Episode 21: Ben Wagner

I recently sat down with Ben Wagner, an amazing fellow student who I met through Mark Passio's 2024 How to Become the True Media course (enrolling for 2025 until New Year's Day 2025: howtobecomethetruemedia.com). In this conversation, we discuss the parallels between making art and doing the Great Work, addiction recovery, shadow work, lessons from a profession in change management, conscious parenting, why we need to teach Natural Law, and more.