Joe Rogan and Mike Benz are starting to flirt with the big secret!

JOE ROGAN: This is the darkest of conspiracy theories. The darkest of conspiracy theories was that the leak was intentional. The darkest of conspiracy theories is that this was planned, they knew this is going to be a financial windfall, it is the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the United States by far from the working class to the elite. It's like three plus what trillion dollars or something crazy like that?

MIKE BENZ: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: We've already established that it was created in a lab. We already established that USAID funded it. We already established that Fauci at all lied about gain-of-function research what they were doing. The worst theory possible is that this was released on purpose.

MIKE BENZ: Yeah, that would be the worst-case scenario. Yeah!

JOE ROGAN: Have you ever? danced that one around your head Because that's that's where you we know they're willing to do horrible, evil shit, but like, is there a ceiling on that?

MIKE BENZ: Even now to this day, having spent so much of my life in it, I try to just pursue the leads that I have and then try to let the conclusions come to me. Certainly, the fact that they funded the capacity to do this, they worked directly with all the networks that were both doing it and censoring it, puts you pretty much as, you know, they created it and they covered up at least the leak.

In terms of the intentionality for doing it, that is a really dark scenario. You know, there are a lot of things in American history that that have that same you know “me-ha, le-ha” distinction. You know do they do they make it happen or do they let it happen? Do they let it happen or do they make it happen? And both of them are major scandals that completely change the the the legitimacy and credibility of policy changes in response to the crisis, for example.

Like take something like Pearl Harbor, right? It's been declassified now, the McCullum memo, the eight action plan. Are you familiar with this?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

MIKE BENZ: And this was written before the bombing, and it was eight ways to get Japan to attack us because we don't have diplomatic cover to declare war on them, but if we get them to attack us and we can then spiral that into a war predicate. I mean the same thing for example with the Northwoods memo with pretext to war with Cuba and cooking up all these, hijacking our own planes, sinking our own ships, doing riots on the streets of Miami and then saying that it was the Cuban government behind it.

Same thing with Vietnam, Gulf of Tonkin, you know, same thing with, you know, with the weapons of mass destruction predicate for invading Iraq. Did we know that that would, you know, did we, were we duped and the crime was negligence for letting our national security state believe the New York Times reporting on chemical and biological and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Or did we make that happen?

Was that something that we knew was not true based on our own intelligence, but because there was a useful thing there… and you know a lot of people have the same thoughts about issues around around 9-11 in any number of crisis events… and I suppose I have my own thoughts on it. They're not fully settled, and because they are beyond the evidence I currently have, I stay in the zone of this is what they did to create it, this is what they did to cover it up. Here are the stars in the sky, draw your own constellation from there.

JOE ROGAN: That's a good way to put it. Okay.

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