UNBELIEVABLE DIDDY COULD BE OUT BY THANKSGIVING - 9 Major P. Diddy Updates from Explosive Bail Hearing

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Defense lawyers for Sean “Diddy” Combs argued for the third time Friday that their client should be granted bail, this time in front of Judge Arun Subramanian. The government says he should stay locked up, accusing him of trying to intimidate witnesses and influence potential jurors. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber has the most important updates from inside the courtroom.

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Transcript
0:00
could this be the last week Shawn Colmes
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remains Behind Bars after quite the Bell
0:05
hearing last week we're going to break
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down what happened and what could be
0:08
next for the embattled rapper who's
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currently sitting in detention as he
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awaits trial on federal sex crimes
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charges welcome to sidebar presented by
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law on crime I'm Jesse
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Weber this could proved to be a very
0:24
interesting week in the Shawn Diddy
0:26
comes legal Saga why is it possible
0:30
Shawn Colmes could be released from jail
0:33
right in time for Thanksgiving it's a
0:36
possibility you know I would have said
0:37
that seemed highly highly highly
0:40
unlikely but after what we saw on Friday
0:43
during the most recent bail Hearing in
0:44
front of Judge Arun sub Manan the
0:46
current judge of com's criminal case a
0:48
judge by the way who hasn't heard this
0:50
bail issue
0:52
before it seems a lot more probable I'm
0:55
going to explain so comes has been
0:57
sitting in the Metropolitan Detention
0:59
Center the MDC out in Brooklyn since his
1:01
arrest in September and of course as you
1:03
know he's facing racketeering sex
1:05
trafficking transportation to engage in
1:07
prostitution charges namely that from
1:10
2008 to 2024 he used Force threats
1:13
coercion to cause women to engage in
1:16
sexual activity including sex acts with
1:18
male sex workers that's what's known as
1:20
the freak offs that he operated a
1:22
criminal Enterprise that was engaged in
1:24
all sorts of illicit activity and acts
1:27
of violence like kidnapping and arson
1:29
okay we knew that and now two previous
1:31
judges a district court judge and a
1:33
Magistrate Judge both previously denied
1:36
Shawn colm's bail siding with the
1:38
prosecution's arguments that Colmes was
1:41
a danger to society given these
1:42
allegations that he was a risk of flight
1:45
given his wealth power and resources
1:47
that he engaged in potential obstruction
1:50
by improperly contacting Witnesses and
1:52
victims in the case and this by the way
1:55
is despite the defense putting forth a
1:57
very expansive bail package $50 million
2:02
Bond home confinement no phone or
2:05
internet use 247 private security to
2:08
monitor him limits on who can visit him
2:10
and so forth so a very expansive bail
2:13
package one that I really haven't seen
2:16
but leading into this hearing on Friday
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again in front of Judge Arun suban who
2:21
hasn't decided this issue yet because he
2:23
was the most recent judge assigned to
2:25
the case prosecutors were also armed
2:28
with more
2:30
more arguments more evidence why because
2:32
as we previously discussed on sidebar
2:35
they alleged in a letter to the court
2:38
that while behind bars at the MDC Shan
2:41
comes has been violating the Bureau of
2:44
Prisons rules now by the way that in and
2:47
of itself could be used to show hey if
2:49
he can't follow the rules while he's
2:51
locked up inside what makes you think he
2:52
could be trusted on the outside but
2:54
putting that to the side not only that
2:57
prosecutors say he has been engaging in
2:59
unauthorized Communications such as
3:02
three-way phone calls on a monitored
3:04
phone using other inmates phone access
3:06
codes to make phone calls and using a
3:09
third-party text messaging provider and
3:13
they alleged he was doing all of this to
3:16
instruct third parties to reach out to
3:18
Witnesses and even try to influence a
3:20
potential jury pool and by the way
3:22
influencing a potential jury pool that's
3:25
with respect to the allegation that he
3:27
orchestrated a social media campaign
3:29
around his birthday you might remember
3:31
this his family released a video of them
3:33
wishing him a happy birthday good wishes
3:35
while he's on the phone he's on the
3:36
other line he's locked up but you hear
3:38
them on the other line they're all happy
3:39
everybody's happy and prosecutors say
3:42
the aim for that was to influence
3:44
potential jurors they have evidence to
3:46
say that was his intent that he might
3:48
have said something we'll get to that
3:50
now there are many many other items for
3:52
both the prosecution and defense
3:54
regarding this bail issue but the best
3:56
way to go through all of this is to
3:58
actually go through what was said during
4:00
that hearing now something I have to
4:02
mention about going over this hearing
4:03
there are no cameras in the courtroom so
4:05
we couldn't see this for ourselves in
4:06
fact there's limited electronic devices
4:08
that are allowed as well so we're basing
4:09
this off of reporting from those in the
4:12
courtroom about what happened now the
4:14
first issue that came up at this hearing
4:17
on Friday wasn't even about bail but
4:19
it's about what happened a few days
4:20
earlier you see the defense had accused
4:22
the prosecution of improperly taking
4:25
photographs of potentially attorney
4:27
client and work product privilege
4:29
material
4:30
in sha col's detention unit this was
4:32
after there was a sweep for Contraband
4:34
at the MDC I should say the defense
4:36
claims this was actually a targeted
4:38
operation at sha combes the prosecutors
4:41
have denied this they've said that they
4:42
didn't even take part in the search but
4:44
there was this sweep and an investigator
4:47
from the Bureau of Prisons apparently
4:49
took photos of these notepads and these
4:51
notepad pages from Sean's unit in the
4:55
end judge sub ranian after there was a
4:57
hearing held said the prosecution has to
4:59
destroy 19 copies of pages of those
5:02
photos that they couldn't use evidence
5:05
obtained from those photos in their bail
5:07
argument and one of the things that they
5:09
wanted to say was that Colmes was
5:11
improperly reaching out to one witness
5:13
in particular that would be shown by one
5:15
of these photograph pages and judge
5:17
subber Manan said that he would have to
5:19
resolve at a later date if there was in
5:21
fact a privilege violation and if there
5:25
was a violation I'm not even sure what
5:27
that remedy would be Sean defense
5:30
Council has asked for the indictment to
5:31
be tossed out has asked for the
5:32
prosecutions team from the southern
5:34
district of New York to be recused we
5:36
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5:39
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Friday judge sub ranian he had an issue
6:26
with the defense this is how it started
6:28
off you see the defense had argued that
6:30
Shan colm's legal pads clearly had the
6:33
word legal handwritten on the top of the
6:36
binders you know to indicate that this
6:38
is privileged don't search through this
6:40
these are materials that prosecutors
6:41
cannot have access to well judge subber
6:44
Manan said H the legal pad that defense
6:48
Council gave to this court an intact
6:50
legal pad with legal written on The
6:52
Binding but when you look at the photos
6:55
of two of the intact legal pads that
6:57
were taken at the time of the sweep at
6:59
the MDC see there's no writing on the
7:01
pad there's no legal so why is that he
7:05
wants to know why meaning was legal only
7:08
written on that pad after the fact that
7:12
wouldn't look so good for Shawn Colmes
7:14
or his lawyers and during the hearing
7:16
one of colm's lawyers Mark aifo said he
7:19
wasn't sure when legal was written on
7:21
the pads and he did concede that during
7:24
the sweep not all the pads said legal
7:27
judge subber manian reportedly asked if
7:28
the pad you hand it up to me did it say
7:31
legal on it on November 1st meaning when
7:33
the sweep happened to which agnf
7:35
reportedly replied I'm not sure and that
7:38
led the judge to warn the defense that
7:40
moving forward make sure all of your
7:43
representations to the court are true
7:46
not a great way to start but that's how
7:47
it started and from there we get into
7:49
the Bale analysis and the main concern
7:52
from prosecutors when talking about
7:54
baale is they don't trust sha Colmes to
7:58
follow the conditions of pre-t release
8:00
and they highlight as I mentioned before
8:02
the allegations of what he was doing in
8:04
the MDC now judge subber impressed
8:07
assistant United States Attorney Christy
8:09
Slavic well what do you say that you
8:12
might not trust him but trust his 247
8:15
private security that would monitor him
8:17
on home confinement her response this
8:20
security team she claims one of them is
8:22
a co-conspirator of sha comes that this
8:25
person's phone was taken away the other
8:27
is a defense investigator in the case
8:29
and she alleged that that investigator
8:31
has been contacting Witnesses in other
8:34
words this 24/7 private security team
8:37
works for sha Colmes now annif responded
8:41
that later in the hearing suggesting
8:43
that they are proposing an independent
8:45
security team and he also highlighted
8:48
that Shawn Colmes would be living in
8:50
significantly more restrictive
8:52
conditions on home confinement than in
8:55
the MDC judge subber Manan asked
8:57
prosecutor Slavic you cite his wealth as
9:00
an issue for pre-trial release so can't
9:03
he use it that's a key point that was
9:06
made by both sides you see the
9:07
prosecutor said it's because he has the
9:09
wealth the power the resources to do
9:11
what he wants on the outside and flout
9:13
the rules that he shouldn't be granted
9:15
bail whereas the defense has said okay
9:18
we have to create such an expensive and
9:20
expansive bail package to mitigate those
9:23
perceived dangers because of his wealth
9:26
Slavic reportedly responded that they
9:28
are seeking continued detention not
9:30
because of his wealth but because of his
9:32
dangerousness his risk of flight his
9:34
obstruction so sub Romanian asked her to
9:37
explain the obstruction argument further
9:40
and while she highlighted what I had
9:41
mentioned before he did ask her whether
9:44
running a PR campaign from behind bars
9:47
is obstruction like the birthday message
9:50
campaign now according to prosecutor
9:52
Slavic Holmes allegedly said he wanted
9:55
to reach the jurors and said something
9:57
along the lines of presum on a recorded
10:00
phone call while in the MDC something
10:02
along the lines of I need only one so
10:06
that kind of looks like he is trying to
10:08
impact the jury and she claims that this
10:11
is impacting the Integrity of the
10:13
proceedings and this is his intent to
10:16
obstruct now from there judge subber
10:18
Manan gets into a really key point this
10:20
is something that he actually had
10:22
advised the prosecutors to be prepared
10:24
to discuss the fact that former abomi
10:28
and fit CEO Mike Jeff was just arrested
10:31
on federal sex trafficking charges in
10:33
New York Al be at the eastern district
10:35
not the southern district where comes is
10:37
but on the face of it very similar
10:39
allegations to Shawn Colmes and guess
10:42
what Mike Jeff was released on a $10
10:46
million bail so judge subber is
10:48
essentially asking why shouldn't coms be
10:51
released then to which prosecutor Slavic
10:53
references the letter that the
10:55
prosecution had filed with the court in
10:57
anticipation of this hearing and in that
10:59
letter they say well okay yes Jeff is
11:02
accused of paying dozens of men for
11:04
travel to engage in commercial sex acts
11:06
that he used a security company to
11:08
surveil and intimidate Witnesses but
11:11
these are superficial similarities with
11:14
sha comes first unlike sha Colmes Mike
11:17
Jeff is not accused of committing
11:19
violent acts that were separate and
11:21
apart from the sex trafficking
11:22
allegations and also he didn't use
11:25
Firearms also they say Jeff is not
11:28
accused of ering like sha comes is
11:31
Colmes they say is continually engaging
11:33
in obstruction jeffy's allegations of
11:36
obstruction ended in 2015 and also Mike
11:39
Jeff is 80 years old Shawn Colmes is 55
11:42
two different dangers now interestingly
11:45
Shan col's other lawyer Alexandra
11:47
Shapiro she jumped in at one point
11:49
during the hearing and she actually
11:50
argued to judge sub Romanian that the
11:53
Jeff's case is actually worse than sha
11:56
com's case why because there prosecutor
11:59
are alleging an international sex
12:01
trafficking business and that the
12:04
victims were raped and sodomized and she
12:07
also said comes guess what he's not that
12:11
young either now moving on from that
12:14
point I thought that was an interesting
12:15
back and forth there was another point
12:16
in the hearing I want to highlight and
12:18
this centered around once again the
12:20
infamous 2016 videotape that was
12:23
published by CNN earlier this year of
12:25
comes purportedly beating his
12:27
ex-girlfriend Cassandra Ventura and a
12:29
hotel hallway while he was just wearing
12:31
a towel and prosecutors have suggested
12:33
that Shawn comes attacked her as she was
12:36
escaping a freak off a clear example of
12:39
sex trafficking and again to prove that
12:41
he is a danger dangerousness key factor
12:44
in a BAL analysis now judge seber Manan
12:46
did something actually interesting he
12:48
pressed the prosecution about something
12:50
the defense had brought up that that
12:52
video may not be exactly what it is
12:56
because CNN may have spliced it or
13:00
edited it together Slavic responded it
13:03
was a bit puzzling that the defendant
13:05
brought this up because there's really
13:06
no dispute as to what actually happened
13:08
during that incident in fact the
13:09
defendant admitted to it and apologized
13:12
for it in a public Instagram post that's
13:14
true comes apologized two days after
13:16
that video was released and she went on
13:18
to say whether the video was slowed or
13:20
spliced or edited by CNN there's really
13:22
no dispute about what the video shows it
13:24
shows the defendant shoving kicking and
13:26
dragging a female victim that is true
13:29
actually when sub Romanian was
13:31
questioning Mark agnifilo he asked him
13:33
about these text message conversations
13:36
between coms and victim one in the case
13:39
who we believe to be Cassandra Ventura
13:41
and whereas the prosecution has
13:43
highlighted the messages to show that
13:44
she was a victim of physical abuse and
13:47
non-consensual sex acts agnifilo
13:50
suggested that they had more information
13:52
that provides more context to the
13:54
relationship and to that 2016 video he
13:58
said it really is purely consistent with
14:00
our view of this being a consensual
14:02
long-term loving fraught relationship
14:05
that had a breakup and the breakup
14:06
wasn't because of coerced sex or for sex
14:09
he even suggested that there was
14:11
regrettable physical conduct going both
14:13
ways in this
14:15
relationship now when it came to the
14:17
allegations of whether Shawn Colmes was
14:19
improperly contacting or trying to
14:21
contact people Miss Shapiro
14:24
distinguished other cases like where a
14:26
defendant told someone to lie by phone
14:28
she said that's not Happening Here plus
14:30
when it comes to posting on social media
14:32
she says Jun Holmes her client has a
14:34
First Amendment right to speak up when
14:36
there is a barrage of negative media
14:38
coverage out there and defend himself
14:41
and judge sber manian said well why
14:43
can't he just do that through his
14:44
lawyers in other words why does he have
14:46
to go through these other third parties
14:48
to do that now Shapiro reportedly
14:50
responded well we're happy to do that
14:51
but we're lawyers it's not really what
14:52
we do subber Manan also pressed her on
14:55
the communications regarding victims or
14:57
Witnesses and she denied that this was
15:00
evidence of obstruction and she assured
15:02
the judge that Shawn Colmes will listen
15:05
to his lawyers if they tell him not to
15:07
do something he won't do it the problem
15:10
as reemphasized by prosecutor Slavic is
15:12
she says he has reached out to a witness
15:15
an alleged participant in multiple freak
15:18
offs and he allegedly ignored his
15:20
lawyers when they told him not to do the
15:23
social media campaign around his
15:25
birthday but he wanted to do it anyway
15:28
and also even if it is common as the
15:30
defense suggests for inmates to share
15:32
their codes to make phone calls the
15:34
Bureau of Prison handbook prohibits this
15:36
the main idea he doesn't follow the
15:38
rules on the inside he can't be expected
15:41
to follow the rules on the outside now
15:44
this moves into arguably the most
15:46
interesting and pivotal moment in this
15:49
hearing this is when the judge inquired
15:52
as to where home confinement would
15:54
exactly be now Mark agnifilo indicated
15:57
that it would be in Miami that there
15:59
would be a dock but no boat and the
16:01
judge heard that and said that's not
16:04
going to work where in New York could he
16:06
stay so agnifilo responded that there is
16:10
an apartment in the Upper East Side
16:12
three bedrooms there would be two
16:14
security guards in the apartment one
16:16
downstairs no access to phone or
16:18
internet except calls with his lawyers
16:20
and comes would avoid all contact with
16:22
anyone who would be a witness in this
16:24
case and I have to tell you this could
16:27
be a sign that judge subber Manan is
16:29
entertaining the idea of pre-trial
16:31
release and home confinement I will say
16:34
though judge sub ranian also heard from
16:36
pre-trial services this is the office
16:39
that ensures Federal Criminal defendants
16:40
appear in court and monitor their
16:42
activities so they don't pose a danger
16:44
on the outside and the representative
16:46
from pre-trial Services sided with the
16:49
prosecution and reportedly said that we
16:51
maintain the bail conditions are
16:54
insufficient however this representative
16:56
seemed to acknowledge that there aren't
16:58
any cases they're aware of where private
17:01
guards would be enlisted this is unique
17:04
so what did the judge decide well he
17:07
said he will make a decision promptly
17:09
next week on bail meaning this week and
17:12
he did suggest that both the prosecution
17:14
and the defense submit letters to the
17:16
court by Monday today at noon and one of
17:20
the questions is what can Shan col say
17:22
or not say right now and those letters
17:25
just came in so the defense pointed to
17:28
the case of United States versus Donald
17:30
Trump when it comes to what Colmes can
17:32
say about his own case because Mr Colmes
17:35
is quote a criminal defendant and is
17:36
presumed to be innocent he has a quote
17:39
greater constitutional claim than other
17:41
trial participants including Council to
17:43
criticize and speak out against the
17:44
prosecution and the criminal trial
17:46
process that seek to take away his
17:48
Liberty accordingly the court should
17:50
apply Trump's heightened standard when
17:52
considering Mr com's speech here the
17:54
defense also argued again that what
17:56
comes had to say was protected under
17:58
under the First Amendment Free Speech
18:00
Alexander Shapiro cited multiple court
18:02
cases in her letter the cited examples
18:04
do not even remotely implicate the types
18:06
of possible prejudicial speech that
18:09
courts have previously considered this
18:11
is not speech about witness testimony or
18:13
cooperation that imperils the
18:14
availability content and integrity of
18:16
witness testimony nor does the speech
18:18
Target known or reasonably foreseeable
18:20
Witnesses concerning their potential
18:22
participation in the criminal proceeding
18:24
Mr Colmes did not make public statements
18:27
in an attempt to discredit test for the
18:29
prosecution or make evidence available
18:31
to the news media the speech does not
18:33
concern any attempt to publish court
18:35
order Discovery and this is not a case
18:37
where the party's expression was itself
18:40
obstructive the government is
18:42
essentially arguing for a standard in
18:43
which the entire press community and
18:45
civil plaintiffs and the government
18:47
itself can wage war against Mr com's
18:50
reputation but Mr Colmes can even try to
18:53
influence public opinion himself in
18:55
response that is simply not the law and
18:58
clearly she's ref referencing the
18:59
multitude of lawsuits that he's facing
19:01
now the defense says that none of the
19:02
examples the prosecution gave hold water
19:05
and they should not be used as reasons
19:07
to keep Shawn comes behind bars so what
19:10
did the prosecution have to say about
19:11
the baale hearing on Friday well they
19:12
got straight to the point on page one of
19:14
their letter the defendant's history of
19:16
obstructive conduct is part and partial
19:18
to his decades long pattern of violence
19:21
which must be considered along with his
19:22
obstructive conduct to fully assess his
19:25
dangerousness under the baale Reform Act
19:27
a holistic view of his destructive and
19:29
violent conduct conduct that is still
19:31
happening presently makes clear that
19:33
there is no way to rebut the applicable
19:35
presumption of detention in this case
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the bail package presented by the
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defendant does not come close to
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ensuring the safety of the community
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including from the defendant's ongoing
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efforts to obstruct this case nor does
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it adequately protect from risk of
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flight for all these reasons the
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defendant's renewed application for bail
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must be denied so fact that judge sunber
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Manan did not immediately deny com's bid
19:57
for bail like the other two judges did
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and has entertained what home
20:01
confinement would look like it is
20:03
possible he could make bail it is
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possible Shan Colmes can make bail now
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to be clear should he violate any
20:11
conditions if he's actually released he
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will go straight back to the MDC and
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probably absent some extraordinary
20:19
circumstance he will never get another
20:21
chance at bail again so if he does get
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released he most certainly better be on
20:25
his best behavior now doesn't mean that
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the government won't file obstruction
20:30
charges against Shan comes and let's say
20:32
a superseding indictment based on what
20:34
he allegedly did in the MDC they could
20:35
still do that remember the government
20:37
acknowledged they are submitting
20:38
evidence to a grand jury in New York
20:40
right now they could also use evidence
20:42
of what they say is obstruction not even
20:45
in additional charges but just as
20:47
additional evidence in the racketeering
20:49
charge that he currently faces and if he
20:51
is released and violates his bail
20:53
conditions they could also file
20:55
additional charges to them now what
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happens if sub Romanian denies Shan
21:00
col's bail well it seems that shanes has
21:02
one final attempt to take this issue up
21:04
to the second Circuit Court of Appeals a
21:06
higher appell at court in fact his legal
21:09
team had submitted a legal brief in
21:10
support of bail previously with this
21:12
court but then they asked the court to
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pause a decision on that while they
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petition judge subber Manan first okay
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so with that let's see what judge subber
21:21
Manan decides and if he decides soon
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enough is it possible Shawn comes could
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be released and reunited with his family
21:30
right in time for Thanksgiving let's see
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