68. John Bowes, F16 pilot that was grounded because he did not get the shot.

Today I talk with LT John Bowes. He is a F16 pilot that was grounded for not taking the shot. We talk about his struggle to keep moving forward and we discuss the NDAA.
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68. John Bowes-1
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Nurse Kelly: [00:00:00] Welcome to after Hours with Dr. SIgoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr.

Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now to Dr. Sigoloff.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much. Those all of this is to help me pay for my legal fees. As many of y'all know, I spent over $60,000 and just got a $10,000 grant on top of that, so that's $70,000 I've spent in legal fees. And the reason all that's important, we're gonna get into a little bit with the N D A A here with John Bowes.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So John Bowes, he's a. Graduate of the academy, the Air Force Academy, and then went straight into flight school. And during that process, right when he first came out is when the whole mandate came down. So he's, he's a very young leader, but he's. He, he's not timid at all, which I love. I think it's, it's great.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We need to have more young leaders that are not timid, that are ready to, to just go and do the right thing. And that's what we've been doing. And he's been kind of the, the unofficial leader, right? Cuz we're, we're not an organized group. This is this is not some sort of organization that we have. It's just people leading, men leading, women leading and doing the right thing at the right [00:02:00] time.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So John, thank you so much for coming on with us and thank you for sharing some of your, being ready to share some of your story with us.

John Bowes: Well, hey, thank you so much for having me on. And of course as always these thoughts and a page of my own, I'm not speaking on behalf of the Department of Defense or the US Air Force. I'm simply speaking as a concerned citizen today. But nonetheless, yeah, it's been it's been an interesting experience taking a mantle of leadership in this mandate.

John Bowes: But nonetheless, I think we've seen some success now at this point. So I'm eager to talk about that and, and share my story. And I appreciate you having.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Thank you so much. One thing that I've, I've mentioned with these commander's call series that I did is there's two types of leaders, those appointed and those who emerge.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you are definitely one of those emerged leaders, which are true leaders, right? Because other, other humans look up to you. Other men and women look up to you and say, he's someone I wanna follow. He's doing the right thing. He has a vision, and, and that's the best kind of leadership

John Bowes: I.

John Bowes: [00:03:00] Well, I appreciate that. Those are very kind words. Thank you. But yeah, you know when, when it, when it comes to leadership, especially in, in, in something like this where it's really everyone is on a peer-to-peer level the lines are blurred and there's no organization, like you said, this has certainly has not been a mutiny.

John Bowes: It's simply just been people organizing in the grassroots fashion in order to. Stand up for their rights and their beliefs and their constitution as oaths and officers and, and listed members. So with that comes interesting dynamics and challenges that have been exciting and interesting, but also rewarding to see so many Americans come together and do the right thing.

John Bowes: And it's, it's hardly taken leadership on my end to get people to do the right thing because that's exactly what we've been doing this whole time. So with that, you know, it's. It's almost fun, as I say sometimes to be able to have that responsibility and, and to work with so many amazing people.

John Bowes: And I think it's one of those things that this kind of coalition that's been established across everyone who's spoken up about the mandates is gonna last a long time and it's gonna do a lot of good in things past just vaccines and covid.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So when [00:04:00] the mandate came down, where were you? Like, what, what were you doing?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What were you sitting? Were you still in the school? Were you at the end of the school? He just graduated. Give us all the.

John Bowes: Yeah, sure. So I had just graduated a Euro NATO joint jet pilot training. It's basically a NATO pilot training program that is somewhat selective but ends up training specifically for the purpose of making fighter pilots. Unlike some of the other pilot training bases that, that generally focus more on producing pilots, some fighter pilots, some heavy trans.

John Bowes: Ports, some tankers, things like that. And so coming outta that program, I was extremely stoked. I was given the chance to fly the F 16 and I began training actually when, when the mandates came down, I was getting ready to fly my first flight in the F 16. I was only about a week out from that. And August 24th is when the mandate came down.

John Bowes: I. Started wondering what was gonna happen to me if I had to say no to this vaccine or request a religious accommodation, which of course is what I did. And on September 21st a couple weeks before I flew my first right in the of 16, I was told that you either get the shot. And [00:05:00] keep flying or you request a religious accommodation or medical exemption and we're gonna ground you.

John Bowes: And that's exactly what happened was as soon as I said, okay, well, I'm requesting religious accommodation, they said, all right, well you're outta the program. You're grounded. And hang tight, I guess. This is basically the answer that I got. Now, I certainly don't want to disparage anyone on my chain of command.

John Bowes: My commander, especially was, was very supportive in, in helpful in this process. And he was about as disgruntled as I was potentially that maybe this wasn't the right call to make when it comes to Just common sense in national security. But I won't speak from him on that issue. I certainly was, but nonetheless, that's kind of where I said oh, the DOD made a mistake.

John Bowes: They gave a board lieutenant with nothing but time on his hands. And so that's kind of where I started taking a leadership role in this fight was, was organizing people and kind of working the network that I already. In order to kind of put together something that resulted in what we have today, which is, which is quite the incredible network of, of people and service members.

John Bowes: And I won't take all the credit for that. It's certainly not what I'm trying to say, but at the very least you know, a network is what I created with a couple thousand [00:06:00] people. And, and we started to grow and connect with each other like we're doing right now. And the rest is history. We've since of course, gotten this through the N D A A and we've got our first big step towards victory.

John Bowes: Yeah.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That, that's amazing. I'm just, I'm really impressed being so, you know, fresh outta school and being so young and having such a seemingly great thing ahead of you. Right? Like, I'm, I'm a doctor, I don't know anything about flying, but it seems like the F 16 seems like that's, that's arriving. But what do I know?

John Bowes: Well, yeah, it was my life dream. Both my parents were pilots. My dad was a fighter pilot. My mom was an instructor pilot. So I literally grew up in the Air Force watching jets take off every single day. I was obsessed with it for as long as I can remember, and I put all of my eggs in the fighter pilot basket from a very young age.

John Bowes: In fact, I remember in middle school I was already like, I'm gonna be a fighter pilot, and you know what? This science fair experiment that I'm doing right. Going to matter for that. And so there was a, there was definitely a habit of excellence that I built and, and good [00:07:00] habits that I created for myself that ultimately led me to where I am.

John Bowes: And I did not have a backup plan at all. And so it did come to a shock to me absolutely. When I, and I got grounded and thought maybe, you know, there's a chance I'm gonna get kicked outta the Air Force. And I, I don't really know what I'm gonna do with myself after. And thankfully now there's you know, a lot of options in the future and we're probably not gonna get kicked out, which is wonderful.

John Bowes: And I can go back to putting all my eggs in the fighter pilot basket again. But nonetheless, I think from here on out, there's gonna be a big focus on, on doing good and, and, and, and making sure that leadership is, is held accountable for things.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what, what help give you this drive through this whole thing?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is there, is there something that's, that's motivating you? Do you have a religious background? Do you have. just a strong idea of what's right and wrong, or, you know, what, what's, what's the motivation behind?

John Bowes: Yeah. So, you know I call I call on a real personal level. I call this this, this mandate that's come down this year and a half or so that I've been out of the jet, like my time in the desert because for, [00:08:00] for a while, for a long time before about. Summer of 2021. I wasn't extremely religious person.

John Bowes: Nor was I spiritual. I wasn't, I did not have a relationship with God or anything else of the sort. And, and over the summer, right before the mandates came down, I kind of had to come to Jesus moment, if you will. Where I realized I needed to get serious and strong about my faith. And there was a whole number of different Coincidences, if you will.

John Bowes: I'll call it the Holy Spirit. That happened in order to kind of get me going back to church again, getting serious about my faith. And I fell back in love with my faith pretty much right before the mandates came down. And, and you know, the mandates and, and the, the thread of the mandates were certainly a factor in me.

John Bowes: Getting serious about my faith again, but it was almost independent of that to some degree. I think it was just looking at the world and what's happening today and the kind of the degeneracy and, and unfortunate circumstances that we face every single day when it comes to morality in this world. And I got serious about my faith again.

John Bowes: And so when that happened is pretty much right when the mandate came down and that was something that was an absolute blessing to receive right before that because it's the [00:09:00] only thing I could really lean. The time, which was that, you know, my faith in God is exactly what gives me the hope for the future.

John Bowes: And what lets me know that everything's gonna be okay. And even if it's not okay, I know that the reward will be some other place in some other life. And so with that that's really what I leaned on and that's really what, what. what gave me the strength to press on. And, and outside of that just principle, you know, I'm a hardheaded, stubborn guy.

John Bowes: I think a lot of fighter pilots are, so it's kind of in our blood. And so regardless of that too, you know, just the simple fact that it was the principle, the matter, it was the right thing to do was enough to to want to fight this and, and God got me through the rest of it. So that's really what happened.

John Bowes: And what, what. Forced me to kind of start that. We could get into the talk about, you know, fetal cells in the vaccine. I think that that topic's probably been beaten to death at this point. But nonetheless, that was my primary reason for my religious accommodation.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, that's wonderful that that was kind of a, I had no idea what the answer was gonna be, but I was pleasantly surprised and was hoping that, was it, that it was a religious belief that pushed you through this.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cuz it seems to be that is what has helped most service members get through this. And [00:10:00] right now I'm holding up a constitution and a declaration and this document is based on religious principles, you know, Judeo-Christian religious principles. It's the only thing that gets us through. I mean, just how you said it was like my going out into the desert.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: just like the Jews when they left, when they left enslavement, they went out into the desert and that was their fault that they were there for 40 years. They should not have been there for thir. That was not the plan. But when you don't listen and you don't follow God things get worse. And when you do follow God, life is better.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that doesn't mean that you're physically better. You know, like that means that you have a peace and understanding that passes anything in the world. And so that allows you to get through it and to live through it. And you know that there will be justice one day. . Let's talk a little bit about that N D A A that you had mentioned.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what is that and what's the news on that? And just, this may be airing, you know, maybe a couple weeks after we've actually recorded but, but as of yesterday, there was a news report, I think it was on the Washington Times that I read that said that the [00:11:00] president was going to sign the N D A A. Now, what are some of the implications?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What does that mean to.

John Bowes: Yeah. So for those that don't know, the, the National Defense Authorization Act, N D A A is basically just a an annual spending bill and military centric bill that's passed by Congress for the most simplistic of terms. And really what happened with that is that pretty much out of the blue, it came totally unexpectedly a, a few weeks ago, and today is the 20th of December.

John Bowes: A few weeks before that that Congress just decided that this is the thing they wanted to talk about. And, and it was super shocking to me, and I think a lot of other people because for a long time we had gotten responses from a few small coalition of, of, of members of Congress that they were supporting us and they would tweet about us and things like that.

John Bowes: But that was about as far as it went. And then just out of left field Senator Blackburn, Senator Paul Senator Cruz McCarthy, and the house side. And a bunch of others just, just started swinging for us. And that's great. I'm not complaining even a little bit about that. But [00:12:00] it certainly seemed to be that maybe McCarthy was hedging his speaker hood on.

John Bowes: Whatever sort of politics were at play and there's always politics at play. It worked out in our favor to some degree, right? So what, what ended up being passed in the N D A A was basically just a very short statement. I wish I had it on me. I don't have an on me. I would read it verbatim, but in essence what that says is that the 24th August memo, Instituted the mandate from Secretary Lloyd Austin would be rescinded 30 days after the passage of this bill.

John Bowes: So really all that means is that the piece of paper that says you have to get the vaccine is gone now. Now, I don't know if anyone else can extrapolate or has already extrapolated the consequences of that downstream, but here's really the worst case scenario and I'll kind of talk about the best case scenario as well.

John Bowes: The worst case scenario is that the d o D says, copy y'all, mandates over. , but since there's still an acknowledgement that this isn't a law, this is a lawful order, there's nothing in law that says that this order [00:13:00] was unlawful, we're still going to punish those that refuse the vaccine when it was a valid mandate because the N D A never says that this was never a valid mandated, simply only says, rescind the memo, which acknowledges the validity of the memo to some.

John Bowes: And so hopefully I'm not losing anyone here when I say that. The Department of Defense could potentially continue to discharge people, continue to punish people, keep their records marred by misconduct. And basically just put us in a bad situation where we'll suffer through the rest of our careers.

John Bowes: And if we're not kicked out, you know, we'll be punished for the rest of our careers until, until we leave. . That's the worst case scenario. Now let's talk a bit about the intent of the N D A A, which has been made clear by pretty much everyone in Congress, who's, who's fought for us via this legislation.

John Bowes: And the intent is, of course, to end the mandate. And their biggest thing, and they really love this term, is national security. That's why I've said it so many times in front of a camera. I'm blue in the face from it already of saying national security in front of a camera. But it's the thing [00:14:00] that they want to talk about.

John Bowes: And I think it's an impor, a very. Factor too. Of course. Ultimately, I think just doing the right thing is really the crux of the reason why we're dying on this hill. But nonetheless, national security is probably the biggest consequence outside of anything moral that we can have from this mandate. And so with national security, their plan is of course to say, okay, well let's end this mandate so we can start fixing our recruiting and retention issues, which are aby.

John Bowes: And I can get into the stats or not. They're not good if you read my word for it, and I've talked about it in other interviews before. But that's really the crux of the issue. And so if, if, if the intent of this bill was to fix national security, continuing to discharge the tens of thousands of service members who or fighting the mandates is, is, is counterproductive to the intent.

John Bowes: And so that's what the worst case scenario is. The best case scenario. I, I've heard some rumors that there's some backdoor talks about potentially just stopping all punitive action. The DOD is gonna interpret the bill the way it was intended without having to play any sort of legal trickery with the law and the way it's written.

John Bowes: And things are just gonna go [00:15:00] mostly back to normal. But I'll tell you right now, that's still not enough. No, that's not.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not enough at all. Not even kind of closely enough. And, and the reason is if you, and I've said this a few other places, but it's kinda like going to the judge and saying, your Honor, the defendant burnt my house down.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then the judge says, well, plaintiff, you don't have a house. How could it be burned down? Right, your Honor, it's cuz he burnt it down. And so a problem with a lot of these is these. A lot of these cases are gonna be considered moot, which means in legal terms, you don't have a case. Like you don't have a case.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cause you don't have a house. So how could it burned down? Well, they already burned it down, so how can I, you know, it's this kind of catch 22 and there have been crimes committed against humanity in that humanity happens to be the military population. And none of, if this just disappears and we never find out that we never have it go to court.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To have this proven that there is crimes committed, then there's no precedence that's ever set. Like the, [00:16:00] the precedence that was set with was it the, the Dovers Rumsfeld case with Dale Soran and that whole case. The only reason that this is illegal now, it's unlawful to make people do something, but it's illegal now because of the precedence that was set in the Do First Rumsfeld case, which.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, okay. We're not gonna have a mandate right now, but in six months in a year, when everyone forgets about this, which most people never even knew about this, most civilian population had no idea what was going on in the military, they're gonna reinstate it, but maybe it'll be for the flu shot that now has the lip nanoparticle in it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and, and lemme be clear, I'm not saying that the, sorry, sorry, one second. Let me make clarity. I'm not saying that the flu shot does have the lipid nanoparticle in it, but it's a likely a manner of a matter of time for that flu shot and every shot to start having those lipid nanoparticles in it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because go, go back and listen to my Bio warfare part one series, episode number 33. I truly believe it is the lipid nanoparticle that is the bio.[00:17:00]

John Bowes: Yeah. You know, there's, there's a whole, there's a whole plethora of different factors that can go into that, you know, that worst case scenario, like I talked about with, with the admittedly weak language of the N D A A, excuse me, but. Nonetheless, you know, in talking about what, what's the actual solution? I really don't like talking about problems without providing solutions.

John Bowes: It's just the nature of the officer in me. And, and so when, when you're, when you're talking about that, How do we fix national security? How do we actually come to what we do in emergency procedures in the flying community, which is come to a safe and logical conclusion? That's why the way I like to frame it what is, what is the ultimate thing that wraps all of the loose ends up and puts it into a nice little bag with a bow on it that says, The anti-vaxxers won if you will.

John Bowes: And with that would would come basically legislation that one reinstates service members with Back Pay Congress. I hope you're listening cuz this I think is very important. Reinstate [00:18:00] service members with back pay, those that were discharged. two Expunges the records the misconduct records of all service members for anything COVID related.

John Bowes: I think that includes masking and testing. Clear the records, make things right. Three would be allow service members who missed out on opportunities in their career to now have those opportunities. Again, those who missed TDWise, those who miss schooling, those who missed PCSs and moves to new locations.

John Bowes: That should be made whole again. And I think most importantly probably is an acknowledgement in law by Congress that this is not gonna happen again cuz it's already happened twice Now with anthrax it's already happened twice. It does not need to happen again. And I think that looks at. Medical freedom, I think they're probably, in a perfect world, should be a medical freedom bill that essentially states that you're not gonna mandate anything anymore if people don't want a medical treatment, they don't have to get it, end, stop period.

John Bowes: And I, I don't e I'm not even interested in compromises on that. I think that's really the most important one is to make sure that in the annals of [00:19:00] history, if we win, if we're, if the Richter's write history, like this is what we need to write which is this is not gonna happen. Period. I think the bills that already exist 10 US code 1107 a needs to be modified and made, made more clear to say that, you know, these medical products, emergency use, authorized or not, are not to be mandated anymore.

John Bowes: And I think maybe there's a big distinction there that's important is that even if it's FDA licensed, it probably shouldn't be, man. It shouldn't be mandated. So that's kind of the perfect story. That's, that's the fairy tale that I think we're all hanging our hats on. Do I think it's likely that we'll get all of that.

John Bowes: Probably not. Realistically, I don't think it's likely. But nonetheless, I think if we're talking about prioritization and what we should be talking about and, and what Congress should be passing, especially come January with a new, with a new Congress that admittedly I'm not being political here as a service member, just simply saying there's more people that support us that are gonna be in Congress come January.

John Bowes: And those, those legislators as constituents we need to appeal to in order to. make some of those things happen. And so I think that's the next focus moving forward as service [00:20:00] members who are speaking up about this. Cause our work isn't done. It is, is targeting those things. Yeah. You made some good

John Bowes: points.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think one thing that we need to go back and remember is if we look at Nuremberg, so this is post World War ii. And we, we as a world we met together in this city in Germany called Nuremberg. For anyone who doesn't know, I think most of us do know, but we'll do a quick recap and we said, what, what the Nazis did to the people in these concentration camps, the Jews and the, the homosexuals and the, the gypsies and all the people that were the undesirables.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What they did was so egregious that yeah, there was no law against. But it's written in the code of our heart that what they did was wrong. Like everyone, everyone knows that this is bad. And we came together as a world, and the United States kind of led this charge that we, we took them to trial and we actually hung doctors and hung nurses.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm not saying I wanna make it very clear, I'm not advocating for vigilante justice, but we were the, the moral leaders at the time, and now we're the, [00:21:00] we're. I wouldn't say we're leading that charge because what's going on in Australia is horrific. I've spoken to some people down there and it's absolutely horrific, but, but we're not far behind them.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, they're, they're locking people up and they're, they're actually, from what I understand is they've forced, some people have been forced, held down and forced different than coerced. But we're not far behind them. And, and you mentioned 10 USC 1107. It already says in there that we can't have mandated or coerced use of ewe products.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So it's kinda like the situation, where was it? Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson. He was taking the, the natives off of the, the reservations and the Supreme Court said, no, you can't do that. And he said, okay, well then. , we're, we're kind of in that position right now. Like the law is on our side, but no one's reading it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: How do we get people to understand the words that they meet, they read are, they're actually doing the opposite of what that says. They're, they're disobeying those words already. So how do we, I [00:22:00] don't know if you have a solution for that, and that's, if you don't, that's okay cuz that that's, that is the crux of the issue that we're all.

John Bowes: Yeah, that, that's a, that's a complicated question. Especially, you know, as service members, as, as officers in the military in the chain of command that sort of advocacy becomes very delicate and careful work. and I've, I've certainly done my best to try and do that and, and make it clear that, you know, I'm not disparaging my chain of command.

John Bowes: I'm not giving an opinion on my chain of command. Chain of command, excuse me. Nor am I giving an opinion, good or bad, right or wrong on Congress. I'm simply just talking about the issues as they, as they are and being extremely objective about it. . But nonetheless you know, with with that comes a responsibility that we all have for doing the right thing and standing up for the Constitution and our oaths officers to support and defend the Constitution.

John Bowes: . And with that, if there, if there is a threat to constitutional rights in the form of you know, a federal agency that's not following the law the [00:23:00] law, which is, you know, appointed by members who have been appointed by the Constitution, right? That, that's, that's part of our oath. And so how, how you.

John Bowes: You enforce law that's valid and, and real and, and passed by Congress and, and, and signed by the president of the United States and law that has been passed in the, in the past, like 1107 A. . You know, I think we, we've done our duty and I think continuing to do exactly what we're doing right now is, is really the only way to do it.

John Bowes: And that is to make the American people, the people who ultimately hold the power in this country, aware of what's happening, and do it in a respectful and professional way that's not personal. . And I think we've done a stellar job of that so far, and I think we'll continue to do a stellar job of that.

John Bowes: But that's really the road forward from here on out is simply just making the constituency aware of the problems. Because to a large degree, it's, it's almost impossible to find this kind of information. I mean to look up some of this stuff, it, it takes, takes a knowledge of where to look, how to look and what to look for even on social media and other platforms like Twitter, which is now being, [00:24:00] you know, a little bit deregulated by Elon Musk.

John Bowes: it's still hard to find us. And I certainly struggle to, to gain attention on the issue and I have for the last year. So all that to say is really continuing to do what we are doing right now, which is, which is effective grassroots strategies for raising awareness about issues is probably the only solution that we have in our hands right now.

John Bowes: Because you know, we have to follow the law too, and, and following the law for us and following the constitution for us is adhering to the chain of command, which puts us in an interesting position. But it, it is the right position to be in. And this is really how American democracy works and this is how the American Republic, I should say, more importantly cuz that's what we are as a republic works.

John Bowes: And that's all I'll continue to adhere and let's all continue to find, yeah, and

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I just wrote a note here, political cuz I, I wanna congratulate you on this. You've been very careful and, and speak precisely in this, this manner because, . I didn't realize, at least at one point, I was talking to a colonel and there was a major in the room also, and I said, Hey, do you wanna hear about this?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the major said, Hey, I don't want to get political . We're talking about bioweapons [00:25:00] and shots and developed in China. There's nothing political about that. It's all national defense. Like directly related to national defense. We have a product that's been in part developed in China and we're injecting it into service members.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's nothing political about that, at least there shouldn't be, but for, for whatever reason, it seems to be political. Like, like you had mentioned, you know, devoid of politics. The, the, the people who support the truth and, and the laws. It's written there. There will be more of those type of people in Congress soon, but, other people may hear is, oh, there's this political party's taken over.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But that's not what we said. We don't care what political party you are, you could be purple and you know, and we're a spaghetti strainer on your head. I don't care if you're for the truth and you're for doing what's right, that's what matters.

John Bowes: Well, there's a key distinction. I, I think it's totally acceptable for officers to be political. It's unacceptable for officers to be [00:26:00] partisans, and we have never been partisans at all in this entire mandate. I'm only speaking to people who. Want to support us, why would I speak to people who don't wanna support us?

John Bowes: Sure. We'll try to convince 'em maybe. But it has nothing to do with their political orientation. It has to do with the fact that they're advocating for their constituents. And that's not partisan, that's political. In the same way that it's, it's, you know, Participating in the political process is responsibility of every citizen in the United States including military members.

John Bowes: And we certainly don't lose the right to do that. We just have to be careful with how we represent the uniform in that process. And so you know, that that's the big key distinction there. And I think it, it's unfortunate that so many members of the military are afraid. to speak up about issues that are totally pertinent to them and that they're totally allowed to talk to out of fear of being political.

John Bowes: And really they should just be fearful of being partisan. And it's unfortunate that to a large degree, you know, partisan politics have become prescient in the military. And just in a way that's how would I say this, more left [00:27:00] wing. Certainly. And, and so, you know, there, there are certainly a lot of left wing ideologies that are, that are becoming acceptable in the military and, and the partisan politics are being played in that manner.

John Bowes: That, that promotes those kind of ideologies. And that's where I think we set a dangerous precedent in the military. And we have, as military members have a responsibility to speak up about it. .

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I think you're talking a little bit about what, like Matthew Lomeyer kind of blew the whistle on and, you know, go back and listen to his, the episode I did with him, it's not a video, it's just an audio and go check out his podcast also.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But he was in the Air Force and then space force and politics and being political and partisan became a really big part of, of his life in the military when they were pushing ideas that that didn't need to be pushed.

John Bowes: Absolutely. And it's not partisan to, to, to speak up about things like Marxism, in my opinion. Because that's, that's not, that's not, that's antithetical to our system of [00:28:00] governance and so to speak up about a, a political system that is antithetical to the constitution of United's. States, it's not partisan politics.

John Bowes: That's, that's following your oath. And that's exactly what Matt did. Matt's a great friend of mine. I have a huge amount of admiration and respect for him. And certainly go check 'em out. Yeah, I think that's, that's a great point.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not even politics, it's just, Hey, are you Aiden abetting ideas that are contrary to and direct opposition and lead to more human destruction than than what we've sworn to.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that's a great point. .

John Bowes: You know, I think basically, you know, my, my last thing that I'd really like to, to put out there to, to all the viewers is, is moving forward, what's effective and what's not effective. And, and to kind of speak to, you know, I know a lot of service members certainly Watch this podcast.

John Bowes: And so I'd like to speak directly to them first and then talk to the rest of the viewers. So, so really, you know, my message to service members and I, you know, I see a lot of people who are extremely upset and down about the fact that the way the N D A A was passed was, was not perfect or ideal for the [00:29:00] in-state of our goals.

John Bowes: I'd like to say personally, , please celebrate this win. Biden has agreed. President Biden has agreed to sign. effectively and into the mandate. And whe whe whether, whether it's it's strong or not in its language it is a humongous pr win for us because what that does is it essentially validates everything we fought for, for the last year and a half.

John Bowes: That is worth celebrating. Is it worth treating it like an ultimate victory? Absolutely not. We have plenty more work to do. We have plenty more advocacy to do. We have plenty more people who have been harmed, who haven't been made. . And so I'm certainly not advocating for that, but I am advocating for when President Biden signs this thing, you know, have a drink and enjoy yourself and, and, and celebrate this because it is a big win and it is worth celebrating.

John Bowes: It's worth praising God for and it's worth being happy about. And we'll get to the rest. The rest of that is, is, is coming and we're not stopping. And to simply be upset about it is, is to some degree stopping. And so, you know, that's my message to service members especially is, is this is a win.

John Bowes: This is worth celebrating. And let, let's [00:30:00] continue to be positive and happy about this. And I'm not saying everyone is being dooooo. Let me make that absolutely clear. I know plenty of people share my philosophy but for those that don't, you know, I encourage you have hope and, and, and, and be strong in this because we've got more work to do.

John Bowes: But we. Gained a major victory and to, to those that, that are outside the military and to some degree military members themselves as well. You know, moving forward, what's effective? I think what's effective is going to be targeting the members of Congress. Who have shown us support and pledged to some degree to make sure that we see an end to this.

John Bowes: Because, you know, I've spoken to a number of members of the Senate and, and, and the Congress in the house and they've all said the same thing, which is that, you know, we want reinstatement with back pay. We want a full resolution to this issue. We want to actually make sure that we fixed national security.

John Bowes: Make it clear to your members of Congress that this is not going to do. For fixing national security. This is not gonna fix recruiting and retention. People are still disgruntled, and rightfully so, people are still thinking, you know, maybe it's time to leave the military. This is not an organization for me anymore.

John Bowes: And simply [00:31:00] rescinding the mandate and getting rid of a requirement for a vaccine as serious as an issue that might be is not going to be enough to make people feeling comfortable to join the military or make people comfortable to stay in the military. So I encourage you to make that clear. to members of Congress because unfortunately, Congress is not as interested as they should be in understanding that this is not a lawful mandate or that this is, , you know, like, like you've made the argument for a bio weapon or anything else like that.

John Bowes: They're really mostly interested in national security. And so you know, you may disagree with my philosophy on that, but my 2 cents is that make it clear to Congress that this is a national security issue that has not been solved. And they'll listen to that because that's what they've listened to me on many times before.

John Bowes: National security is a super important talking point for our Congress. And I think catering to that, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's effective. Moving forward. Really my message is that now I'm gonna continue, this is my pledge. I'm gonna continue to advocate no matter what, for those service members who are still not made whole by this mandate.

John Bowes: And I'm not gonna stop until it happens. And that's, I think what the [00:32:00] philosophy everyone should be ho I hope shares so that we can continue to get a real logical conclusion to this. And I hope everyone stays engaged in the fight. And I pray that's the case. And so for all viewers please keep fighting, keep holding the line.

John Bowes: Basically gain victories this entire time. Lawsuits, injunctions, everything else. We really haven't taken any major losses. This is just another win on the belt, and we're gonna keep gathering wins. So maintain hope, maintain your faith, maintain your oath to the Constitution and continue fighting, and I think we'll win.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, I love that philosophy. I think that's the perfect balance, right? Because this is, it's a huge win. It, it's not the big win we'd like, but do celebrate, do enjoy it. Do you know, celebrate with the family. , but the next day, or if it, you know, you do it for a week, that's fine too if you celebrate for a week.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But, but the next day when you're done celebrating, get back up, wake up, you know, put your armor of God back on. Get ready to get back in this, this stand for truth, for justice, for, for what's right, because I'm, I'm [00:33:00] sure you have friends, but I know a man who's 26 years old was a PT stud, which for the non-military people, that means he did really good at, at working out.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He was really fit. He was good at being a. Now he can't walk across the parking lot without getting winded. And it's heartbreaking. It's people like him that, that I'm in this, it's people like Dr. P Chambers, who, he's talked about this quite a bit in public, where he's been injured by this. Those people need to be restored because they were coerced to take something they never wanted to take.

John Bowes: you're absolutely right. And, you know, vaccine injuries are a whole separate issue that I didn't even mention. That we need to certainly make efforts to make those people whole as well, because they were tricked. They were tricked into taking something that's dangerous and experimental, and those people deserve serious help.

John Bowes: And, and they, they des it's impossible to make the poll again. Some of these people will never be whole again. Especially the ones that have passed away. Heart attacks, strokes, you know, I know one service member. Too hard. She's 22 years old in the best shape of her life before taking the vaccine. And at 22 [00:34:00] years old, this girl has had two heart attacks and now a mini stroke.

John Bowes: She's on all kinds of medications, beta blockers, haltz, or monitors the whole gamut of things. Her life has been ruined by the shot. How do you even fix that? How do you make someone like that whole, you know, thankfully we're getting her treatment from Dr. Molly James and, and others. And they've been very generous with her, but nonetheless, You can't fix that.

John Bowes: You can't. And, and all we can do is our best to make that better. And, and so, you know, I think that that's another area we need to target as military members. But maybe that deserves its own whole separate podcast. But nonetheless, I'm, you know, I'm not maybe the one not qualified enough to talk about that, though we've handled vaccine injuries extensively in this fight and appealing to Congress, and unfortunately, they're, they're not as interested as they should be.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One thing that I think that does help those people, maybe it certainly does not make them whole, but it brings them some justice to hold those people accountable. Like the doctors in particular. I think it's very important that these doctors who said, oh, don't worry. It's safe and effective. Okay, [00:35:00] what does that mean?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Where did you get that? That nomenclature. Okay. Oh, you can take it in pregnancy. Where did you hear that? Because, The studies specifically excluded pregnant or breastfeeding women. In fact, they even told the men, don't get a woman pregnant for 60 days after your last shot. So where did you come up with this?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Where did you make up this lie? Those, those doctors need to be held accountable. We need to have past laws so that this never happens again. Again, that won't make any of these injured and dead people, dead service members, and dead civilians and dead children. It won't help. , but it'll at least put up barriers and walls to keep this from ever happening again.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well John, thank you so much. It's been a true pleasure to talk with you. I know it's been a long time coming. I've been hoping to get you on and just everything aligned today and and I, at the beginning of this, I think you may have been a little hesitant. At least that was my impression to, to talk with me cuz who's this, who's this Jack wagon Who wants to talk with with me?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cuz I know you, you were making big connections. , [00:36:00] but cuz at the beginning I was very nervous to talk to new people also. But now, as the mask have completely come off, we've seen who, who are the real patriots, who are the, the men and women standing up for truth, honor, and justice. And you are certainly one of those.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And hopefully I've, I've shown that I'm one of those with you and I'm very happy and proud to be standing shoulder to shoulder with you.

John Bowes: Well, thank you. I really appreciate that and I certainly was not hesitant to speak with you at all. Quite contrary. I I was excited about it cuz you've been one of the people that's been around from the beginning.

John Bowes: I remember your name popping up very early and all of this as an advocate. So you know, I certainly applaud you in the same way as being a patriot and a true officer standing for their oath. And you know, you've been a, you've been a major player in, in educating all of us. , you know, the medical side of how this works and, and what we should be concerned about and where we should target our efforts.

John Bowes: And that's been an invaluable resource. So to those viewers that don't know he's certainly been working with us for a long time and he's a name that pretty much everyone in our community recognizes. So props to you as well, [00:37:00] and, and thanks for having me on. It's been awesome and I've really enjoyed our convers.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well thank you and sorry for projecting those feelings on you, cuz those were certainly feelings that I had when, like, mark, mark Basha first reached out to me. It took me a few moments and I was a little leery, but then, and Mark is a true warrior and, and speaks truth to power and he's, he's a great man and, you know, go back and listen to my episode with him because he's, I was a little nervous the way I got connected with him.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But, but yeah. I've been able to talk to the most incredible, incredible people who are warriors for truth and justice and, and speak the truth and lovers of God throughout this whole thing. And of all of the bad stuff. There's, there's so much good that has come out of this because we get to see who people are.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's kinda like the idea when, you know, when, let's say you're standing out in the sun and you've got your hand out there and you see the shadow. It's really dark in that shadow, but then right next to that line where the shadow ends, it's the. And we've been able to see how God works through people here on Earth.[00:38:00]

John Bowes: Amen to that. That's an awesome way to put it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much again. Keep up, keep standing for truth and justice. Keep doing what you're doing. You know, keep listening to Spirit. And, you know, anytime you wanna come back to this platform is yours

John Bowes: to speak. Well, thank you very much, Sam, and to the viewers, thank you as well for your time in listening to this.

John Bowes: It's an important issue and I look forward to, to continuing to work for everyone here to make this, make this, make this right and

make

John Bowes: everyone whole again. God bless. God bless.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thanks, John.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the. The full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

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