstock, New York. That's where he's from. Now, isn't that unusual that the head of NATO would be... (26:01) and his brother is doing all kinds of weapons deals and selling things to the military. And I went to his wife's home. They lived in the Virginia House after my husband disappeared. Well, was Woodstock kind of an experiment? Of course, a testing ground for drugs. Of course, it was just an experiment, like the Jim Jones thing down there in... Ghana. Yeah. He was working. I think even little David Koresh was used, because he had a Mossad. He had an Israeli agent. (26:32) They always get away, don't they? The Israelis always are in there, but they get away, don't they? Mandela. I don't mean Mandela. The guy in Panama. Noriega. Noriega. He was an Israeli double agent. Anybody who is Jewish is automatically a member of the Israeli army. They have a joint relationship. How can they be loyal to America if they will shoot ships like the Liberty and it's covered up? I dated Lawrence Geis' son when I was a teenager, about the time I went out with the governor here. (27:27) John Engler. John Engler. I'm sure if he was in the ROTC class, I dated him. I got letters from him. He seemed like a really nice guy. But my love at that time was Tom Williamson. Tom Williamson was a Yalie. His real father was killed in World War II. His mother, who was a Ballantyne, Admiral Ballantyne's daughter, a wonderful person, married Lawrence Geis, who was a captain and then he became an admiral. And I went to the change of command of the forestall. (28:07) I really did like that family very much. And being a Norfolk girl, old Norfolk, grandfather was in naval intelligence. He retired a captain in the reserves. Military doctor. Very prominent family. And I lived next door to my grandparents. I was sort of the good to date this girl. She's a lot of fun and stuff. So I dated Tom and I went to Yale to visit him and so forth with Bob Tate and some of the guys up there. (28:35) Well, Captain Geis, Admiral Geis took over the command of the forestall. He was the head of the whole, everything for the military when the Liberty was bombarded by the Israelis. And one of my best friends, who was a very It's Josie Lennon, Josie Toth Lennon. You talk about a wonderful, she's been through a lot, woman. I've learned a lot of information from her. Josie's brother was on that ship. Did he survive? Of course, no, he was murdered. He was a rising star, brilliant young boy. (29:23) I think about 30 some guys died on the SS Liberty, didn't they? Yes, he was one of them. It's now being run by a group that's holding it down, you know, they don't want it. Why don't you, those Israelis, and yet every Jewish person who's in the military is a member of that army, whatever it is. Now something is very strange here when you have the whole State Department, not one Christian, not one Protestant in the Near East Section, not one Muslim, why not? (29:59) They have Jews there. We have Muslims in the Navy. Why are there no Muslims in the Near East Section State Department? Why are there no born-again Christians, real honest people who are not under some chain of command? Why don't we have anybody who can decide right and wrong, who has to be interpreted? Something is strange when you have a State Department that is run by Israel. Something really strange. It's no wonder there's no peace. (30:27) Do they want peace? No. They want to control all those little countries around there. And one, there was an interesting luncheon, excuse me, it was a dinner that I had over at Carolyn Millis' house with the Marine wives and some of the, well I don't know what they really are, but I thought they were wonderful until this night. I was really caught into this, I was getting into this cult, you know, shh, don't talk, (31:03) don't talk about the go-go dancers because your husband's career, you know, even though, shh, don't tell this, don't tell that, quiet, you'll get, you know. We were sitting around the table and we always would do prayers before dinner. And there was a woman there, and she was from Pat Robertson's place, she was married to a Jewish guy, and I'm not saying that he was bad. I think I met him once. They were at Carolyn's Christmas party, but it was right after, was it Bagan who was killed (31:34) or who was shot, the Prime Minister, the President of Israel? You know, my mind's blank. I know, it's either Bagan or whatever. No, it's not Bagan. Anyway, it was right after that, and it's further sing from my mind, you know, I was thinking, oh, great dinner, you know, this is great. So this woman said, and we were in the middle of the prayer, and she said, oh, just thank you, Jesus, I thank you, God, that you killed Bagan. (32:07) We just praise you for that, you know, this is an evil man, we just praise you, God, that you killed so-and-so. And I'm sitting there, you know, I've traveled, been 20 times to, you know, England and Scotland and known all these NATO people and so forth, and I'm thinking, what did I just hear? Thank you, God, Jesus killed the head, you know, because he wants peace. This is a guy who got the Nobel Peace Prize with Arafat, and I'm going, what? (32:43) So what do I do? And this is one of these moments, these crossroads moments, where you have to take – my culture, which is Southern Protestant, I have to say something. I'm over 50 now, I'm not shy anymore, you know, I've got six grandchildren. I said, just in my nice little way, I said, what? What did you just say? And then Carolyn Millis says, well, we just, you know, he's really, you know – I said, wait a minute, wait a minute, didn't he just sign the peace? (33:13) It was like they knew something I didn't know. And I was trying to say, what? Wait a minute. And I looked around at everybody, and it was like, I'm an outsider, I said – hang on, I'm going to adjust this mic. All right. Too loud? No, no, but just every now and then, this sleeve makes contact with it, and when it does that, it'll go – okay. So I said, wait a minute, I said, wait a minute, I had to get him to – like that go-go dancing (33:42) thing. I had to interpret Jesus for them, because these are supposedly followers of Jesus Christ. I said, do you all – I want to get this straight – do you all mean to tell me that you all are for the murder of a man who wants peace in the Middle East? Just, you know. And Carolyn Millis, always the one, you know, well, you know, of course, so and so and so, you know, well, you know. And I said, well, wait a minute, I think you're wrong, because Jesus Christ would have been (34:23) behind peace in the Middle East and so forth. Well, I was just – you know, you can't trust her anymore. I wasn't going along with the program of whatever Israel wants to do, if they want to kill Palestinians, if they want to sabotage – because George told me that that's what they do. They do a lot of sabotage. They train – they take men who are Jordanians, Iranians, Iraqis, sons of leaders, and they bring them over here, wine them and dine them, and then rev them all up to hate their parents, (35:04) and they give them weapons. What they do is they feed their ego. This is intentionally done, according to my husband, by the Marine Corps. I mean, it is a – they train them, they take them. Well, this is an interesting point. Things that your husband has told you specifically about the training techniques, this is, right from his mouth, this is what is done. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Essentially, because the objective is to get the goal, whatever it is they want – Machiavellian (35:36) or, you know, Clausewitz. And of course, my husband was reared – he was suckled on Proust, Sartre, Camus. If you want to read his thesis, it's in French. It was written by Totevay and, you know – but it's at the Princeton University Library. You can read what my husband believes. Now, this is the chief of staff of the Marine Corps. This is a guy who writes with a purple pen, which means homosexual, arrogantly so, writing (36:05) with a purple pen. Al Gray, he's working under Al Gray, called Gray's Boys. This is what they call them, Gray's Boys, all homosexuals. Cherry Marines. There are books on Cherry Marines that I've got. Everybody knows about Cherry Marines. Now, if you have to be a Cherry Marine to get to the top, and then you read about Krupp and the German High Command, and you know that they're using the same word, special, (36:36) special. You know that they changed the eagle to be the colonel and the captain. You have to get an eagle. And that started when all of these people started coming over to change America to be generic, no more of a Christian nation. And that started the head of the Marine Corps, who was a Kabbalist, Zionist. In the 1860s, 1850s, you can do your research. When did they make – change the Marine Corps emblem from being, I think it was a bugle, (37:13) to having an eagle on top of the world? And who was the commandant when that happened? Ask that question and find out the answer. And then wonder, like I do. And George told me, he said, you know, we've always been the murderers. He said, you know, why do you think we have the red line down our pants? And he said, now we – because he was trying to interpret for me. We have this X on top of our hat or something, you know, it had something to do with target (37:46) practice. I spoke to his uncle Dick Griggs, who also works for the mob, the intelligence community. It has something to do with the schools. They have money, limitless money, I believe it's mob money, for poor boys who – to go to these fancy schools. Uncle Dick has a little computer, like Roger Obendorf does. Uncle Dick. George's uncle, Richard Griggs, who became his father because they were trying to get (38:18) him away from his father. He was away from his parents for eight years. His uncle handled him. His uncle is getting money from this group. He used to be just a schoolteacher in Princeton. But he has two sons, Bob and Jeff, who were like my husband's brothers. Now, what does Bob do? That's the question of the century. What does Bob do? Bob handles an account for my husband. And I started asking questions about, well, where is this? (38:56) Bob moved from Princeton, then he moved down to Oklahoma City, he was near that Augusta Golf Club, and now he's in Colorado, and he's handling this account that George has money in. And I see papers of my husband's after Beirut. In other words, he'd done a job, and it was a civilian job. Now, here's a colonel in the Marine Corps doing a civilian job, TAD. TAD. It's where they go off and do a job, sort of undercover. (39:35) George says he's had so many different passports with different names. I'm getting mail from an Engelhardt. He's got accounts now for an Engelhardt. I get mail from a Princeton private account, from Merrill Lynch is involved with the mob. They have rogues in there who launder cash money. They have people who launder cash money in Norfolk. I know some of the people who handle the cash. No, your husband? Drug money is in cash. (40:06) Your husband is Jewish? No. Oh, okay. Oh, no. He's a German. He's the son of a German family. But his father was in Atlantic City doing very shaky things. In fact, his father's father, I should say, not his father, take that back, but his father, Ray, was a weak, precious little man. And I liked him. Nobody listened to Ray. The mother ran everything. The mother was strong, domineering, bossy. And I must say she was not attractive, but Ray was handsome. (40:52) They married. They had three boys. I know she had to get married, the older brother, but in those days it was very embarrassing. Well, Ray didn't have anybody. Ray was essentially an orphan as such, although he had lots of brothers. But let me tell you what Ray told me. I was in California with his mother, George's mother and father, staying at his brother Don's. And everybody, you know, the world revolved around mother, (41:30) but Ray had a lot of wisdom there, and I was anxious to know what really went on in New Jersey, why they left New Jersey, why they left Atlantic City, what happened in Lawrenceville, why George was put in this school and not seen for eight years. What did happen? All right. It had to do with the fact that they were poor and desperate, that the sister, Rhoda's sister, George's mother's sister, married someone high up in the intelligence community. (42:02) He went to the Presbyterian school or something like that. But Ray had been in prison. George's father had been very shortly in prison in New York, and you don't talk about that. Ray had seen his mother run over by his father with the girlfriend in the car who wound up being the stepmother. You don't talk about that. There were seven boys, I believe. Ray was right in the middle. All of these pictures have disappeared from my house. (42:33) Supposedly my husband has never come in to the house. All of this, the pictures of assassins like Rockland Williams, you can't believe the things that are slowly being taken out of my house. Why? Obviously, so that your credibility can be intact if you ever tell anybody about this. It's a miracle you got up here with the pictures that you did that we're including in this video. Absolutely. It supports your credibility. (43:09) It's just a shame this video wasn't made a year ago. I know. Or 18 months ago. Yes. Because pretty soon they'd have me not even married to George Griggs. If they could destroy all the records. Of course. It's possible to do that. Of course. Because I think it was Orwell said that he who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. Absolutely. So those who control the present can modify the past any way they want. (43:43) In fact, they could erase you right out of the picture. Why do you think we're in computers and everything's on computers? All they have to do is, I had tapes. I bought a little Radio Shack tape, and I taped General Gray's conversation with Gray's wife, Jan, who said, oh, we don't know where George is. We don't know. And I talked to General Gray on the phone. If they don't know where my husband is, and he's working for Charlie Wilhelm now, (44:12) what does that make Al Gray? After I've been battered and I'm calling, I've got pictures of bruises, hematomas, broken foot, putting a .45 to my head, laughing at me while he's standing over me with my arms in pain, chasing me in bathtubs. So I'm hiding and saying, please don't kill me, while he's laughing. I took diaries and so forth. Why do they want my diaries? Why don't they want my evidence in the court of this? (44:46) And I've got it right there for Judge John Moore, who's a commando. Why does John Moore kind of giggle at me? What is so funny about being battered as a wife, when his first wife is dead in the grave? Well, what's funny to them is that it doesn't matter what your claims are. They're in control. That's it. The chickens can do anything they want, as long as the foxes are all in goose. That's it. And why I have a transcript at the first commissioner's hearing, (45:15) and Colonel Barry Cantor, who is a Kabbalist, who lives right around the corner from T. Parker Host, who's a commando assassin mob guy, brags about it, who now has about seven or eight agencies and is a friend of George Bush's, all of a sudden. Barry Cantor, his office is right next to George Sharp, and they are persecuting me in courts, right and left, and it doesn't matter what he says. It's like he's just totally, you know, so it doesn't matter. (45:49) We'll just ruin you. And then, so I find another lawyer, and his name is Doug Ballard. Ballard. General, what's his name, up in Washington gave me Doug Ballard's name. And I thought this, I still think he may be an honorable guy, and I'm trying to remember his name because he's talking about a lot of stuff that's going on. Ballard is a name that has connections to the Deep South. Well, Doug Ballard went to VMI, (46:23) and I knew Doug Ballard because he was a law partner of Philip Purrington, whose brother Charlie I knew, and I liked Charlie Purrington. When I was dating my first husband, John Pollard, they were best friends, and I went out with Charlie a couple of times, but I was, you know, I was making my debut, and, you know, I was kind of, Charlie was just a good friend, and still I like him. And I introduced him to his wife, and they're still married, (46:56) and she's a Carolinian, he's a Carolinian. Well, Doug Ballard was in law practice with Phil Purrington. Well, so I went to Doug Ballard, and I heard he was a Christian. And I got a lot, I got the information from Paula Ballard about Obenshain's murder from Paula Ballard, and I, because Paula was very involved with the Republican Party back when Obenshain was running for governor. They were insiders. He was an Army intelligence person who was doing business with the Saudis. (47:34) He was up in Washington with Oliver North, and that whole crowd, Doug Ballard was doing business, illegal business, money laundering. But I was attracted to him because General Ben Parton said, maybe this guy will help you. General Ben Parton gave me Doug Ballard's name. Do you think Ben Parton is a good guy or a bad guy? Well, now I don't know because what I was set up, or maybe he didn't set me up, but I went to Doug Ballard, (48:10) and, you know, he's a shyster. This guy is crooked as they come, or either very weak, and I think that goes along together. him about the things that have happened to me, and keep in mind he's Army. He's Army Colonel, VMI, but I didn't know what I now know. And VMI again is? Army. Kabbalah. But VMI stands for something. Virginia Military Institute. Because Benton Parton is very well known in certain circles now for challenging the Oklahoma City bombing. (48:45) Okay, well then I believe in him. I think he just didn't know what I know about Doug Ballard. Because I think he heard Doug Ballard went to this Born Again church, and his wife is all this Born Again, which is great, because I'm born again, but let me tell you what happened. And they may have been persecuted. They did go through some persecution, but what happened was, and maybe they know too much, but what happened to me was this. (49:18) Because he is part of the Brotherhood. Doug Ballard is. I trusted him with my file. See, Barry Cantor, my husband's lawyer, is an Army Colonel. Ballard is a Colonel. The judge, John Moore, is a Colonel. The commissioner, two of the first commissioners were Colonels. Andrew Aggie, who is mixed up with Crooks in Virginia Beach. He's a commissioner in Virginia Beach. Then there is the first one we were going to get. (49:58) No, Aggie was the first one we were going to get Army Colonel reserves. Then there is the former Commonwealth attorney, Andrew Evans. He's in the Masons, and I just talked with his wife not long ago, and she was shaking her head like, yeah, I know all this stuff. I know all this stuff. Well, there's a Brotherhood, and Andy Aggie and Andrew Evans, who is a Commonwealth attorney, they're part of this Brotherhood, and they were going to judge the case for me. (50:38) Then we get the third guy who was in the House of Delegates, Ned Caton. He is a Coast Guard JAG intelligence guy. So finally, we choose Ned Caton to go because he had done work for us, and I don't think that's really right. The point that I'm trying to make is that every single one of these men who are judging a battered wife, almost killed, first wife dead, do something with the husband, bring up the battering, it's handled. We go into his quiet, secret office. (51:14) I think I have a lawyer giving him $1,500, and he's one of these society lawyers, and he doesn't want to mention anything about the abuse for some reason. I'm sort of being flim flammed, you know. This is part of the divorce proceeding, or did you bring a separate cause of battery or this is all the divorce? I did the battery. See, I started everything. So you filed a criminal charge? I filed a criminal charge. A battery? Battery. (51:59) Because, you know, you're indoctrinated to believe that if your husband's a perpetrator, my husband is a gross perpetrator. So you were seeking civil damages against him? No, all I did was take out a warrant to have him brought back. I see. And that's when the 20-year Marine police officer came in, the 20-year Marine FBI agent came in. When I went to the police head, chief of the police, Chief Wall, who's a very nice man, I have a friend who got me in to see him. He said, this is big. (52:36) This is way over my head. But he assigned a wonderful man named Bill Dean to me to call anytime. And I must say, this is a wonderful man. I could call Bill Dean anytime. And I mean, there are some good people, probably in the Masons. I don't know. But there are some good people. But the problem was, he can't control it. Now, why, if you're a Mason, why can't you control battering of military wives? That's the question I ask myself. (53:19) Why is it that they cannot control a perpetrator who's killed his first wife and I've nearly been murdered? Well, the answer is hierarchy. Okay, right. So I start saying now, in Virginia Beach, if the chief of police has no power, if Bill Dean, who's head of the CID, has no power, I'm looking and wondering, okay, I'm a battered wife. And I start meeting other high-level battered wives in the courts who are having the same treatment by Judge John Moore and Barry Cantor and Andrew Aggie and Grover Wright, who battered his first wife, Lynn. (54:09) They made it spread the word that she's crazy. Lynn Wright is not crazy. Grover Wright was running around with Ann Wood and wound up marrying her. And Ann Wood is now a blimp. Grover Wright is a perpetrator. John Moore is a perpetrator. He's now married to a girl who's in my garden club. And, you know, he was a commando, guerrilla. His father was a general in the Coast Guard, which the mayor's husband is a colonel, a captain, whatever, captain in the (54:47) Coast Guard. So there really is an elite clique that runs everything. Absolutely. And it's not the CIA. Is there a name we can give this group? Well, George calls it, in his diary, he calls it members of the firm. He called it brotherhood. He mentioned the old guard army. It's army. And it's White House. Did George ever talk about... But the presidents don't know about it necessarily. Okay. (55:26) Did Oswald, or did your husband ever talk about Oswald in terms of knowing anything about his handlers or how that was? Yeah. The way George talked about Oswald was the way he... When you communicate with an alcoholic like that when he's drinking, and he's been totally battered, mind controlled, but is fed lots of money, being poor and so forth, a woman, 55% of what people say is verbal. And then you learn to read the non-verbal. George was diarrhea of the mouth. Verbal. (56:06) But when I mentioned, it's like when I mentioned the word General Jim Joy, I knew it was General Jim Joy who had authorized the terrorism of my life. I know it is General Jim Joy, General Carl Steiner, General Hartsog, General Abram, General Gaiman, and Sheehan. I know. And Krulak, Krulak, Krulak, Krulak. These men are the ones who are perpetrators. They've bugged my phone, downloaded my caller ID. They have authorized and given money to people like Tedson, well not Tedson Meyers, but certainly (56:57) Alexander Robinson, Erne Reynolds, Fourth Marine, Jag, worked for the Justice Department. The Justice Department is involved. There are rogues in the Justice Department who think they are handling people by using cruelty, tricks, psychological games. This is not the way you handle a nation. Women know this. Mothers know this. You mentioned New Orleans. It's kind of a center of mob and mind control. Illegal criminal activity. (57:32) Did your husband ever mention any of the people there? Yes, he did. In fact, he went down there. He went down there with General Gray, with Michael O'Boyle. During the time of 63? Oh, he was always going down there. And Michael O'Boyle was going down there. Well, your husband was a young man at that time.

Kay Griggs was married to Colonel George Griggs, who ran special operations for NATO and his tenure included the Beirut bombings. Her husband had many vices, and while he was drunk he would disclose secrets to her. She reveals a shadowy network of a global mafia with occult traditions going back to Ancient Greece (or perhaps earlier). This global cabal, which her husband referred to as "the joint," works directly with the highest level military intelligence agencies across the world, even of governments that publicly are "enemies." Degenerate sex parties, drugs, trauma based mind control, massive underground bunkers, etc. are all involved. We learn again that war is indeed a racket. Wars are mostly created for show, to steal resources, sell/test weapon systems, to train assassins, launder money, manipulate markets, act as distractions, create black markets -- that sort of stuff. The Kay Griggs interviews, which this is the 3rd set (I believe), is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about these interviews although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary Show Introduction (00:30 - 01:22): Host Jeff Rense introduces the show format and expresses intent to bring truth and reality to listeners, mentioning the lineup for the evening, including guests Kay Griggs and William Rodriguez, who both have significant stories to share. Introduction of Kay Griggs (02:02 - 02:31): Griggs joins the conversation, discussing her ongoing story related to her ex-husband, a Marine colonel, and her past experiences with military culture and operations. Background of Kay's Story (03:13 - 04:26): Griggs shares her complications due to death threats linked to her husband's military background and discusses her connections to notable figures, such as William Colby, and the support she received from Sarah McClendon. Military Corruption and Brotherhood (07:46 - 09:07): Kay describes a secretive brotherhood within the Marine Corps, emphasizing the protection and corruption that operates at high levels within the military and government. Discussion of Military Assassinations (12:29 - 18:23): Griggs details her ex-husband's admissions about military operations, including discussions around assassinations and operations, such as the involvement in the Waco siege. Commentary on Plane Crashes as Political Tools (19:00 - 23:06): The conversation touches on how plane crashes are utilized as covert political actions to eliminate perceived threats, citing examples like Ron Brown and Paul Wellstone. Final Thoughts on Zionism and Control (54:06 - 59:55): As the program closes, Griggs expresses her views on the influence of Zionism in American politics and historical events, suggesting a deep and organized conspiracy behind prominent political assassinations and incidents throughout American history. Transcript: (00:30) Alright, welcome back. Boy, it's hot out there, need I tell you. Hope you had a good day today. Hi again, and welcome. I'm Jeff Rense. We are here with you Monday through Friday, coast-to-coast, 7 to 10 p.m. Pacific, 10 to 1 a.m. Eastern, on the Genesis Communications Network, and, of course, on the Internet as well, into our twelfth year now of trying to bring you a look at reality, truth, and to give you the opportunity to make your own decisions. (01:22) We have an extraordinary and unforgettable program in store for all of us tonight, as we will spend some time with two truly heroic Americans. First, in just a few moments, Kay Griggs will join us, whose most recent interview is at the top of Rense.com. Many of you have read it. If you haven't, I urge you to do so. And then later on tonight, a conversation with William Rodriguez, the WTC North Tower janitor, survivor, hero, and eyewitness to the massive internal explosion, clearly a bomb, that went off before the airliners struck that tower. (02:02) This is an amazing story. We have two extraordinary people tonight, so sit back and prepare to hear things that your mind may tell you just cannot be true, but in point of fact, they are. Welcome to Kay Griggs, first of all. Hello, Kay. Can you hear me all right? Can you hear me? I'm at another phone. Oh, you sound like you're just fine. Oh, good. Not a problem. Good connection. Your story has been written by the just superb writer, Greg Simansky. (02:31) He really is. He is a man who has dialed into an awful lot of crucial truths lately and has written and presented those truths with extraordinary acumen. It's amazing to read his works. Time after time, he continues to produce remarkable journalism. You've been talking about your story now, and it is quite a story, for over 10 years, I guess 11 years now. Well, not really in the press, just to friends around here, because I didn't realize it was on the Internet until just recently. (03:13) Oh, really? Yeah. Well, it's there, my dear, and you're famous now. When did you first go into a public format, a public venue of this? I mean, seriously. I know you did a radio program a long time ago, but was it, I guess, Greg's article, or who was first to really put you in print? Well, I honestly don't know. I had death threats, and when I went up to Washington, I was invited up to sort of a safe house and to talk to some, I guess they were intelligence people at the press club, (03:50) who were friends of the senior White House correspondent, Sarah McClendon, who knew I was telling the truth. And I had spoken to William Colby, who was a friend of my uncle Ben's. They were at Princeton together and also in the same secret society or eating club that my husband was. And I felt very secure having talked to William Colby after the death threats and the house break-ins and everything. And then when he was missing, his canoe was turned over and he was gone. (04:26) What a story. And that's when I just really, I guess, went haywire and started calling people I thought I could trust, and I got Sarah. Well, you got a great one. Oh, yeah. I lived with her for a long time up there. What an amazing, amazing woman. She saved my life, really, literally. Well, her work over the decades has probably saved the lives of many people. Oh, she really has. She was just the greatest kind of patriot, just like my grandmother, and really sincere and highly respected. (05:06) I think people feared her truth. I think you're right. I had her on the program once some years ago now. She's still active? She died last year, sadly. She isn't. That was some funeral at the press club. It was just totally jam-packed. I wondered if she was still active. I didn't know. Yeah, she just died. She's in her 90s. Yeah, I know. Brilliant. I think she was on the program when she was 86 or something like that. (05:33) Yeah, just a great lady. Anybody who's watched television in the past, how many years was she sitting in the front row at those White House press conferences? Well, she was there for the Roosevelt administration. Right. She was the first one who sort of got women into the press club because it was an all-male enclave. Sarah and Helen Thomas, they were sitting in the upper regions, just like African Americans used to do in the churches. (06:03) It was Margaret Thatcher who said, Why are they up there? Really, Margaret Thatcher working with Sarah. Anyway, they finally got women to be allowed to become members. Now, for our listeners, let me just read a little bit from Greg Simansky's article about what we're going to discuss to give them an idea, a little bit of background. For 11 long years, Kay Griggs heard all the messy details from her military husband, usually while he was drinking, before going into one of his drunken stupors. (06:38) First going public in 1998 in an eight-hour video interview with a truth-seeking Michigan pastor and FM radio broadcaster, she is now back after September 11th to warn Americans to beware of the evil. And boy is it, looking within the highest levels of government, bound and determined to destroy this country. Kay Griggs knows what it's like to have a gun pointed in her face. She knows what it's like to have her face slapped, her bones broken, and her nose bloodied by her former bully of a husband, an active Marine colonel, (07:12) and a man who she claims is above the law and literally gets away with murder. This is a story, Kay, that is probably going to be almost unbelievable for some people, but that's okay, because most of this audience will be right with you every step, so just know you're talking to an incredibly enlightened group. Well, it's true. They feel they're totally above the law, and it's a brotherhood in which they protect each other. (07:46) Is this brotherhood, it's certainly not restricted to the U.S. Marine Corps. No, but the Marine Corps, there's a group within the Marine Corps who have gone to Princeton and Annapolis and so forth, who are in the upper echelon of the Marine Corps. You wouldn't have found an Oswald in this group, although he was in the 4th Marines, but it has to do with friendships and where they went to school and the secret society or the eating club that they went to and which college. (08:27) And then there are associations in Vietnam and the shape NATO, SACLAN, Defense College at Rome experiences. I really believe that Rummy went to NATO when the Nixon world was falling in, which saved him and protected him. It's an international brotherhood, and it is Masonic, very much Masonic. So it is the Masons, but again, for you Masons out there, it's something way above the levels you're familiar with. (09:07) Well, you know, the Freemasons have a ladder and they're always climbing because they're very insecure. And they can't, you know, it's addictive. They just want to get another medal, another, you know, to make themselves feel confident because they don't. This is above 33rd degree. Yeah. He had all sorts of medals. Steiner, Carl Steiner and Mark Clark. You know, it's General Mark Clark. Yeah, he was. He was very corrupt, believe it or not. (09:43) Another American hero, so to speak. So to speak. Yeah. So who are these people? It's an international group. The so-called Illuminati, the globalists, the New World Order. Yeah. Are these people, this particular group, group Are they an enforcement arm of this Illuminati? How do they tie in? Do you know? They are. Well, they're connected with the Joint Chiefs and the NSA and the White House, but George told me that really they wear different hats and it really doesn't matter what hat they (10:19) wear. I see. He had different passports with different names. I felt as though he may have even had a double, but certainly he admired Rummy and he even had a stand-tall desk when he was at FMF Lant just because it was like something Rummy had. He had a driver like Ike had, like Kay Somersby. He just was, I don't know, bless his heart, very insecure and robotic. Well, it's nice of you to speak to him that kindly after the life he led. (11:04) How many years? We have to go to a break. How many years were you married? Well, we were married for 11, but he disappeared the last couple of years. It was a very strange divorce. I understand. The 11 years, you were married, but it wasn't a marriage as we know it. Well, it was for a while. It was like Gunther Rothbacher's sort of marriage. Oh, yeah. I know all about Gunther. But George was like Gunther, but he didn't have to go abroad. (11:37) I spoke to Gunther one time. Interesting. All right. Stand by. We'll be right back with Kay Griggs, our first two special guests tonight. All right. Let's get right back to our special guest, Kay Griggs. If I may, Kay, if you don't mind, I'd like to read just a little bit more from Greg's article to not only acknowledge him, but to give our listeners a little bit of a feeling of the breadth of this incredible panorama of horrible things you were exposed to for (12:29) a long time. After renting the main portion of her house to Colonel Griggs, the couple dated for two months and were quickly married, a speedy decision the young bride would quickly learn to regret. The story of the couple's courtship is of little importance, but what happened afterwards regarding the colonel's drunken ramblings takes center stage. Said Kay, he started drinking, did a lot of heavy drinking, and at first I thought I could (12:55) change him, said Griggs, who listened closely over the years about her husband's role as a military assassin and his role as a military trainer who brought new young assassins into the fold. Again, Kay Griggs. He started talking openly about murder, corruption, assassinations, and lies. It was just incredible the names that were involved and the people who were being killed. He gave me very detailed and graphic descriptions about how Waco was carried out, as well as (13:26) how many other hits went down, including Malcolm Kerr, the head of the American University in Beirut, and Ron Brown, who was trying to take away the State Department's monopoly on drug money and arms deals. Now, there are several things to talk about right there. There's so much of that going on that people don't realize as far as buying and selling weapons. For instance, we were in France one Christmas, I think it was 1995, and he had prearranged (14:01) a meeting with an Australian Brit and a Chilean member of their Secret Service who had a place there. We were at a place called Testino de Montmirail for two weeks. The guy was an arms dealer. In other words, they will sell American weapons through an Israeli group, and it's to confuse people. They will use the Israelis. Americans will use the Israelis, or rather, the Israelis will use the Americans. And then they have people like, there was a couple of men, Gorbanifar and another guy (14:45) who were friends of George's, because George had, of course, been to the Hun school with the Saudi royals. Now, that's H-U-N, the Hun school. Yeah, and you know the king just passed away, but try to find out in the press about the three royals who went to the Hun school and then to Princeton. It's rather hard, but if you contact the school, they'll tell you about it. In other words, these early friendships that George and guys like Bob Edwards had in high (15:24) school, and then going to Princeton and getting into cap and gown, which was the one Rami was in, and Colby, and you know, Schultz, Carlucci, Dulles, Allen Dulles. It's a very small group, and Dulles, I believe Allen Dulles was the one who really was responsible for bringing Rami in, Carlucci in, my husband in. My Uncle Ben had been in that club as a football star, and I, you know, I thought it was God. (16:02) I just thought, well, George coming into my life, you know, it was just exactly the same hoop, those were the hoops that my Uncle Ben had gone through, and his parents were killed. But George's parents were just sent away for eight years. So, you know, I began to connect the dots and think, you know, these are young boys who don't have parents, they're poor, although Uncle Ben had a little bit of money, but once (16:31) his parents died, it was gone, and they're all in scholarship, they're all dependent on ROTC scholarships. They have no careers, like the wealthy guys at Princeton, so they're really dependent on the political, military hoops and people to promote them, and Allen Dulles really pretty much oversaw their initial getting into political spheres of power. I think the underlying point here is that murder means nothing to the power brokers (17:11) at the top, and it is commonly used as a political, economic, and terrorism device. There's a true terrorist, anytime and anywhere they want, it seems. It's arm's length. It has nothing to do with the politicians who want the person, or the intelligence, high-level person who wants to get rid of this troublesome guy. And they're all, in other words, they were German individuals who, and I'm not opposed to, you know, Germans are fine, but there were a lot of German SS who came into this (17:51) country, I know because my grandfather was involved with that as a naval intelligence doctor here in Norfolk during World War II, and I never thought about that. But when George was talking to me, and I knew his family were German, and I started thinking, well, you know, you're killing people, and this is, in other words, it was institutionalized what he was talking about. All right, I understand. Structural to the system. (18:23) Yes. Vital to the system. Vital to the system. Vital to the system. Yes. All right. Ron Brown. What is your understanding about how Ron Brown was killed? Of course, that whole plane was brought down. Yes. A lot of these, George would talk about plane crashes and how easy they were just ways to get rid of a small number of people. He said it's much better to have a plane crash than to have a war. In other words, he was rationalizing and saying that plane crashes were normal special operations (19:00) that they did in order to... Surgical precision to remove problems. Exactly. He called them surgical. He used words like surgical and neutralization. But in other words, it was just a matter of fact thing, and it just had to be done, quote unquote. I understand. All right. Stand by, Kay, if you would. We have to take a very short break. We'll be right back and hear more from Kay Griggs. We'll be right back. Kay, if I might, I want to go back to the Ron Brown assassination and plane crash, which (20:16) killed close to 50 people altogether, something like that. Individual researchers working very hard put together a very plausible scenario about how that plane was brought down with incorrect ground data in terms of bad weather. They flew it into the top of a hill. Apparently the first people on the scene found at least one survivor in the back of the plane, a military stewardess named, I think, Shelly Kelly, who apparently was walking around. (20:46) She died after being evacuated, allegedly from a loss of blood, very mysterious. Ron Brown is said to have been found with a hole in the top of his head. The autopsy films of his examination, of course, have been kept sealed. We've never seen them. There was a picture or two leaked, which was highly suggestive. What do you know about the Ron Brown assassination? Well, just tying together the things that George talked about, plane crashes, it was (21:16) a, I won't say a popular, he mentioned things like signature murders. And he explained to me how the Marines would, they had different patterns that they would leave marks so that the snipers, shooters, or whomever, the dirty tricks, wet ops, people would know who did it. I see. A little signature. Yeah, I see it. Like Paul Wellstone's plane, and Ashcroft's opponent, and Dick Openshane in Virginia. I mean, they're just, they're just all over the place. (21:56) Well, the Wellstones were clearly murdered. That plane... Sonny Bono, was it Sonny Bono, not Sonny Bono, John Denver, the group that formed the critical mass against landmines. John Denver lost in the Pacific when his small stunt plane crashed. Sonny Bono is said to have been murdered on the ski slopes as well. All over the landmine issue with Diana, because that's a growth industry in the Navy in Texas. (22:25) And they had formed a sort of a critical mass, and within a matter of months, they were... The movement was decapitated. Yeah. And that's what he said they had to do. They don't like critical masses that threaten something that is profitable or political that is important to them. Are they guarding their own worth and value, or are they doing the work of those they are associated with? Or is it both? Well, it's certainly a combination of both, because they feel as if they are the group. (23:06) It's very... I don't know how to... You know, when people go through initiations in the masons or the ceremonies that are really kind of gross, but they bond the boys. They're drunk, and it's a memorable experience, if you could say that. Well, you wouldn't forget it easily, that's for sure. You know, but it's a form of kind of bonding, and it's what gave Layman the courage to do what he did, tailhook with all the Marines looking on. (23:40) You know, we won't tell, and if somebody does tell, then they disappear, or they're neutralized, or they're ruined. So they just are afraid, but it's also exciting. They have a lot to fear, but on the edge of fear is, I was going to say, a certain high, because you're on the inside cutting edge. You're there. It doesn't get any giddier than that, does it? No, and they have affairs, you know, Bob Oakley, and Gates, and you know, all these guys who (24:16) are, you know, Buck Revell, they pal around with, you know, Tom Clancy's part of the group, and they do things, and nobody will talk, because they know that they're... Just like Jerry Unruh, I mean, everybody sort of knows that they're messing around. What you're saying is they're homosexuals, they're pedophiles, there is no end of the... Absolutely. Ben Bradley, you know, Warner, all the Marines, Hassenfuth, and North, I mean, the Kallstrom, (24:53) it's a very small group, and they've been in operations together, sort of like the Delta Team One in Italy, you know, with the boss and so forth, that they went to Rome and Steiner was involved with. But this group was preceded by another group, and a group before that. This is nothing new. The Dulles group, yeah. The Dulles brothers, and you mentioned Germans coming over here, well, Paperclip, of course, (25:23) we know, brought scientists, but there were other operations. Well, it was a huge operation, and I know right much about that in Virginia, because my grandfather, Bird, was a naval intelligence, high-level person during World War II. He was a doctor, and he spoke German, he was brilliant, he was an obstetrician. And I know a lot about what's gone on in Norfolk, you know, since World War II and up through (25:53) the 80s. And when I found out the same thing goes on in other ports, and organized crime is totally involved in it, naturally. Kay, how is it that you're on the program talking with me tonight? How is it that you've escaped being silenced, ruined, sent away, whatever? Well, my first wife was murdered, and I think that Sue, Suzanne Workman Griggs, was killed during the Iran-Contra hearings, because George was North's handler for Al Gray for the joint... (26:34) Your ex-husband was Ollie North's handler? Yeah, I mean, he was the chief of staff for the Marine Corps, for Gray's boys, the assassins, who were working with Steiner, Jim Joy, and Brute Krulak, and they were working with the Nelson Rockefeller group in the Republican Party. But I'm not saying that Republicans are bad, because there were actually folks working both sides, like Walt Rostow and... Boy, you're dropping so many names, I'm going... (27:06) No, but they're all... No, I understand what you're telling me, but it's almost deafening. The everyone is another bomb, and if I can go back to former CIA Director William Colby, your friend? Yeah, he was a friend of my uncle's, a good friend, and a really nice man whom I spoke with when I, after March the 4th, when I had called General Joy and wanted to find my husband, because I had no money. And that was during the latter years of your marriage when he disappeared? (27:44) Mm-hmm. And General Joy said, I don't believe I know your husband. And I was looking at his diary in Beirut when he was, you know, with Bob Oakley, and Bob Gates, and Larnaca, and, you know, every day with Joy and Steiner. And then when I told him I had the diary, he couldn't wait to meet me, and that's another story entirely. You wouldn't believe that. But then my house was broken into, and I was set up by a NATO person named Fred Hentz. (28:19) Okay, hold on right there. House broken into, looking for the diary, I would assume. We have to do a little bit of a break here, Kay. This is amazing. Stand by, we'll come right back. And back with Kay Griggs. Just to underscore the point that no one is secure, former CIA Director William Colby, as I recall, Kay, was about to testify at some Senate or House committee, and I was concerned at that point in time that we were about to hear some amazing news, and the news (29:19) we heard was he was dead. And allegedly, what happened, as I know it, and correct me if this story is incorrect, but the common perception is that on a cold and rainy night, he got up from his comfortable desk around 11 o'clock in the evening and went out for a canoe paddle. Dinner, he had dinner uneaten, and his computer was turned on. Supposedly he went out for a canoe ride, that was the official story, and he turned over (29:46) and he drowned. Well, I went to a cocktail party in Virginia Beach, and again, I'm not going to mention names, but it was a very high-level cocktail party, and one of the individuals there, There was part of the Lavender Boy, high level Lavender Boy Network in Norfolk and he, and I knew, in other words, I talked to him about, this was the topic of conversation for people who really cared to know about this kind of thing and for me in particular because he'd (30:24) been a close friend of my uncle's and he was in the same eating club with my husband and dying like that and I'd spoken with him and he told me not to worry, he said, you know, he was going to help and I was feeling very secure and so when he died, when he was missing, I was agitated and I just was talking with this person and he couldn't wait to tell me that he had some friends who were SEALs and that they knew who had done it but they, he said that they didn't know it was Colby at the (31:06) time but they found out it was Colby. So it was done by some Navy SEALs here at Little Creek who were ordered to do it and they realized who they'd done and this is kind of how it works. Wow, it's pretty amazing. All right, well, William Colby, gone. When Senator Wellstone's plane went down, you were well aware of the threat that Cheney had made to the senator in a couple of months, several months before the crash, I'm assuming. (31:45) When the plane went down, the timing of it and all that probably didn't take you by surprise, did it? No, and the Ashcroft one didn't surprise me either but I think because he's a Christian, he says he's a Christian, he didn't take the, you know, the seat but it's happened to a lot of... He was supposed to, tell us that story about Ashcroft briefly. Well, I don't know that much about Ashcroft but I just, when I heard it and then I heard he, that the person, the person who was running against him was in a plane crash (32:27) and he, it was a couple of days before the election, I understand, and he could have easily slipped into it but I think he knew. That was Mel Carnahan, wasn't it? I believe, yes, and his wife or his widow stepped in and it was like who, the one in Louisiana who's, she's a columnist and her mother was the ambassador to the Vatican but I believe he was in a plane crash. So plane crashes are one of the chosen methods of removing problems. (33:00) Absolutely are, according to George and, you know, there were people like General Andrews. I have a friend who's kind of a little spooky but she's the only granddaughter of Andrews Air Force Base, General Andrews, and the family know that he was murdered. This was a long time ago. Right, well, going back to Secretary Forrestal, I mean, there's so many. And Forrestal was a Princeton guy. Ah, in the club too. (33:36) And General Patton? Well, Patton was done by the Mark Clark Group because of the, his discovery of all the things that they were doing with paintings and I'm sure there were a lot of other reasons. Right, right. But he was basically an honest guy, Patton. Right. And a truth teller and he knew that Clark had done all sorts of nefarious things and I'm not saying that Clark didn't have some good but from what I know from, he was a really bad guy. Yeah. But of course, you know, I'm, my whole family have been naval officers. (34:22) Well, have you talked to your ex-husband in the last several years at all? No, no, I just communicate a little bit with his daughter and son-in-law. Kay, who is, who's watching over you? Who's taking care of you? Well, I believe the reason I'm alive, and this is what people believe too, is because I spoke up right away. When Sarah told you to? When Sarah told me to do, to do that. And also, because his first wife was murdered and I went to the NCIS, N-I-S, with her birth, her death (35:08) certificate, which everyone was told that Sue had had a heart attack. But I was told by someone, and I'm not going to mention, a very high level person, very high level person, who was official that Sue had gone ballistic over some things that George was involved in. And particularly after a trip to Florida, which George told me about, and she was really going ballistic, and they brought some friends, the Earls. (35:42) There was one brother who was with the NSA, and then Jim and Nancy, to calm her down. And then she had this, quote unquote, heart attack, which all the Marine wives said she had. But when I saw the death certificate, which he had hidden in the attic in this black flip thing he had with a lot of other papers then, and I was curious one day and found out that she had had a cerebral hemorrhage and that, and then I asked him over, you know, drinks, he was, what really happened that night, (36:31) George? And she, he did not call the rescue squad. This was right at supper time. And he dragged her back to the bedroom. What happened to her in the first place? Exactly. He gave her one of the things that he gave me. He killed her. I understand what you're saying. And I told that to the man, well, anyway, I told it to two different people. And I finally got a woman at Oceana who was at NCIS, NIS. And I found out she was a Marine. (37:12) But three days later, Sue's body had been dug up and removed. And they, in other words, they must have, I know that they didn't do an autopsy on her body. They just, George got rid of it. Was it some kind of poison? Or did it cause a hemorrhage? You know, he put things in my coffee. I don't want to go into that because it was just too painful for me to even go into that part of it. But it was just, it was, it was like a movie. (37:56) It was just, I was struggling. It was just unbelievable. And I knew what she had gone through. And I really believe that's why I'm alive today, or at least I'm alive up to this point. Why did he leave for those last several years of your, quote, marriage? Well, he was involved with the Bosnian thing, setting up pre-positioning of weapons in Norway. And that was, he was totally preoccupied with that. (38:24) Because they knew there was going to be, you know, the war. Right. Did you hear anything from him about the current state of affairs? How long ago the Iraq, Middle East involvement was planned? Was that ever discussed? Well, yeah, he would, he discussed a lot about Iran and the Bekaa Valley and the Israelis, the Tel Aviv Israelis. What did he think of the Zionist Israelis? Well, they were totally involved with everything that was going on because the assassins I met, (39:13) you see, they have assassins, these duo teams, like the ones who got Bill Cosby's son. And they're, they have an Israeli and an American, and they're usually flamers. They're usually homosexuals. And I met... They call them flamers? Well, you know, they, they have sex with each other. And they're Marines. And they're assassins. They're shooters. And one, a couple of Christmases, there's a, there was a, I don't know what to say this or not. (39:46) I met the mother, the Israeli mother, and this guy, I nearly got him a car. And, um, They were an assassin team. He was an Israeli and he would do assassinations in the United States because some sort of jurisdictional thing, and Carl would do it in other places. I mean, they'd go to Algeria and they'd hop a plane. So it was a homosexual death squad, two people? Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, the two couples that I knew about were definitely... (40:23) I kept trying to get him dates, you know? It was so strange. Yeah. Well, you finally figured it out. Hold on if you wait, Kay. We have a little break to do here. We'll come back in another half an hour to go. Okay. You're an amazing woman. Just amazing. Thank you, and stand by. We'll be back. Thank you. Your turn. Okay, we are back. I'm Jeff Rentsch with Kaye Griggs' first half of the program tonight. (42:28) Her story, part of it, a tiny, tiny part of it, brilliantly told by journalist Greg Simansky at the top of rentsch.com. I urge you to read it. It is entitled The Evil Lurking Within. Okay, a lot of quick things. Tell us about what you know and what you were told about Waco. Keep it simple, but give us the overview. Well, George, George's, the triumvirate Steiner and Joy were involved with training operations sometime before in Panama, in and out. (43:19) They were involved with the CIA and they, in other words, they were training special operations men from other countries with Americans. They still are. Is it called School of the Americas or something? Well, no, these were outside of the United States. I see. Okay, they were training abroad. And so they had been involved with Noriega on and off for quite some time. Right. With the North crowd and so forth. (43:49) Noriega is still cooling his heels, I guess. Yeah. So, but with the Waco, Carl Steiner and Jim Joy were involved with the attack on Waco in that they brought in their people. These were not Texans. They had their own special people in there who were brought in specifically to do what they did. Why? What was the danger? Well, using radios and this was Jim Joy and Carl Steiner's, this was their thing. Was this a training operation for them? (44:34) Yes. And they did it in Panama. These are just trying out their, what they, so that the men will know how to do it. It's a bonding kind of thing. It was a live fire training operation. Yeah. And they do live fire training all the time out in the desert. And George was the number one shooter for the Marine Corps for years. And he told me about how they would go out and, I mean, they really are. They're using live bullets and live target practice and the guys have to escape an evasion, but they use real bullets. (45:18) So they turn people loose and hunt them down. Exactly. TWA Flight 800. What do you know about that? Well, that was, and the scuttlebutt around here is that that was done, it was a NATO SACLANT game. It got out of hand? Or mistake. And Kallstrom being a Marine, they... Oh, Kallstrom was a Marine. Now it makes sense. You see Kelly, Warner, Ben Bradley, Kordmeier, Buck Revell, Oliver North, all these guys in the armitage train, you know, seal with these guys. (46:01) And they're, it's a very, they do operations and have done operations. So that when the time comes for promotion, you know, and to cover up this or that, Kallstrom was right there. And I believe that's why the guy Kelly, I know what was his name, O'Neal, was murdered in 9-1-1. Because he knew everything about what was going on. So they... They got rid of him. He was probably killed before the building ever came down. (46:30) Absolutely. I mean, it was his first day on the job. It was Mueller's first day. It just, there were too many... Right. Understand, this is going on in broad daylight, right in front of us all the time. These killings, these plane crashes, these alleged suicides. Remember the Clinton death list? Yeah. So many people killing themselves by shooting themselves multiple times in the head. Well, Admiral Borda was killed by a Marine. (47:01) Why did they take out Admiral Jeremy Borda? Because he was, he was going to appear the very next day. He was going to testify too, I remember that. Yeah, and I believe it was all about the guys who were coming from other countries, particularly Israel, who were coming to Norfolk, Virginia, and they were being paid for by the government, and they were doing operations inside the United States. And I believe that Colby, because I told Colby, I spoke to him on the phone, (47:36) and there was, I'm not going to say this, I know who was involved with spying on Colby. Just like Nussbaum was across the hall from Vince Foster. There's always somebody with an office across the hall. They're always watched. That's exactly right. So they shot Vince in the parking lot, is my understanding, and carried him to Fort Marcy and dumped him. Yeah. Well, Linda Tripp worked for Carl Steiner. She did? (48:14) Yes. It's all together, isn't it? Linda Tripp. And so did McVeigh. And Monica Lewinsky. Remember these, remember all the ties? None of this is at random, folks. No, they knew she liked older men, and she had that propensity. They planted her there because she would gravitate towards him and vice versa. And Linda Tripp was an operative. She and her husband were both down there working with Carl Steiner at the JFK School in Fort Bragg. (48:48) What's Steiner doing now? I have no idea. He's a really bad man. He's very bad, very evil. How do you know Kay Griggs about Oklahoma City, the bombing? Well, they had a group down there, one of the Princeton friends of George's, believe it or not, who's in intelligence. They had this big camp there, and they were bringing lots of Iranians, and they were bringing Iranians, too. Iraqis? No, Iranians early on. (49:21) Iranians, too. Well, they were bringing Republican Guard over, too, but this is Iranians now. But they were bringing, I know they were bringing Iranians. This was back in the 70s. And they were essentially bonding, and they would train. That was one of the places. It was kind of like the place, Lake Pontchartrain area, where lots of them did that, where they would bring these international visitors, military. (49:54) And essentially, there was a... It was under the auspices of Carl Steiner. Who did Oklahoma City? Steiner and Joy. Was McVeigh actually executed or just put in a deep sleep and carried away? They say he was breathing after he was dead under the sheet. Well he was a special guy with Steiner and he had he was intelligent and uh... Was he a throwaway? You know they threw Oswald away but they didn't throw uh... what you know (50:34) McVeigh? No, North. In other words it depended on who the person was and how special their special friend was. George's special general died I believe of natural causes. Your ex-husband's special general the man who took care of him? He died and he was an army general of course because George said that the old guard runs everything. Was there a purging in the military? Oh sure. (51:13) I remember the one plane crash with about a dozen high-ranking officers. They murdered an Air Force guy who was going to be the chief of staff of the Air Force in ninety-six. They got rid of the chief CNO of the Navy. I mean ninety-six was a big purge year. That's Clinton. I'm not saying Clinton didn't do it. I'm saying that it occurred on his watch. There was so much murder during the Clinton tenure it bothers the mind. Yeah, absolutely. There was a lot. This is more than the Clinton death list, folks. (51:52) This is within and without the military. But they went after Clinton. See, I was living with Sarah McClendon during a great amount of that time including his birthday and the plane that Clinton his birthday he was flying across the United States. He was supposed to be on a plane and that plane went down. And Clinton, somebody had told Clinton, I heard Sarah say she knew a lot of the scuttlebutt that was going on in the White House (52:27) because we were going in and out of the White House at that time. And she knew about Linda Tripp and how, you know, the gal had been planted there because Michael Isikoff and the whole group knew about her a year ahead. There was a movie, Wag the Dog, that was done ahead of the Isikoff story. But the Isikoff story came out because if you remember Clinton welcomed what was the guy's name from Palestine but he wouldn't see Sharon. (53:02) And immediately after that that's when the Tripp story came, I mean the Monica story came out. Monica was working for the Zionists. The Zionists did that. And there's been that tit-for-tat. Right, I understand. Stand by. You mentioned the movie Wag the Dog. Wow, that's looming more important than ever now as a template. Back in a minute. All right, we're back. Our final segment tonight is Kate Riggs. It's just a mind-bending, boggling (54:06) litany of names and places and events that she is, from her experience, shedding new light on. We're falling into a reality here, Kate Riggs. It is so unsettling for many people. I'm not sure they can handle it, but that's the way it is. Let's spend our last few minutes talking about the Zionist neocons. Now, just for the record, for all of you out there, there are Jewish Zionists, there are Christian Zionists, there are atheist Zionists. (54:37) We're talking about Zionism, which has, of course, co-opted Israel and pretty well taken control of much of this country's government. What do you know about Zionism, Wolfowitz, Perl, all the rest of them? And, you know, in six minutes or so, give us, if you can, a little sketch about the control that that group holds over this country. Well, it's pretty significant, and it goes back a long way. I don't know where you really want me to begin, whether it's (55:09) Judah P. Benjamin or Uriah P. Levy, and what I believe is the murder of Thomas Jefferson and Adams. The Rothschild element that was involved with them. The Rothschilds, this does trace back to the Rothschilds of London. Friendships, and Paris. Because you see, the Marines in 1850 something or other, the Marines were, according to George, assassins, and they were paid for by a Masonic lodge in France. The money came to (55:50) fund them and pay for them as sort of protectors of the ships that would go back and forth, you know, in the triangular trade, which were in the Mediterranean. That's how the Marines got their start on board of ships. Exactly, and the red stripes, George said, was blood, you know, and they always would run up to the top. Oh, he loved telling that story. So you had this German-trained major who was really a loser, (56:26) but he was involved with the murder of John Brown, and he was he was not well-liked, not at all highly respected, because he was a coward. But he worked for this Belmont guy, and he was, remember, Robert E. Lee was involved, was supposed to go and stop the murder of John Brown. But this German guy who was a Marine major wound up, through Hooker Crook, being the quote-unquote commandant of the Marine Corps. His name was Jacob Zetlin. (57:07) Zetlin? Yeah, I think it was Z-E-I-T-L-I-N. L-I-N, maybe. And he was a... you know, he wasn't an American guy. He'd been involved with helping Judah P. Benjamin in the South and stuff. Anyway, What a grasp of history you have. He actually, literally, changed the uniforms to be like the Germans, with the pit helmets and everything. The Rothschilds were funding all these medals and things, and they changed the logo (57:44) from being a musical instrument to this global New World Order thing, and the motto was the Rothschild coat of arms, sic semper tyrannis. And this is a hundred years ago, or more. Exactly, I mean, you brought in the whole, you know, the globe, the German... All the symbols, I understand. And that wasn't what they were. In other words, it was to make them bigger and more important. Who killed Lincoln? It was done by a Southern Masonic (58:23) group, which Judah P. Benjamin was involved with, and some of the Richmond Freemasons. And, you know, it was a small group, actually. Well, it doesn't take many if they're organized. The, uh... The issue... We have a minute left. The issue today of Zionism controlling this government is, I think, becoming more understood by many Americans. It is... It cannot be underestimated. Exactly. It's huge. And our ties to Zionist Israel, (58:57) right back to London, uh... This is a big game, folks. Nothing happens by chance. There really are no accidents. Think of Paul Wellstone and his wife and the two pilots. That plane was taken down by some kind of electronic weapon, probably in a van on the ground, which follows all of its instruments. It went off course into the trees, knocked off both wings and fuel tanks, and yet the fuselage of that aircraft burned ferociously for hours, (59:25) and there was no fuel there. So this was a carefully prepared... There were accelerants and excendiaries placed on board. John Kennedy, Jr., anything on that in our last minute? Yeah, I'm sure that was done, because he was getting ready to be the head of the JFK school, which is the most important at Harvard. And the guy there, there were two brothers who were columnist reporters, and they didn't want him there. (59:55) And I believe that... And he was also thinking about running for office. Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs (1:01:46) Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs

Kay Griggs was married to Colonel George Griggs, who ran special operations for NATO and his tenure included the Beirut bombings. Her husband had many vices, and while he was drunk he would disclose secrets to her. She reveals a shadowy network of a global mafia with occult traditions going back to Ancient Greece (or perhaps earlier). This global cabal, which her husband referred to as "the joint," works directly with the highest level military intelligence agencies across the world, even of governments that publicly are "enemies." Degenerate sex parties, drugs, trauma based mind control, massive underground bunkers, etc. are all involved. We learn again that war is indeed a racket. Wars are mostly created for show, to steal resources, sell/test weapon systems, to train assassins, launder money, manipulate markets, act as distractions, create black markets -- that sort of stuff. The Kay Griggs interviews, which this is the 3rd set (I believe), is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about these interviews although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary (00:29-01:23) Interview introduction with Kay Griggs, who shares insights from her life intertwined with the U.S. Marine Corps and high-level political figures, detailing her experiences witnessing "evil" operations. (01:23-02:09) Kay discusses her marriage to her husband, a Marine officer involved with SEALs and international operations during the Iran-Contra hearings, unaware of his dark past. (05:11-06:17) She reveals disturbing details about the mysterious death of her husband's first wife, suggesting potential foul play connected to his involvement with high-stakes operations. (09:34-13:05) Kay emphasizes the psychological operations involved in her husband's work, highlighting the cruel experimentation conducted on innocent people by military groups. (19:32-23:07) Discussion of her husband's sordid history of sexual abuse that began in high school and extended into his adult life, mentioning a pervasive culture of exploitation among elite circles. (39:44-52:07) Kay addresses the systemic use of murder as a political tool, detailing various notable murders possibly connected to political conspiracies, including implications of Israeli involvement in U.S. military operations. (59:27-1:01:42) Concluding thoughts on whether her ex-husband mentioned the UFO phenomenon, focusing instead on secret underground military operations that she encountered. Transcript: (00:29) Transcription of interview with Kay Griggs on August 3, 2005. Kay Griggs has lived a life that few have lived about, and few have lived to talk about, if we want to tell it like it really is. She's been on the inside at the top levels of the U.S. Marine Corps, former presidents, potentates and kings, and all kinds of people have been into her life through the words and descriptions of her ex-husband, assassinations, murders, drugs, you name it, homosexuality, pedophilia, (00:57) the whole story, evil, evil is what Kay Griggs saw and heard about for another better part of 10 years, I guess, or longer. She is now with us tonight, and I think you're there. Are you there, Kay? Can you hear me? Yeah, I'm here. I sure am. Hi, welcome back. Thank you. Can you just, for our listeners who missed the first program, you were married for how long to whom? Just go over the basics for us, and then we'll get right into it. (01:23) Well, I was working at the Chamber of Commerce and met my husband-to-be, who was a widower, and he rented a house for me, and it was just after the Rancontra, or really during the Rancontra hearings, and he, unbeknownst to me, had been involved in all of that, and he was being sort of moved from one job to another, kind of camping him down a little bit, and he was training SEALs and joint assassins at the Little Creek Naval Base School, (02:09) which trained people from other countries and all kinds of, in other words, SEALs and Marines, and they did operations together. Right. And his first wife had died during the Rancontra hearings, and anyway, I met him then and didn't really like him at first, but after a number of months, I was in charge of some Norwegians, a couple of ambassadors were coming to Virginia Beach, and I was involved with organizing a program for a sister city program, (02:54) and he helped drive one of the ambassadors around, and that's when I first talked to him, because he just didn't talk. But he was just, you know, he was an officer and that kind of thing, and I think he was anxious to marry. You say anxious to marry. What do you think the reason for that was? Well, I think I was sort of a high-profile person here in Norfolk. I think he needed cover. Uh-huh. I got that. Something was in your word there that made me ask, so yeah. (03:36) Yeah, well, if you were, and he did need that, he sounded like he got the perfect cover. Yeah, he did, and I was totally unaware that a world like his existed. As most people are, and it's something that is available to probably a tiny fraction of a fraction of 1% on the planet. They just don't know. Yeah. You saw, you heard about it, and through your courageous willingness to talk about it, it's been written about, the story is coming out. (04:07) Now, of course, since they control the mainstream media, your story isn't going to go very far. They know that, but you do have on this program and on my website and others a tremendous number of those who are aware and who are interested in reality, and so that's to your everlasting credit that you've had the courage to come forward with this. Now, he reached the rank of what in the Marines? Well, it's really funny because I tried to get him to, (04:37) well, he was telling me about what he did for a living, but he told me that he really wasn't a colonel. In other words, he said he wore different hats and that none of them really meant anything. I had a hard time understanding what he did. I was so totally naive, but he never really talked until he started drinking in the evenings, and he just talked and talked and talked about, you know, he was sort of, he was communicating with me, (05:11) he was bragging kind of, but I knew that he was real because all the other colonels were just in awe of him or in fear of him. One of them who worked with him when I was at the chamber warned me, and I thought he was just jealous because he had asked me out, this one particular lieutenant colonel, and he just said, you'll really be sorry. And I had no idea, and he really was trying to warn me. Well, that's quite a warning. (05:43) And as it turns out, he was absolutely correct. Yeah, he knew what George had done to his first wife, and he knew how he'd been involved with, at the highest level, with the Rancontra and North. And when K. Griggs says he knew what George did to his first wife, there is ample reason to suspect that foul play was involved. Oh, well, my family are physicians here in Norfolk, and my grandfather, my uncle, my brother, (06:17) and I studied a lot of biology and wanted to be a vet myself. And I was told by the colonel's wife and by George, the story was that Suzanne Workman had a heart attack and she died. She was young, I mean, relatively young, in her 40s. And when I found out how she died, she had a cerebral hemorrhage, and I found that report in a black case that he had hidden up in the attic. And this was after we were married. (07:01) And when I asked him about it, I tried to be really light and sort of, come on, George, tell me how did it happen. It was just totally bizarre. He didn't call the rescue squad. She supposedly was knocked out at supper time around 5. Knocked out meaning knocked out how? Just sort of collapsed, according to him. Okay, passed out. So this sounds like the Terri Schiavo case. Exactly. And she was very large, and there was not love between them, from what I know. (07:47) He dragged her back to the bedroom. Now, this is a woman who's totally passed out. She had a bleeding incident, according to him, when they went down to Florida. That was one of the meetings with the North, Gurbani Far, and the whole crowd. Ali North and all the rest. Yeah, he had to go to Miami, and she was getting very upset because I spoke with his, well, I won't say who because I don't want to get the person, (08:19) but I spoke with a very high-level person who knew a lot about Sue, actually two people, three people, and she was really upset because he had been involved with all of this, you know, the Grand Contra, and she knew a lot about what he was doing. He used to obviously drink then and talk. Oh, yeah, he drank, according to him, because I tried to get him to stop drinking when I found out how long he'd been doing this pattern, but for 30 years. (08:56) And how could someone like that be in charge of international programs that are really delicate and involve national security and people's lives when they can't even paint? He couldn't tell one color from the other. He couldn't even sail a sailboat. I mean, it was just so much he just didn't know how to do. And yet there he was in charge of international operations and being kind of just sort of making things up. (09:34) I don't know how to explain it. Well, it seems, Kay, to me that a man who has an alcoholism problem, who flaps his gums when he's drunk, would be noted by his superiors, wouldn't you? Absolutely not. But he got away with it because he was in such a powerful position. Yeah, because he had been not only... I went to the Huns school with the three oldest Saudi royals, which is why I believe in how James Baker got involved with my husband, because James Baker was at Princeton earlier (10:14) and had been in the same eating club, well, Rumsfeld was in the same secret society and so forth. And I'm not saying they're bad, you know, it's just that they were very close. Did you ever spend time with James Baker, for example? No, I never did, but my grandmother was from Texas, and her grandfather was the attorney for Stephen F. Austin, so I think they probably knew that. Okay, very good. Stand by, Kay, if you would. (10:46) Check me out. Hold on, if you would. We take a break, come right back in just a couple of minutes and continue conversation tonight, part two, with Kay Griggs. Okay, we're back with Kay Griggs. So when the drinking began after the marriage and so forth, and this material began to come out, and you're a kid who really didn't understand this. (11:55) This was a part of the world that, as it is for most humans, completely hidden away. What are you thinking at first? Are you thinking the guy's delusional, or did it all ring true from the beginning? How did it strike you? Well, I knew he was who he said he was, because I very early on met the Marine Corps, the colonels who were at Fleet Marine Force Atlantic, which is sort of half the world, it's a large (12:24) operational contingent, which was with NATO, SACLAN, and the Atlantic Command, and they literally did operations. And when you say, when Kay Griggs says operations, she's talking about wet and dry operations, assassinations. Yes, and psychological operations, which my husband, very important that people do not realize that they literally are tormenting and doing all kinds of horrible things to innocent people, sometimes just as experiments. (13:05) Give me an example. Now, this locks in to the claims by many people, regular citizens, who say that they've either had a brain implant, or they're hearing voices, or they're obviously involved in some kind of an experiment, they're being monitored, toyed with, tormented, you name it. Any truth to that in your experience? Well, of course there's truth in that, and the kinds of toys that they have to use on (13:32) unsuspecting people. Give me an example. Well, for instance, the Germans who came in, my grandfather was a retired Reserve Navy captain, a doctor, who was in charge of intelligence during World War II. He was sort of put into it because he spoke German, being a physician and an obstetrician, and he was in the port of Norfolk, and my grandmother lived with me the last 12 years, and told me all kinds of stories about how he helped with Camp Perry and Fort Hunt, and (14:14) when they brought the Germans over, the CCC, and I'm not saying Germans are bad, but there were many, many Germans who came over even before the end of World War I, they came over earlier. But this paperclip wasn't the only operation bringing the Germans over. Oh, they were just pouring over. There were something like 20 bases or more in Texas alone, in Virginia, and they were just pouring into the port, and they set up these CCC camps to have these Germans have (14:53) a place to live, and of course they worked hard, and then they would give them jobs, and so they weren't just the scientists that we know about, they were people in all walks of life, and I've met many of them, and many of their children, and so, yeah, but the psychological operations group came in, I know, through some of the Germans. It was institutionalized a little bit before, during, and after World War II when just the (15:31) entire German command were essentially given money and so forth, the SS, by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Army, and they were, in fact, Galen himself was in Virginia for a whole year with his six guys, and I mean, lots of people went up to Fort Hunt to see him. So the psychological operations, you know, games that even the Soviets used, the Russians used, were institutionalized in our American Army and Joint Command. (16:19) It wasn't just the CIA. I know, I understand. What a time, what an amazing thing went on here. It's just wrong. Right, right. Oh, what are some of the, now, the devices today, and you were involved with this man until fairly recently, really. Well, things were done to me, and I was trying to sort of figure out what was going on, and I don't want to go into too much detail, but these kinds of operations were laughingly (16:51) by some of the guys who just said, oh, well, you know, they're just practicing. They just practiced on the Y, and I couldn't believe it because some of the things that were done to me were not only sadistic, but cruel. I mean, it was just unbelievable, and one night, the SEALs were caught in my neighborhood. A neighbor's huge dog was out, and my windows in my car were smashed two or three different times. (17:28) I had tires flattened on court days. I had people coming into my house, and I mean, putting something like 12 screwdrivers, well, who in the world would believe a wife who said that she, you know, she found 12 screwdrivers or batteries in a drawer, so I, you know, I'm used. Now, see, that's exactly the kind of thing, Kay, I've heard from other people. There's a victim's group who have been played with like this mentally. (17:57) Yeah. They do this to people. Yeah, and they laugh about it. Oh, yes. They beam voice. Ha, ha, ha. Right. They can put voices in people's minds, and sometimes, apparently, they'll leave a channel open, and these people actually hear them laughing about what they're doing to them. Well, you wouldn't believe it when Sarah McLennan, the senior White House correspondent, called, tried to get hold of me after I had called her frantically after I had the two death (18:27) threats, and she said she had to call from another house because she said every time she called my number, and I was the only one there, a male voice answered and said, this is Little Creek Military Base, and the Griggs's don't live here anymore. Yeah, I got it. All right. That was my number. Yeah. Stand by, Kay. I understand fully. We'll pause and come right back. All right, Kay, you're with this man. He's drinking. (19:32) How often did he drink, and how often did he start stealing? Well, George drank, I think, to sort of blot things out. Was it a pain he was trying to assuage somehow? Well, he ran, and he drank hard, and he certainly had a lot of, quote, unquote, responsibility. How many people did he kill? Well, George, I only know about some that he told me. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And he was the outstanding one in the family, and so they essentially, they literally sent (20:35) his family to California, got them out of the way, and then he got a scholarship to go to a fancy quote-unquote boy's school in Princeton called The Hun. That's H-U-N for your listeners. H-U-N. And that's where he was molested by a teacher, a group of teachers. He was put in with the very, very wealthy Saudi royals and Admiral Kimmel's son and others, and yet he was a rising star in that group, and everyone thought he was so handsome. (21:14) But he was molested as a boy, those four years, and never saw his parents. And you know, they really messed with his mind, and then, if he was good, he was bribed essentially, if he was good with these older men, he got a scholarship to Princeton. When you say, that's not mince words now, when he was bribed and if he was good with these older men, you're talking about sex. Yeah, of course. And this was common. (21:49) This was common. Yes. Nice. And then, you see, the Russell Trust, the money came from England, and it came to these. And I think the Saudi boys were just as innocent in the beginning, too. And what they were doing, and these, and I'm not saying, I am very, I have Jewish friends and this kind of thing, I'm definitely not anti-Jewish, but the people who were in charge of the men, the Lavender Boys, who were doing these things to my husband, were Brooklyn (22:30) people, Jewish people. And I don't know why this was going on like that, but the money, which they didn't even own, the Russell House, the Russell House was bought because there was a man who was part of the U.N., and he talked this wealthy banker in London to buy this mansion, and they put the Saudi royals, and they had parties and rompings in this big house, and the poor boys rarely went to classes. Really? (23:07) Yeah. They were totally under the sway of this guy, Charles Caddock. Sexual? Yes. Psychological? Totally. Germans. Okay. But these weren't, these were German, you know, good-looking Germans who had that, what William Manchester called the German disease, in other words, they were homosexual Germans like Clay Shaw. There are an awful lot of homosexual British, too, it's just, it runs in the upper circles. Absolutely. (23:38) No matter what country you look at. Sure. The Jews you mentioned, it's interesting. Would these have been, as you look back now, perhaps... Oppenheimer and that, they were at this institute. Okay. And I believe they also, you remember the man John Nash, the brilliant physicist? Yeah, okay. A beautiful mind. I'm sure they did the same thing to him. I'm sure they raped him. It seems to be, it's control, isn't it? (24:05) As much as anything. Yes, it is. It's a way of, they know these people are outstanding, they're rising stars, they have potential. And they want to get out. And they want to be able to control them at all times, using fear tactics. Same thing with Skull and Bones, correct? Pardon? Same thing with Skull and Bones. Well, of course. I mean, they're telling their sexual secrets in college. But a lot of these boys in Skull and Bones, I believe they get to them just the way they (24:33) did my husband when they're in high school. Because then they're really, you know, they're scholarship boys. Right. And they depend on that college education. Fast track. Fast track. Fast tracking them. Yeah. Very fast track. Okay. But as far as the murders and so forth, you think that George was directly involved in some? Oh, sure. Now we say, oh, sure, give me an example or two. You don't have to name names. Well, for example, he told me that, he talked about airplane crashes being one of the ways (25:10) that they, in other words, he was saying airplane crashes are really a good thing. They still are. They use them all the time. Yeah. And I said, well, explain to me. First of all, he had to explain what he believed, because I'm a very strong Christian. Right. And, you know, murder is not good. And he, with a straight face, I'm really believing him and wanting to understand him. And he said, well, you know, it's not murder. (25:40) And I said, well, what? It's not murder. Not murder. I said, well, why isn't it murder? He said, because there's no emotion involved. And I, of course, I never argued with him, because I really sincerely wanted to understand. So the killers are, they're psychopathic. They have no emotional attachment one way or the other to the act of killing. So it's not murder. Exactly. It's not stepping on a bug or something. (26:07) Exactly. And the way he said, order, and the order. We were ordered. And it was as if his life depended. He would follow an order. He would get, before he would leave and disappear, he would be sort of curled up in a fetal position for a couple of days. I'm sure he had a chip in him. Right. And he would go out and, you know, sort of disappear and go up to meet Michael O'Boyle. And there was a little kind of a brick thing where I would, I'm sure they put the messages (26:50) in at the end of our acre, which I found, which, you know, had a little kind of cubbyhole. Assignments, whatever. Yeah, yeah. And he would go up to, one night he went up three times to the grocery store and Michael O'Boyle, I found out, the one who'd always been the co-partner of his, even from Vietnam, lived here in Virginia Beach. His very best friend for two years. And I never, I only met him in his retirement. (27:19) And there he was only a few miles away. Interesting. All right. Stand by Kay, if you would. Sure. And we can continue our conversation with Kay Griggs in just a minute. Kay, how high up did this chain go? (28:41) Was this cabal that your husband was a part of, we certainly heard the names of presidents, Bush 41, did it go back to Reagan, you know, certainly Ron Contra did. But name some names of some of the top people who were talked about by your ex-husband. Well, I hesitate to, you know, sort of go really high. But you could if you wanted to. Yeah, because... That's fine. You don't want to get... You're in enough trouble, I understand. (29:11) Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to help from within by retiring some of these guys and their methods. And the sailors, the Marines know what a cherry Marine is. They know what they do in the crossing the line ceremonies and the dining in. They know about the, you know, the Crisco and the anuses, all these horrible things that are just the ritual on board. How common is this? Seriously. Everyone does it. I mean, if you are on a Navy ship, you know, the guys strip down and they have Crisco, (29:52) they have guys in a line, Crisco in the anuses, and they have, you know, the guy who dressed up as a sailor. Kay Griggs Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview Kay Griggs Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview Kay Griggs Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview (31:30) Kay Griggs Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview Kay Griggs Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Jeff Rense Interview Kay Griggs Interview of Kay Griggs (34:00) Bob was warned by him not to talk. In fact, when he got back to Washington State or Oregon or wherever it was, there was a psychiatrist who was there and they tried to put him in an institutionalized setting. And he had some friends back home, back in Virginia. And he got back home and he just, he said it really messed up his marriage. He told this story to you. Yeah. We're talking about, I assume, sexual penetration. (34:39) Yeah. Oh, yes. And just anal, just horrible stuff. And he, it just, it just is so bad. And you had no doubt he was telling, no doubt that he was telling the truth. Absolutely no doubt whatsoever. No doubt whatsoever. And he didn't have, you know, he was just, we had been friends and he was just talking, you know, we were just talking and he brought it up and it wasn't something I was wanting to know about in particular. (35:17) Well, he had to talk, obviously, and there was something about you that seems to have made him want to open up. Yeah. Because I was trying to find out how things were in Vietnam and, you know, and I had a Marine Corps, a couple of Marine Corps colonels tell me about how it was. Similar thing, you mean how it was meaning similar things? Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, there were no women there. And if there were women, in other words, this is wartime. And I understand that. (35:43) It is said that this is not uncommon in the military. There are many stories from occupied Palestine of Israeli troops being observed doing similar things. I can't vouch for that, but we do get stories. And is it propaganda? I don't know. But this kind of thing is not strictly, I don't think it's only in our service. No, not really. Oh, no. It's just, it's a wartime thing, I think, that happened. Now, George Bush has made several interesting statements. I believe it was the Canadian spokesman for the prime minister. And he said something like, your spokesman is prettier than mine, meaning Scott McClellan. (36:37) And he was talking about the other young man. And he said two or three things to the guy which were kind of over the line. You mean Bush? Yeah. Yeah. So this is suggestive of a bisexual American president who's looking at other men and not keeping his mouth shut. Sure. And, you know, the bicycle rides and things, you know, sort of, I'm not saying that he does, but I'm saying that here, they were talking about Clinton and Monica. (37:07) Right. And don't tell me that Scott McClellan and Bush's number one guy did not know that Maureen Gannon was coming in at 9 o'clock in the morning and leaving at 5 in the afternoon. And I live with Sarah McClendon, who is a senior White House correspondent. And we went into the White House briefings during the Clinton administration. And I know how the correspondents behave. They would go in, they would have the daily briefing, and everyone would show up at a certain time. (37:47) And this Gannon, if the schedule has come out, he was in there doing things other than, and he certainly was not a correspondent. So who was he servicing? And don't tell me that Roe wasn't totally aware of everything. Because this is how they hold people in and keep their secrets. So, in your opinion, George Bush is clearly bisexual. Well, I don't know whether it's George Bush or Roe or McClellan, but certainly one of those three is. (38:27) And they all have to know it, right? And probably a few more. You're saying is that they all have to know it. Of course they know it. You know, someone who's told his sexual history when he's in college and thinks it's cool, and to talk about that, ha ha, certainly he's going to talk about it. Any truth to the rumors of Bush and the former mayor of a large city in Tennessee? Well, I don't know. I wouldn't want to talk about that. I know a lot of things about some of the Republican operatives. And I know quite a lot. I don't know whether I'm ready to talk about that. (39:13) Let me put it this way. Would it surprise you? No, of course not. Okay. All right. Good. Murders are what I'm really aware of in Virginia. I was going to say, we have much to talk about that's far more serious than sexual preference. Yeah, yeah. And we'll do that after the top of the hour break. The murders. The murders of people like Paisley and Shadron and Siegler and Mary Meyer and, you know, Ron Brown. (39:44) Mary Meyer killed with three or four others in that restaurant. Oh, that was not Mary Meyer. Mary Meyer was married to the number two guy in the CIA who was a Marine. Got it. Ford Meyer. Okay. All right. Lots of murders. including the Wellstones, Senator Mel Carnahan, murder is and has been a commonly used tool in American politics for forever, nothing new, more high tech, tougher to trace now, airplanes being a preferred mode, Dr. (40:21) David Kelly of course in England, absurd to say he committed suicide, Vince Foster of course as far from a suicide as you're going to get, we'll talk with Kay Griggs more about these things as we begin our second hour in just a minute. Okay, we're back on to Kay Griggs, murder as a weapon, murder as a common political tool, murder done with utter remorselessness, no conscience at all, murder done as simple as swatting a fly, it's a strategic move, it's a chess game and you take out players, it's a strategic move. (42:00) Yeah and it avoids, if there's a critical mass that is building which is opposing the prevailing policy or plans, George was involved with of course plans and policy which is one of the many hoops that one has to jump through and the group, you know, Armitage and Gates, McFarland and Buckerville, it was a coordinating subgroup, it was in the White House and it was a coordinating subgroup in the White House that George worked with (42:43) and they were, had been all as Rami at SHAPE or Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe in Mons, Belgium or they had been to the Defense College at Rome for six months and in other words they felt as if they were special because they had been given special assignments which their brothers had sort of suggested that they do and they had been given these jobs and Bob Oakley who was an ambassador, he was a special assistant to Reg and they, it was a small buddy-buddy group that had coalesced during Vietnam, (43:35) I mean Armitage was doing, he was a Navy SEAL and he and George were very, are very close. George? My husband. And you see the State Department, these operations were done through the Department of State because they'd wear plain clothes, they'd have passports with different names on them. Compartmentalized or ordered from the top? Well it depended on how far you were up, you knew who your buddy-buddy was, George had Michael O'Boyle and you know they were, they were very close and. (44:11) When you say very close and you laugh. Yeah. You're talking about very close. Yeah, I know, yeah. Right. So, but the fact that George and Michael O'Boyle were that close, everybody knew, everybody knew about my husband and another couple that you know, and there was an incident, there were quite a number of incidents that one of the Marine colonels told me about and everybody knew. You mean another couple, a threesome? (44:46) Threesome and foursome, yeah, Rush River Lodge and the Earls and. Wife swapping, men swapping? Yes. Whatever. Yes, wife swapping and three and for instance one of the couples in Indonesia when he was there with Wolfowitz and George was training assassins there and with this Air Force quote unquote couple. And they were, the secretary was involved with the husband and the wife, they were all doing that together and this particular tour, Sue was back at home. (45:24) That's his first wife. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I don't think she was happy about any of this to be quite honest. And she had to know about much of it, I'm sure. Oh sure, I think that she had. Did George brag about it when he'd get drunk? Was this something he. Yeah, he talked about it, he talked about Mary Halab and her husband was the assistant to Malcolm Kerr who had been the head of the American University of Beirut and he was, you know, single while he was in Beirut and having sexual sort of forays. (46:03) And the husband of Mary Halab was a Lebanese Muslim and the minute Malcolm Kerr was murdered, Mary Halab's husband went to be, he was an administrator but he became the head of the American University of Beirut. And in other words, it was, they would pop off somebody who was British in a heartbeat and the people who work with these Marines are Israelis. They're assassins and they train at Quantico and they have a special friend and I know one and I'm not going to mention any names who's a Marine, an African American Marine, but I know that he's not straight. (46:56) He's a cherry Marine and the guy who, during this time frame when I knew him, tried to get him a date but he had a friend, a male friend who was an Israeli, the duo, you know, when they had the two guys together. So this is a hit team you're talking about. Exactly. Okay. And the guy who's Israeli would do hits inside the United States and vice versa. And they would just take a flight and they'd, you know, just as the SEAL team do and go over there and dress up as if they're Arabs or Palestinians and blame it on the Palestinians in order to create a... (47:38) Well, it's not only false flag operations but operations go far beyond that. So when you see the bombings and the killings and so forth, even of American soldiers in Iraq, the stories that suggest that there may be Israelis involved with killing American soldiers... There always are Israelis involved and that's, if you even look at Abu Ghraib, and that's the thing. When I was living with Sarah McClendon, because I have a roommate who was Jewish, I mean I'm not... (48:05) No, I know, we understand that. It's okay. But the thing was, I went into the Department of State, this was during Clinton's administration, because I wanted to see the Near East section. I really wanted peace in that area. And I was going with a group of school kids who were going through the Department of State and having a show of everything. And I went up to the floor where the Near East section, they call it, was and is. (48:35) They had about eight doors with these little punch code things and all the doors were open. And I went into every single door and there was not one Christian, there was not one Roman Catholic, there was not one Muslim, not one Arab. They were all Zionist, you know, or men with yarmulkes and they had... Every one? Every single one. Not one exception. And I had seen Dennis Roth and some of these guys who are, you know, are dual national, who are what we call neocons, because they are really more pro-Israeli than they are pro-American. (49:22) They're Israeli firsters, yeah. And I don't think this is... We can't, as a country, be looked upon as an honest broker if we don't have anybody who speaks the language or who gives a darn about the country. We've been... This is a coup d'etat has occurred by another nation and certainly a geopolitical philosophy we know as Zionism, sometimes called neocon, whatever you want to call it. The predominant membership, of course, happens to be Jewish. There are Christian Zionists, but this is a Jewish supremist Zionist group. (49:58) Yes. And if you... You get a magazine like the Journal of Net Centric Warfare, C4ISR, a journal put out by Defense News Media Group, and you look in there, you see ISI, the Israeli company. I would go to Army shows and see the Hunter system, which was a command and control system, which was Israeli run with our equipment. They know when we're having all of our operations, they know everything because they're meeting (50:37) every day in Quantico up there with the FBI, with the CIA, and it's just not fair because if they want to cause trouble, which I believe that they naturally do, I mean, look at the Liberty. I have one of my best friend's brother, the Liberty, but I mean, they won't... That's just one example. Yeah, just one example. There's a suggestion that the 241 Marines that were killed in Beirut in the bombing were taken out by Israelis as well. (51:09) Yeah, because Sharon was involved with that, and my husband said he knew about it beforehand. And there he was, a Marine, knowing about it, and he could do nothing. As you know, Israeli companies have the contracts to do the billing for about 80% or so of American telephone and cell phone communications. They've also put in the highest level, ultra top secret communications systems and software between the White House and the Pentagon, and don't tell me they haven't built back (51:38) doors in there. They have the ability to monitor telephone calls real time all the way to Israel and listen in anywhere they want at any time. These people are absolutely brilliant. And they have totally taken over much of the internal mechanism of this country at the upper levels. Absolutely. And the top computer guy at the Pentagon I know, and he is a rabid Zionist, and calls himself an anarchist. And what's somebody like that doing in charge of all the computers? (52:07) Well, then we have, of course, Zach Keim during his tenure at the Pentagon when a trillion dollars went missing. Yeah. All right, stand by. We'll break and come right back. Stand by. We'll break and come right back with Kay Griggs. All right, right back with you. I'm Jeff Rents, Coast to Coast on the Genesis Communications Network and worldwide on the Internet as well. Rents.com is the website, R-E-N-S-E dot com. (53:13) This is the kind of material we bring you at Rents.com around the clock from around the globe. And we're very much honored to have Kay Griggs back tonight. She is more than a courageous American patriot. She's a truly incredible human being to take this kind of a risk to try to make a difference, which is what we all need to do. The numbers of murders, Kay, let's just take the Clinton years, the so-called famous infamous (53:38) Clinton death list, which went on and on and on. More recently, we have, of course, the death of Dr. David Kelly. Did you hear anything about that from your sources? Yeah, from some of my British friends. In fact, I had witnessed him on C-SPAN the day before he was murdered, and I saw him squirming. I do sketches of people, pencil sketches and so forth, in just a few minutes, just to try and improve my, you know, observing people and body language. (54:11) And he was so nervous, and Jack Straw, I believe that the individuals around him had him murdered because he was put on the hot seat, and he had to talk, and he did. And the very next day, he was on C-SPAN, and then the very next day, we heard about him, and I believe he was murdered. And the interesting thing, too, when I had the two death threats, and there was a Royal Mountie who was with this New Jersey guy named Joe who came to Mahi Ma's, and in other words, (54:53) he just said, you know, he'd done his wife, and that if I didn't stop talking about my conversation with William Colby, who was a friend of my Uncle Ben's, because William Colby had gone to Princeton with my Uncle Ben, and they had both been in cap and gown, and that's one of the reasons that I sort of thought George would be all right, because my father's sister's husband, Uncle Ben Delaney, had been a football star, and been in cap (55:23) and gown, and had the same thing, but his parents were killed, and he went to the Hun School, and he went through the same hoops that my husband did. And I called William Colby after I had the death threat at Mahi Ma's, and he said, don't worry, he knew who my family were, he knew who Uncle Ben was, and George, and he said, this is awful, and just don't worry. And I didn't worry after I talked to him, because I just knew that he was going to take (55:55) care of things, and about two weeks later, I open up the front page of the Virginian Pilot, and find out that William Colby had gone out in a canoe, and he disappeared, and it was exactly the same thing that had happened to Paisley. You know, there's a wonderful book called Widows, by Corson and Trento, about three murdered high-level men, and Paisley had a similar job as O'Neill, and the fellow in England, and he was murdered the same way William Colby was. (56:33) Talking about John O'Neill. Yes, John O'Neill. Who was in the World Trade Center. I'm talking about William Colby was murdered in the water, in a boat, and so was Paisley, only Paisley was a little bit earlier, during the Nixon administration. But this is what they do when the public's eyes are on people, and this is why they're very fearful, why I'm sure people like George and Oswald, they tense up, they just get, (57:09) you know, you look at them and their hands are clenched, and they're frightened, because they know what they do to people, and so they realize that if they come out in the open, they're going to, somebody may do them. Gunter Rustbacher. I spoke to him. Yeah, Gunter was another operative. But he didn't go to Princeton, you know, Oswald didn't go to Princeton. What I know is that once you've been through the elite ROTC and, you know, intelligence (57:51) groups at cap and gown at Princeton, and you have those friendships, then they protect each other. Whereas an Oswald or a Gunter Rustbacher, who's, you know, part of the Galen group, they usually leave. They go somewhere if they're lucky, or they do them. Galen meaning G-E-H-L-E-N, the former German World War II intelligence. Yeah, but they did everything. I mean, I believe they're still involved with the 9-1-1. (58:25) When you saw, and we touched upon this briefly last time, you knew that, I assume maybe you knew, maybe after the fact that Dick Cheney had literally issued the most blatant threat against a U.S. senator that probably has ever been in print, when he threatened Wellstone about a month before the Wellstones were murdered. Yeah, I know they were murdered. And the guy who took over, he was born in New Jersey. (58:51) Okay, Coleman. Yeah, actually he's a Zionist and doing the bidding of his masters. And interestingly enough, Coleman and our mayor had a special secret trip to Israel together. And this is the largest military complex in the world. And there's a lot of collusion I know about with the Meyer Lansky-Rabbi Kahane group that these people are involved with here in Norfolk. And that's not good. They're really dual nationals. (59:27) They're not patriotic Americans. Well, look how many criminals have fled to Israel for security. Look at Jonathan Pollard, for example. Well, they can't quite get him out, but they're still working on it. Yeah. All right, stand by, Kay, if you will, we'll come right back and continue our conversation with Kay Griggs. We'll be right back. Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs (1:00:37) Truth Hurts Radio 2005 Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Truth Hurts Radio Okay, welcome back. I'm talking with Kay Griggs about some pretty unbelievable things. She saw and heard about firsthand from her ex-husband. We know the story by now. Kay, here's an eclectic topic for a moment, if I might. Did you ever run across in all your years any comments from your ex-husband about the UFO issue, ETs, and so forth, about the cover-up that's going on? (1:01:42) No, the only thing I can think of that I learned about and visited actually were the underground bunkers. Where were they? Well, I went in one in Norway that was a...

Kay Griggs was married to Colonel George Griggs, who ran special operations for NATO and his tenure included the Beirut bombings. Her husband had many vices, and while he was drunk he would disclose secrets to her. She reveals a shadowy network of a global mafia with occult traditions going back to Ancient Greece (or perhaps earlier). This global cabal, which her husband referred to as "the joint," works directly with the highest level military intelligence agencies across the world, even of governments that publicly are "enemies." Degenerate sex parties, drugs, trauma based mind control, massive underground bunkers, etc. are all involved. We learn again that war is indeed a racket. Wars are mostly created for show, to steal resources, sell/test weapon systems, to train assassins, launder money, manipulate markets, act as distractions, create black markets -- that sort of stuff. The Kay Griggs interviews, which this is the 3rd set (I believe), is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about these interviews although they know of it. In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info. https://x.com/SeanBaskerville Summary (00:21-01:35) Kay Griggs discusses the illegal activities involving NATO and retired military personnel, including drug trafficking operations out of Norway and Mexico, allegedly involving small nuclear devices and drugs like cocaine and heroin. (02:19-03:05) Griggs describes secret underground bunkers, built by a group known as "Red Horse," used for storing and shipping weapons and drugs across various countries, including the U.S., Norway, and Germany. (04:21-05:25) She expresses her belief that there are still honorable military individuals like Colin Powell and General Zinni who are aware of the corruption but are limited in their ability to act against it. (08:15-10:00) Griggs shares details on Ron Brown's controversial death, suggesting foul play, and mentions non-lethal weapons programs that are, in her opinion, quite dangerous and cruel. (12:15-13:26) Griggs describes instances of personal threats and intimidation she faced after speaking out, highlighting the pervasive fear in military and political circles regarding exposing corruption. (25:36-27:15) She comments on the state of American governance, asserting that current leadership is influenced by outside groups, particularly Zionists, which she believes contributes to America's internal struggles. (41:04-44:08) Griggs shares conspiracy theories surrounding the September 11 attacks, suggesting that multiple operations were at play and hints at German involvement in the execution of these plans. Transcript: (00:21) Kay Griggs Interview of Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Well, weapons and this kind of thing, which they're selling through Israeli channels and some of the black market individuals. Talking about small nuclear warheads as well. Yes, and drugs. And I met, I'm not going to mention of course who, but I met the person who was in charge of the drug lord in Norway. He and George, I guess they thought I was really naive, you know, but I heard the conversation. (00:53) What was it like? Well, this fellow was running Norwegian drug operations out of prison, under the nose of this friend who'd been with my husband at the NATO Defense College in Rome. Cocaine, heroin, what? Yes, yes. And I know for a fact that another Marine colonel, retired, was involved with doing that, channeling it through Mexico, Lake Chapala. No problem getting drugs into this country. No, and these are retired colonels who were close friends of the Chief of Staff of the Commandant of the Marine Corps. (01:35) And another man was murdered, a colonel, and I was involved with helping his brother, Dr. Sabo, to get this brought to light because Colonel Sabo was murdered. His wife, his doctor brother, and everyone down there knew that he did not commit suicide. And if you look on the internet under S-A-B-O-W, you'll find David Hoffman's book on the internet about that. We covered that in the past. Did you? Yep. And Ron Ray is aware of it. He's another colonel who's aware of the homosexual involvement. (02:19) Underground bunkers. Secret underground. How big? Well, one of the people I was with, who, NATO, German, of course, New Jersey, in the Air Force, they build these bunkers. It's Red Horse. They're called the Red Horses. And you know, the red symbolizes the elite group. And then there's purple, which my husband used a purple pen, so he was higher up than the red ones. And I was told about the bunkers that the Red Horse Germans in the United States build, Air Force, and they're, you know, six floors down. They're all over the place. And, of course, we know about Mount Weather and that kind of place. (03:05) So these are used as transshipment points for not only weapons, but drugs. In Germany and in Norway and in England and in other countries. So they store these weapons and so forth. And they're shipped from, here in Newport News, they have these ships, which the military guys change hats. They look like civilian ships, but they're loaded right there. (03:30) The army, you know, the guy who was made to retire in just recently, the operation that's going on right now? Yeah, just last week. Yeah, well, he would have been in charge of these huge shipments going over to be stored in Norway, Stavanger, and that area. In fact, my husband was very involved with setting that up. Kay, it sounds like it's rotten from the top down. Well, I think there are good people. And I really believe there are people working on the inside, like Colin Powell. Now, I don't know what you think, but I really feel that people like General Zinni and Colin Powell. (04:21) Right. Now, they're Americans. Yes, and they're real Americans. And they know what these people are doing. Colin Powell did as much as he could do, then he had to step out. Yes, he did. A really wonderful man. Yeah, working against impossible. And there are Marines, too, who are good, whom I know, who know what's going on and work within the system, like Zinni, speaking out, high level. Well, these are great Americans who are still there. (04:49) And Scott Ritter was a Marine who speaks out. Yep, well, Scott's work has been on all over the Internet and another truly amazing... Just wonderful work. They tried to trash him, too. Oh, they do. They have paid operatives who are trying to say, I'm making this up or whatever. But I have the pictures. I have the diary and Pastor Strawcutter has copies of them on his video. Going back to Ron Brown, another crook, took a wrong step and they removed him. But they removed a lot of other people, as well. (05:25) You're familiar with the story about Shelley Kelly, the stewardess. True story? Yeah, yeah, I heard that from Sarah. And Sarah heard it from... She was in contact with high-level generals, Sarah McClendon, senior White House correspondent. And I was there when that happened and when the naval chief was murdered. Borda. Yeah, there were quite a number of murders. It was an Air Force chief of staff who just was going in and his plane went down. (05:59) There was Clinton's birthday plane that went down on his birthday night. He was supposed to be on it. Oh, so Clinton was supposed to be exited. Yeah, Clinton. You see, Sarah believed that the guy who had the office across from Foster, Nussbaum, was involved with... Foster's murder? Yeah, because otherwise you find there is an assassin, a former assassin turned lawyer, who's given Harvard Law School or whatever, who has an office directly across from the good guy, the innocent... (06:38) The victim? Yeah, the victim. Amazing. Back in a minute, talk about Ron Brown and the fact that they would never allow his autopsy pictures, x-rays of his head to be shown. And much more with Kay Griggs after this. Alright, back with Kay Griggs. (08:15) Ron Brown's murder. We know the story about the woman, one of the medical examiners, Air Force, I think she was Air Force anyway, or Navy, tried to make the x-rays available. There was a hole in the top of his head about the size of a .45 caliber slug. They say they have weapons that can shoot frozen pieces of very cold ice. Oh, I had a copy which was taken out of my house of a book of just listing page after page of what they called non-lethal, which were very lethal by the way, weapons. (08:52) And it was put out, written, compiled by a doctor who was in San Diego area for this Air Force group in Colorado Springs. And you cannot believe the hideous, cruel, they had ice, you know, the ice bullets. I mean, it was just, I couldn't believe it. It was just like the brochure I saw with the Twin Towers and Bin Laden's face a year before 9-1-1, which was put out by the OPSEC group. I mean, literally before 9-1-1, they had a glossy colored book showing it off at the Naval Institute with the Twin Towers on the front and Bin Laden superimposed a year before the 9-1-1. (10:00) People, just citizens like me, just would not believe how thick some of these psychological operations that they use, the chemicals, the biologicals that they use on people, on human beings, and sometimes without their knowledge, you know, prisoners and soldiers who just have no idea that they're being used as guinea pigs. Not a clue. Not a clue. And I wouldn't have believed it either if I hadn't married the man I married. (10:44) When you talk about this to Sarah McClendon, she probably was not surprised by too much of it. Oh, no. In fact, Sarah told me, she said, she tried to get hold of me, which I think I mentioned to you, and was blocked. My phone was being blocked, and there, I could tell you some stories about that, and I mean, you would not believe it. She had to go to Maryland, and she called me, because she told me she was going to call (11:13) me back, and a couple of days, she was working on a book. They were writing a book about her, another book about her. And she had to go to Maryland and call me, and she said, Mrs. Griggs, I want you to come up here right away and talk to my study group in the press club. And so I went up, and, you know, she had to kind of hit me in the side to get me to talk, because there were all these, we asked where they were from, and there were people from (11:46) the, you know, FBI, CIA, military intelligence, NSA, who were sitting around this table just looking at me, and after having had death threats and windows smashed, and knowing that my husband's lawyer was Barry Cantor, who was an Air Force colonel, dirty trickster, bragged about it in Masonic Temple No. 1, and the three judges were also, I found out, in Masonic Temple No. (12:15) 1 in Norfolk, and they happened to have all been Jewish, and I don't know, you know, I'm not, but I just thought, well, this is really not fair when you've got military people who are in the same Masonic Lodge as judges, and my husband's lawyer. It's no wonder that my couple of lawyers just said, well, no, I don't think I can handle this case, because, you know, they were caught in my neighborhood, the Navy SEALs were, going in with my suitcase in the woods. (12:47) A judge who lives across the street found an open suitcase of mine that was in my car, and they'd taken it out, strewn, things were all over his woods. I mean, it was just, it's horrible, and I'm not the only wife. I mean, this is the norm. If the wife is in trouble, sometimes they do the dying, and I've talked to some wives whose husbands were murdered right in their own home. Is this, among this group, and you mentioned that Norfolk is quite, is it, (13:26) I guess there has to be a certain amount of fear-based underlying current to all of this, because the stakes are very high, and human life obviously means next to nothing to these people. No, not anything. Tell us more about Norfolk, which is, of course, one of the Navy's vital organs, as it were. Well, my whole family have been reserve Naval officers, but civilians, you know, business people, doctors, and attorneys, and so forth, and I, when I was a girl, you know, (14:04) made my debut and went to all the MIDI dances, had my picture shaking hands with Admiral McCain, with John McCain's father, you know, and the Navy, to me, is just a wonderful organization. Lots of my friends were Navy brats, and so forth, but I never, you know, we have in Norfolk the largest military complex in the world, and I don't know why they've done this, why they've concentrated the Air Force, NASA, Langley is here, we've got the, you know, (14:45) the whole Operations Army base at Fort Monroe, and Fort Story, they have these commands that are little commands that are on big bases. I mean, you think that Little Creek is just a Naval base, amphibious base, but it has, you know, there are subcommands on these bases, which are joint, and the same thing, you know, Dam Neck, they have the group that goes abroad and kills people, the 6th, SEAL Team 6, which is called Red Cell. (15:18) The Red Horse is another bunker builder group that's international. The red just means that they go abroad and they are involved with killing, and so forth. Purple is the level that my husband was on, you know, writing, signing his name in purple, and he showed me his purple pen, and, you know, he had a desk just like Rummy's, a stand tall desk, and, you know, he was trying to emulate Rummy and sort of, but, no, Norfolk is a really key place. We have aircraft carriers, and the Master Jet Base is here. (16:08) Sounds like one of the greatest targets in history. Well, yeah, and why would they concentrate all of this? We've also got an oil refinery, and, I mean, all these, it's just not a very safe place to be now. Doesn't sound like it. No. Talk more about Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. Well, in the diary, George, there's sort of a triumvirate, General Joy and General Carl Steiner, who was Army. (16:42) These were special ops people who did dirty tricks, and they were involved in the Waco. Dirty tricks, meaning deadly dirty tricks. Yeah, yeah, and Steiner and Joy were involved with what happened with Noriega, because, you know, they're booming boomboxes and poisoning, you know, it's just the whole rainbow of things that they can do to people to make them part of the PSYOP, you know, tricks, and so, anyway, the Clinton administration, Monica, I believe, was put there, planted there by (17:30) Carl Steiner, Linda Tripp worked for Carl Steiner, and Linda Tripp was under Nussbaum, and Linda Tripp was an operative. Her husband was an operative. She worked for Steiner down at the JFK little assassin school there at Fort Bragg. It's, you know, the elite group that was involved with naturally training the Rangers and, you know, the parade boys, the French, the guys with the red hats, I don't know, you know, they have all these colors, (18:08) switching things around, but she was an operative and had been, like so many of them, like North, caught with their hand in the tail when they were a teenager, and then told, well, we're going to protect you and not tell on you, but make you famous. In other words, that was the thing that got them into the criminal world within the military, and Linda Tripp was a handler for Monica, and... (18:37) Monica knew it, right? Of course, Monica had that psychological profile where she, you know, she was raised in the culture in which she was raised, it's okay to have sex, for girls to have sex. But she was a dual citizen as well, dual loyalist anyway. Yeah, dual, yeah, she was a Zionist, is, or whatever, and they, you know, if you've ever read and talked to those folks, they think it's, even in their, their scriptural writings, it's okay to have sex with children. (19:12) You know, it's, it's not considered bad, but she had, you know, and she has no guilt about it, and so naturally, when you put a girl who's young, who's already had a history of this kind of behavior in with the President, they knew what was going to happen. All right, hold on, we'll pause and come right back with Kay Griggs. There are a lot of books out there, by the way, which underwrite, substantiate, validate all the things she's saying, and we'll talk about some of those as well. (19:47) For those of you who are honestly skeptical and would like more proof, we'll offer some choices for you to pursue, and other things as well. So, hang on, we'll be right back. Back with more after the top of the hour break. Hi, welcome back, talking with Kay Griggs, our number three coming up, our second conversation, (21:28) our first one on August the 3rd is in the archives for you to check out. I've also moved Greg Simansky's article back up to the first news block. It's up there right now. You can see it as the title sticks right out, The Evil Lurking Within. Please do read it and summarize some of what we talked about tonight and talk about much more as well. The major players, the big names, all from her former husband's arrogant, inebriated (21:57) ramblings as she has been describing. There are so many of them. This went on for how many years, Kay? Well, until he would leave and come back, you know, he couldn't stop drinking, but I tried really, really hard to get him to stop drinking. He went to counselors and the VA. Did he ever get to the point where he said, you know, okay, I've talked too much. Don't repeat this. Did he warn you about that? He must have. (22:33) Yeah. Well, he did one time when he was drinking, a couple of, well, there were a number of incidents that were akin to that, where he would just put a pistol to my head and tell me to, you know, not think about that or talk about that anymore. And that's when I started biting my fingernails because I never, I knew he had this big rifle, but I didn't know that he had this pistol and he, you know, he would get into these, (23:04) he'd run around the house with no clothes on, he'd run outside and yell and scream. I mean, he wasn't, I'm sure that they knew how he was and I could not get anybody to help me. And this was after wife number one was dead and that's not right. Now you suffered, you suffered a lot of physical abuse too. He broke, he broke my leg, he socked me in the chest and I still have just these veins that are, you know, popped. (23:43) He tried to kill me quite a number of times, but he was, he was deranged when, when he was like that. He'd wake up in the middle of the night and just, you know, kick me out of bed. And of course this is post-traumatic stress and I didn't know anything about it, but I tried to get some help for him and for me really hard. But the problem was that he, he, that gun was, was a special registered gun and I did (24:17) a bad thing. I just, one, one day I found it and I took it and threw it in the river and boy, he warned me then. You know, I mean, I, I was talked to a number of times when I was down there at the Marine Corps base. And I took the pictures in the Austin club that night. That was a really bad thing for me to do. He chased me down the dock and I, you know, jumped in the water and held onto the piers. I, it was, I was raised with brothers on a farm and I'm telling you, um, it was tough. (24:55) I mean, I'm a country girl, but I've never thought back. I mean, I don't believe in that. I believe in talking and communicating and trying to get help coming from a medical family. So, uh, they, they knew how he was and he's married again and I'm, I'm really frightened. For her, but, um, hopefully, you know, they've got him on some pills or something. How, how do you view the Bush presidency? I mean, his, his whole, the whole process, his original, his original nomination and (25:36) everything. Now, two presidential elections stolen, basically. It's a farce. It's really sad to me because you, you know, he's, he's not right. You can just look at him. He sort of reminds me of Alfred E. Newman. Yeah. I mean, I like his, his mother, um, and, uh, George introduced George Bush Sr. to Parker Host and, um, George is very close. My husband is very close to George Bush and James Baker. James Baker's a Marine and he was in Cap and Gown. (26:10) So, you know, but, um, I mean, I, I think he's just being run by these, these Zionists and they could care less about America. I think it's part of their plan. Using this as a cash cow. Absolutely. They're just a, it's a parasitic relationship. They're Trotskyites and they are, uh, wanting to destroy America from within. They're doing a good job. Did your husband ever, did you ever talk to your husband about the, the obvious (26:39) intentional opening of America's borders to Latin America and the flood tide of 20 to 25 million illegal aliens and what they're doing to what's left of our economy? Do you ever talk to him about that? Yeah. It, you see, it's all part of the word shape, you know, think about the word shape, shaping the new world order. Right. This group that is now has totally stolen our military, our banks, our, um, and they're trying to destroy our culture, um, from within. (27:15) This is what they plan to do. What, what the Galen group and the, you know, the Germans and the, the, uh, Russian Soviet, um, you know, the, the group that came in was led in by, uh, by the thousands after World War II was institutionalized. So it, you know, everybody knows what, you know, the red cell does and who controls the Marine Corps, 4th Marine. We, we, you know, temperify Dallas is the Rothschild coat of arms and Roth (27:55) means red shield and the money that, you know, so. No. So no problem for, uh, American troops to fire on Americans if necessary in the streets here. No, I, in my view, um, because these people, they've, they've been bringing in unbeknownst to most American citizens. I've known about it ever since I was married to George. They, they, they bring in by the thousands through the department of state, young boys who might be 18 years old through the, through the, uh, (28:28) military attache, the embassy, they pick out rising stars, the diplomat fund, and they turn them, they bring them to the United States. They give them $850 a month. They are, they do criminal activity or murders and fascinations. And in four years, guess what? They become a citizen. So they're literally bribed to become an American citizen, um, or their sister in India having a wedding and they, they just struggle and it's just (29:05) been going on for so long. And they train at, at Quantico. It's, um, it's no secret. That, that they do all of this joint training with Germans, Israelis, Indians, Koreans, Indonesians, Iranians. They brought over thousands of, of Iranians, uh, Swartzkopf dad introduced the Masonic quote unquote religion to Iran in the twenties to brainwash them. And then in the sixties, they just poured into, uh, schools like, uh, VMI (29:46) and the Citadel and West Point and Annapolis just, you know, 30, 40 in a year, and then they go back and they're, you know, all their secrets are known. And they can be used by the CIA or whatever to, the Israelis to, they can make somebody poor like Oswald, you know, go from job to job, or even like my husband, I mean, he had to go when he was ordered. And they still feel as though they're poor, and they, so they can still do anything. (30:26) They, it's a love-hate kind of thing, they use fear tactics and they use money. What do you see happening? There's all this chatter and noise on the internet about another 9-11, I'm so tired of seeing people predict there's going to be a nuclear attack on the American city. Oh, I know, I don't, that to me, I mean, if there is, we know it's done out of Fort Monroe, but I'm not, I don't know, I mean, I think that it's like so many things, if (30:56) people are aware of this General, I mean, he, bless his heart, because he is a sacrificial lamb of that guy that, you know, Hadley and the General, that German General, what's his name, who was the Chief of Staff of the Army, who really is strange. You know, Miller, that Jeffrey Miller down there. Oh yeah, so many stories, so many people, and you've, you've just pulled so many things out of the darkness tonight for us to take another look at. (31:38) Well, truth is light, and light is truth, and God is in charge, and it only takes one or two people. Look at what Christ did. Well, it's true. You know? You're making your contribution, my friend. Stand by me. I love this country. Yeah. And I love Virginia. A lot of us do, so hold on, we'll be right back. Okay, and we're back with Kay Griggs. (33:05) Kay, for those who may be doubting any of this, and kind of, yeah, she's just a bitter ex-wife, she's out for publicity, you know how people are when they're not honest skeptics or questioners. What other books would you recommend? What books in general would you recommend? What resources? Well, I'm a former schoolteacher and history major, and I think that for people who don't, it depends on what they want to know about, there are people like David Wise, who knows (33:35) about the inside of the intelligence community, who's written any number of books, fiction and non-fiction, like The Spy Who Got Away, Spectrum, Norman Mailer, Harlot Ghost is just a general kind of fiction book, but he was definitely in the intelligence, CIA, assassin kind of world, and you can read any of those books. For people who want to know about our assassination of men, there are lots of non-fiction books, (34:20) like Widows, Four American Spies, The Wives They Left Behind, and that's by Corson and Trento, Susan Trento and Joseph Trento, that is an excellent book. It's called Widows, and there are three authors there who really tell about how the army and the military murder their own, and there are books like William Hoffman and Lake Headley, H-E-A-D-L-E-Y's book Contract Killer, which tells about the military's involvement with (34:59) the mafia, what the most notorious mafia hitman, Donald Tony the Greek Franco, and he was supposed to have murdered Hoffa, but it tells how the military, his training in the military, really enabled him to not spend any time in prison, and to make friends with police officers, and in other words, these guys, and I'm not saying because they're white, but generally, if they're African American or women, we're way down on the totem pole, so Marilyn Monroe (35:41) or Martha Mitchell or Mary Myers, just neutralize us, or the blacks, or Martha Stewart. Yeah, what do you know about Martha Stewart? Well, she fired, and I'm not anti-homosexual either, I just don't like it when they rape little boys like my husband, you know, and Oswald, but she was targeted by this homosexual whom she fired, and they're really rage-filled people when they, you know, they don't like women, they don't like women who have power. (36:14) Look at the Roman Catholic Church, what they did to Cathar. Well, let's go back to the late 1970s when homosexual radicals, I'm not talking about all homosexuals, homosexual radicals fought and succeeded in destroying the most obvious common-sense kinds of public health policies we should have immediately adopted to deal with HIV AIDS. They destroyed them, and that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. They treated, they demanded, they bribed, they forced our public health policies to (36:54) reconfigure themselves to treat HIV AIDS as a social disease. To this day, we have no legal right to know who is or who is not infected and carrying up to 30 opportunistic diseases. We do not have the right to know. However, if someone has syphilis, they're tracked, they're identified, all their contacts are traced, but not HIV AIDS. So, yes, we go back, you're right, there is a homosexual rage among certain members of that community, the radicals. (37:25) They are absolutely responsible for a catastrophe in this country. And it's the same reason that they don't let people know in Virginia who the child pedophiles are. You know, the pedophile group is very, you know, they're involved with some of the homosexuals. And, you know, police officers like the one Shorty Satterwhite, who was a Marine, who was a known homosexual in the Virginia Beach Police Department, who was assigned to me with (38:00) the house break-ins. And I found out, you know, not only was he homosexual, but he had served as a Marine for 20 years. And the FBI guy, you know, the same thing happened where I called the FBI, and there was Dan McNally, and found out that he was a Cherry Marine, and he had served under Al Gray. And, you know, it's kind of as though the pedophiles, you can't find out who the pedophiles are. (38:32) These priests, like David Ferry, he'd been outed as a pedophile priest in Illinois, but he was sent down to New Orleans, and he was recruiting and raping little boys. And if you read William Manchester's book, The Arms of Krupp, William Manchester was a very bright Marine. He was a great writer. Yeah, and this book, The Arms of Krupp, will tell readers, people who don't believe about the German disease and the high command being this way, just read The Arms of Krupp, and what went on on the Isle of Capri. (39:13) Well, all right. So... Stand by, a break at the bottom of the hour here. Come back, two more segments to go with Kay Griggs. And if anyone wants to call in, we're on delay in many places, but some of you are listening, certainly live right now, many, in fact. If you want to call in with a question, perhaps, 800-259-9231. 800-259-9231. A lot of sharp folks listening out there now, and if you want to ask this brave lady something, go ahead, give us a ring. 800-259-9231. (39:56) 800-259-9231. Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Hi, I'm back with Kay Griggs. September 11th, the amount of data piling up now, which not only refutes but makes an utter mockery of the government's lousy, transparent attempt to cover this great crime up is about the size of Mount Everest now. There's a lot of disinformation out there, but in general, this thing reeks. Any idea who planned it, who carried it out, from your perspective, what are your thoughts (41:04) on that? Well, I know that there were a couple of operations that began exactly that day. Yeah, there were, I think, four altogether, believe it or not. Yeah, and one of them was run out of Tampa by the second in command, a Marine, and the head guy just happened to be away, and the joint chief, the head, happened to be away, and a Marine was running back. I think it was called Bright Star, you know, very masonic, and it involved, you know, people (41:41) getting in planes and thinking that they were playing a game, and some of my friends around here who have married guys like George feel that, do you remember the Justice Department number two guy whose wife was on one of those planes? Right. And they feel that possibly these guys were working for the Tampa German, in other words, it was a German involvement with ATTA and so forth, and I know that... Well, he was over there for a while. (42:18) Well, my husband had these Germans over one of the times just before he left, and this was a very high-level Brentistock member, and they're all involved with operations because operations are income-producing, and, you know, they're fun, quote-unquote, they think they're fun, and they're planned in Suffolk. We have a huge game room for military and civilian boys who haven't grown up, and they plan a number of the Twin Towers being hit by planes, and I think that everybody knows (43:08) about these operations, and there was one in London that went on exactly the same day and the same tube station and the same bus, which, these are not games that are just... These are real operations. Right, this was a big-time program. Absolutely it was, without a question. No question. Everybody seems to know it but Americans. Well, even on the street here they know it. I mean, everybody feels that way. Well, they're intuitively waking up, but I mean, yeah, the Europeans... (43:37) In Virginia? I don't know one adult person who doesn't believe that 9-1-1 was an inside job. Inside and outside the military? Yeah. There you go. Yeah, Europeans have been well ahead of us on this, but America has awakened as much as it's probably going to, as a tremendous groundswell of revulsion and disgust by this. Do you see these killers? I've said it before. I don't think they're ever going to give up willingly on their control. (44:08) I think they'll take as much of the planet down with them as they can before giving it up. Do you agree? Well, that's what I'm afraid of. I mean, if you have people, robotic Manchurian candidates, like a Schoonmaker, you know, this Able Danger, and you've got committees led by Maureen Duck and Hunter and guys like John Layman, who, you know what he was doing at Tailhook, and, I mean, Tim Romer and his reputation, my goodness, and you've got people who have things to hide, like Gilmour, and (44:50) you have them overseeing 9-1-1, there's a problem. When they named Henry Kissinger, I mean, the game was obvious, and that ended it right there. Well, let's take a few calls from folks here who have some questions for you. Let's go to San Francisco and say hello to Julian. Hi, Julian. Thanks for listening. What's your question for Kay Griggs? Yeah, great show and great guest tonight, Jeff. Thank you, sir. My question for Kay is, how far does she think the Valerie Plame grand jury investigation (45:23) will go in Chicago? Well, I think it depends on the guy who's in charge and what kind of pressure they put on him. Fitzpatrick? Yeah. And, you know, Illinois is quite a place for the Democrats and the Republicans, and if there's any pressure to be applied to him, it certainly will be, and they'll get rid of a son. They tried to get Gore's son, they've made threats against Perot's daughter. Well, Gore's son, by the way, married the granddaughter of Jacob Schiff. (46:07) Isn't that amazing? Talk about an Illuminati wedding. Exactly. Protecting. Man. Yeah, that's protecting him. Unreal. Well, we don't know, Julian, and the bottom line is these indictments, if they're real and there's evidence to suggest that they are quite real, they may never go anywhere. They just could be buried. Exactly. We just don't know, and there's so much, again, power and pressure, and the power is life (46:30) and death here. A couple phone calls and these things just don't move, that's my feeling. Yeah. Well, thank you for taking my call. Thanks very much for being out there and caring. We appreciate it. Sure. All right, in New York, Posey has called in. Hello, Posey. Hi. Welcome. What's your question? I just tuned in and I heard you talking about the homosexuals, and I was wondering if you ever heard of the Saturn Project? (46:57) Spell it. It's Saturn, like the planet Saturn Project. Okay. Saturn. Ever heard of the Saturn Project? No, no, I haven't, but I've heard a lot about some of the various ones that, you know, are involved with the ... There are a number of books and so forth. The expert on that is Colonel Ron Ray, who wrote a book called Military Necessity and Homosexuality. Oh, really? That's Colonel Ron Ray. That's an excellent book from a Marine telling about it. (47:26) There's another excellent one. Give the title again, Kay. It's Military Necessity and Homosexuality, published in Louisville, Kentucky, First Principals Press, 1993, by Colonel Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps. All right. Write that down. There's another excellent book, I believe it's Randy Schiltz, S-H-I-L-T-S, called Conduct Unbecoming, about gays and lesbians in the U.S. military, St. Martin's Press, 1993. (48:09) The bottom line is, there's a ton of material out there, Posey, and Saturn project may have been one of many. We don't know, but it is being used to control, manipulate, and usurp the individuality of too many people, unfortunately, and not just a lifestyle issue, it's a political tool now. Yes. Well, everything that's involved, every human trait is being used against us. You got it, my friend. Thanks for the call. (48:35) That's what they were looking for. Yes, sir. Take care. We'll take a short break and come right back with Kay Griggs in just a couple of minutes. Hi, welcome back, and again, our phone number, we have a couple of callers on hold, 1-800-259-9231. 800-259-9231, Kay Griggs, my guest tonight. In part two, the first one is in the archives on October, August rather, August 3rd in LA, Ray has called in. (49:44) Hi, Ray. Welcome. Hi. Go right ahead. Yeah, hi. I was wanting to ask a couple of things. I guess I'll just throw these questions out. Oh, just one at a time, please. Okay. Well, first of all, I was wondering about, you know, because Bohemian Grove just... Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs (51:34) Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs