How Western Elites Were Duped by the CCP for Decades: Chris Chappell and Shelley Zhang

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This is the 30 minute TV version of Jan Jekielek’s interview with Chris Chappell and Shelley Zhang The longer-form version was released on Epoch TV on November 2, 2024.

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“The CCP is very smart at understanding the divides in American society, and it knows how to target both sides.”

In this episode, Jan Jekielek sits down with Chris Chappell and Shelley Zhang, creators of the popular YouTube show “China Uncensored.”

They’ve been covering Chinese Communist Party propaganda efforts and narrative warfare for more than a decade.

CHAPTER TITLES
0:00:01 - The CCP's ‘Narrative Warfare’
0:00:17 - China Uncensored: Exposing CCP Propaganda
0:01:20 - The Goal of China Uncensored
0:03:06 - TikTok: A Weapon of the CCP
0:06:41 - Controlling Both Sides of the Narrative
0:08:54 - The Myth of China's Reform
0:11:39 - The CCP's Narrative of Military Threat
0:14:18 - Public Diplomacy and Messaging to the Chinese People
0:16:31 - Refuting CCP Narratives about the U.S.
0:18:42 - The CCP's Use of Rape as Torture
0:21:21 - The Fragility of Democracy and the Fight Against Darkness

“The Tiananmen Square massacre happened that month and George Bush SR sent a secret delegation to Beijing to assure the Chinese Communist Party that it wouldn't hurt US-China relations. The same month that the CCP massacred 10,000 students in Beijing. For years, we had experts, top politicians telling us that if we do business with China, it will reform them. They'll become a democracy. It'll help the US government, even as towns across America were being gutted because we shipped all of our manufacturing to China, we had experts saying, This is good. This is still good.”

“There is a lot the US can do to challenge the Chinese Communist Party. One great example would be to just expose the corruption of top CCP officials… That's just one example of a tactic the US could use. The US can do so many things to fight China and the idea that, like we can't because we don't want to risk nuclear war or any other kind of war, they want us scared. But there is a lot the US can do, especially with China facing pretty unprecedented economic troubles right now.”

“The US and the Chinese Communist Party are not equivalent evils. That's something a lot of people believe. A lot of people believe the US is actually worse. But the US does not use rape as a form of torture. We are not harvesting the organs of prisoners of conscience… to just say the truth, saying the truth is the greatest weapon we have.”

“The light of freedom and democracy is very fragile, and it must be protected and fought for. Otherwise darkness is always there, ready to swallow us up, and we can't give in to despair or attack our own values, allow the darkness to corrupt us and think that, oh, you know, maybe, maybe our society is actually the evil of the world. We need to embrace what is good, because otherwise it won't last.”

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