The 2005 Kay Griggs Interview, Part 2/3 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped)

Kay Griggs was married to Colonel George Griggs, who ran special operations for NATO and his tenure included the Beirut bombings.

Her husband had many vices, and while he was drunk he would disclose secrets to her. She reveals a shadowy network of a global mafia with occult traditions going back to Ancient Greece (or perhaps earlier).

This global cabal, which her husband referred to as "the joint," works directly with the highest level military intelligence agencies across the world, even of governments that publicly are "enemies." Degenerate sex parties, drugs, trauma based mind control, massive underground bunkers, etc. are all involved.

We learn again that war is indeed a racket. Wars are mostly created for show, to steal resources, sell/test weapon systems, to train assassins, launder money, manipulate markets, act as distractions, create black markets -- that sort of stuff.

The Kay Griggs interviews, which this is the 3rd set (I believe), is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about these interviews although they know of it.

In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info.

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Summary
(00:29-01:23) Interview introduction with Kay Griggs, who shares insights from her life intertwined with the U.S. Marine Corps and high-level political figures, detailing her experiences witnessing "evil" operations.

(01:23-02:09) Kay discusses her marriage to her husband, a Marine officer involved with SEALs and international operations during the Iran-Contra hearings, unaware of his dark past.

(05:11-06:17) She reveals disturbing details about the mysterious death of her husband's first wife, suggesting potential foul play connected to his involvement with high-stakes operations.

(09:34-13:05) Kay emphasizes the psychological operations involved in her husband's work, highlighting the cruel experimentation conducted on innocent people by military groups.

(19:32-23:07) Discussion of her husband's sordid history of sexual abuse that began in high school and extended into his adult life, mentioning a pervasive culture of exploitation among elite circles.

(39:44-52:07) Kay addresses the systemic use of murder as a political tool, detailing various notable murders possibly connected to political conspiracies, including implications of Israeli involvement in U.S. military operations.

(59:27-1:01:42) Concluding thoughts on whether her ex-husband mentioned the UFO phenomenon, focusing instead on secret underground military operations that she encountered.

Transcript:
(00:29) Transcription of interview with Kay Griggs on August 3, 2005. Kay Griggs has lived a life that few have lived about, and few have lived to talk about, if we want to tell it like it really is. She's been on the inside at the top levels of the U.S. Marine Corps, former presidents, potentates and kings, and all kinds of people have been into her life through the words and descriptions of her ex-husband, assassinations, murders, drugs, you name it, homosexuality, pedophilia,
(00:57) the whole story, evil, evil is what Kay Griggs saw and heard about for another better part of 10 years, I guess, or longer. She is now with us tonight, and I think you're there. Are you there, Kay? Can you hear me? Yeah, I'm here. I sure am. Hi, welcome back. Thank you. Can you just, for our listeners who missed the first program, you were married for how long to whom? Just go over the basics for us, and then we'll get right into it.
(01:23) Well, I was working at the Chamber of Commerce and met my husband-to-be, who was a widower, and he rented a house for me, and it was just after the Rancontra, or really during the Rancontra hearings, and he, unbeknownst to me, had been involved in all of that, and he was being sort of moved from one job to another, kind of camping him down a little bit, and he was training SEALs and joint assassins at the Little Creek Naval Base School,
(02:09) which trained people from other countries and all kinds of, in other words, SEALs and Marines, and they did operations together. Right. And his first wife had died during the Rancontra hearings, and anyway, I met him then and didn't really like him at first, but after a number of months, I was in charge of some Norwegians, a couple of ambassadors were coming to Virginia Beach, and I was involved with organizing a program for a sister city program,
(02:54) and he helped drive one of the ambassadors around, and that's when I first talked to him, because he just didn't talk. But he was just, you know, he was an officer and that kind of thing, and I think he was anxious to marry. You say anxious to marry. What do you think the reason for that was? Well, I think I was sort of a high-profile person here in Norfolk. I think he needed cover. Uh-huh. I got that. Something was in your word there that made me ask, so yeah.
(03:36) Yeah, well, if you were, and he did need that, he sounded like he got the perfect cover. Yeah, he did, and I was totally unaware that a world like his existed. As most people are, and it's something that is available to probably a tiny fraction of a fraction of 1% on the planet. They just don't know. Yeah. You saw, you heard about it, and through your courageous willingness to talk about it, it's been written about, the story is coming out.
(04:07) Now, of course, since they control the mainstream media, your story isn't going to go very far. They know that, but you do have on this program and on my website and others a tremendous number of those who are aware and who are interested in reality, and so that's to your everlasting credit that you've had the courage to come forward with this. Now, he reached the rank of what in the Marines? Well, it's really funny because I tried to get him to,
(04:37) well, he was telling me about what he did for a living, but he told me that he really wasn't a colonel. In other words, he said he wore different hats and that none of them really meant anything. I had a hard time understanding what he did. I was so totally naive, but he never really talked until he started drinking in the evenings, and he just talked and talked and talked about, you know, he was sort of, he was communicating with me,
(05:11) he was bragging kind of, but I knew that he was real because all the other colonels were just in awe of him or in fear of him. One of them who worked with him when I was at the chamber warned me, and I thought he was just jealous because he had asked me out, this one particular lieutenant colonel, and he just said, you'll really be sorry. And I had no idea, and he really was trying to warn me. Well, that's quite a warning.
(05:43) And as it turns out, he was absolutely correct. Yeah, he knew what George had done to his first wife, and he knew how he'd been involved with, at the highest level, with the Rancontra and North. And when K. Griggs says he knew what George did to his first wife, there is ample reason to suspect that foul play was involved. Oh, well, my family are physicians here in Norfolk, and my grandfather, my uncle, my brother,
(06:17) and I studied a lot of biology and wanted to be a vet myself. And I was told by the colonel's wife and by George, the story was that Suzanne Workman had a heart attack and she died. She was young, I mean, relatively young, in her 40s. And when I found out how she died, she had a cerebral hemorrhage, and I found that report in a black case that he had hidden up in the attic. And this was after we were married.
(07:01) And when I asked him about it, I tried to be really light and sort of, come on, George, tell me how did it happen. It was just totally bizarre. He didn't call the rescue squad. She supposedly was knocked out at supper time around 5. Knocked out meaning knocked out how? Just sort of collapsed, according to him. Okay, passed out. So this sounds like the Terri Schiavo case. Exactly. And she was very large, and there was not love between them, from what I know.
(07:47) He dragged her back to the bedroom. Now, this is a woman who's totally passed out. She had a bleeding incident, according to him, when they went down to Florida. That was one of the meetings with the North, Gurbani Far, and the whole crowd. Ali North and all the rest. Yeah, he had to go to Miami, and she was getting very upset because I spoke with his, well, I won't say who because I don't want to get the person,
(08:19) but I spoke with a very high-level person who knew a lot about Sue, actually two people, three people, and she was really upset because he had been involved with all of this, you know, the Grand Contra, and she knew a lot about what he was doing. He used to obviously drink then and talk. Oh, yeah, he drank, according to him, because I tried to get him to stop drinking when I found out how long he'd been doing this pattern, but for 30 years.
(08:56) And how could someone like that be in charge of international programs that are really delicate and involve national security and people's lives when they can't even paint? He couldn't tell one color from the other. He couldn't even sail a sailboat. I mean, it was just so much he just didn't know how to do. And yet there he was in charge of international operations and being kind of just sort of making things up.
(09:34) I don't know how to explain it. Well, it seems, Kay, to me that a man who has an alcoholism problem, who flaps his gums when he's drunk, would be noted by his superiors, wouldn't you? Absolutely not. But he got away with it because he was in such a powerful position. Yeah, because he had been not only... I went to the Huns school with the three oldest Saudi royals, which is why I believe in how James Baker got involved with my husband, because James Baker was at Princeton earlier
(10:14) and had been in the same eating club, well, Rumsfeld was in the same secret society and so forth. And I'm not saying they're bad, you know, it's just that they were very close. Did you ever spend time with James Baker, for example? No, I never did, but my grandmother was from Texas, and her grandfather was the attorney for Stephen F. Austin, so I think they probably knew that. Okay, very good. Stand by, Kay, if you would.
(10:46) Check me out. Hold on, if you would. We take a break, come right back in just a couple of minutes and continue conversation tonight, part two, with Kay Griggs. Okay, we're back with Kay Griggs. So when the drinking began after the marriage and so forth, and this material began to come out, and you're a kid who really didn't understand this.
(11:55) This was a part of the world that, as it is for most humans, completely hidden away. What are you thinking at first? Are you thinking the guy's delusional, or did it all ring true from the beginning? How did it strike you? Well, I knew he was who he said he was, because I very early on met the Marine Corps, the colonels who were at Fleet Marine Force Atlantic, which is sort of half the world, it's a large
(12:24) operational contingent, which was with NATO, SACLAN, and the Atlantic Command, and they literally did operations. And when you say, when Kay Griggs says operations, she's talking about wet and dry operations, assassinations. Yes, and psychological operations, which my husband, very important that people do not realize that they literally are tormenting and doing all kinds of horrible things to innocent people, sometimes just as experiments.
(13:05) Give me an example. Now, this locks in to the claims by many people, regular citizens, who say that they've either had a brain implant, or they're hearing voices, or they're obviously involved in some kind of an experiment, they're being monitored, toyed with, tormented, you name it. Any truth to that in your experience? Well, of course there's truth in that, and the kinds of toys that they have to use on
(13:32) unsuspecting people. Give me an example. Well, for instance, the Germans who came in, my grandfather was a retired Reserve Navy captain, a doctor, who was in charge of intelligence during World War II. He was sort of put into it because he spoke German, being a physician and an obstetrician, and he was in the port of Norfolk, and my grandmother lived with me the last 12 years, and told me all kinds of stories about how he helped with Camp Perry and Fort Hunt, and
(14:14) when they brought the Germans over, the CCC, and I'm not saying Germans are bad, but there were many, many Germans who came over even before the end of World War I, they came over earlier. But this paperclip wasn't the only operation bringing the Germans over. Oh, they were just pouring over. There were something like 20 bases or more in Texas alone, in Virginia, and they were just pouring into the port, and they set up these CCC camps to have these Germans have
(14:53) a place to live, and of course they worked hard, and then they would give them jobs, and so they weren't just the scientists that we know about, they were people in all walks of life, and I've met many of them, and many of their children, and so, yeah, but the psychological operations group came in, I know, through some of the Germans. It was institutionalized a little bit before, during, and after World War II when just the
(15:31) entire German command were essentially given money and so forth, the SS, by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Army, and they were, in fact, Galen himself was in Virginia for a whole year with his six guys, and I mean, lots of people went up to Fort Hunt to see him. So the psychological operations, you know, games that even the Soviets used, the Russians used, were institutionalized in our American Army and Joint Command.
(16:19) It wasn't just the CIA. I know, I understand. What a time, what an amazing thing went on here. It's just wrong. Right, right. Oh, what are some of the, now, the devices today, and you were involved with this man until fairly recently, really. Well, things were done to me, and I was trying to sort of figure out what was going on, and I don't want to go into too much detail, but these kinds of operations were laughingly
(16:51) by some of the guys who just said, oh, well, you know, they're just practicing. They just practiced on the Y, and I couldn't believe it because some of the things that were done to me were not only sadistic, but cruel. I mean, it was just unbelievable, and one night, the SEALs were caught in my neighborhood. A neighbor's huge dog was out, and my windows in my car were smashed two or three different times.
(17:28) I had tires flattened on court days. I had people coming into my house, and I mean, putting something like 12 screwdrivers, well, who in the world would believe a wife who said that she, you know, she found 12 screwdrivers or batteries in a drawer, so I, you know, I'm used. Now, see, that's exactly the kind of thing, Kay, I've heard from other people. There's a victim's group who have been played with like this mentally.
(17:57) Yeah. They do this to people. Yeah, and they laugh about it. Oh, yes. They beam voice. Ha, ha, ha. Right. They can put voices in people's minds, and sometimes, apparently, they'll leave a channel open, and these people actually hear them laughing about what they're doing to them. Well, you wouldn't believe it when Sarah McLennan, the senior White House correspondent, called, tried to get hold of me after I had called her frantically after I had the two death
(18:27) threats, and she said she had to call from another house because she said every time she called my number, and I was the only one there, a male voice answered and said, this is Little Creek Military Base, and the Griggs's don't live here anymore. Yeah, I got it. All right. That was my number. Yeah. Stand by, Kay. I understand fully. We'll pause and come right back. All right, Kay, you're with this man. He's drinking.
(19:32) How often did he drink, and how often did he start stealing? Well, George drank, I think, to sort of blot things out. Was it a pain he was trying to assuage somehow? Well, he ran, and he drank hard, and he certainly had a lot of, quote, unquote, responsibility. How many people did he kill? Well, George, I only know about some that he told me. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And he was the outstanding one in the family, and so they essentially, they literally sent
(20:35) his family to California, got them out of the way, and then he got a scholarship to go to a fancy quote-unquote boy's school in Princeton called The Hun. That's H-U-N for your listeners. H-U-N. And that's where he was molested by a teacher, a group of teachers. He was put in with the very, very wealthy Saudi royals and Admiral Kimmel's son and others, and yet he was a rising star in that group, and everyone thought he was so handsome.
(21:14) But he was molested as a boy, those four years, and never saw his parents. And you know, they really messed with his mind, and then, if he was good, he was bribed essentially, if he was good with these older men, he got a scholarship to Princeton. When you say, that's not mince words now, when he was bribed and if he was good with these older men, you're talking about sex. Yeah, of course. And this was common.
(21:49) This was common. Yes. Nice. And then, you see, the Russell Trust, the money came from England, and it came to these. And I think the Saudi boys were just as innocent in the beginning, too. And what they were doing, and these, and I'm not saying, I am very, I have Jewish friends and this kind of thing, I'm definitely not anti-Jewish, but the people who were in charge of the men, the Lavender Boys, who were doing these things to my husband, were Brooklyn
(22:30) people, Jewish people. And I don't know why this was going on like that, but the money, which they didn't even own, the Russell House, the Russell House was bought because there was a man who was part of the U.N., and he talked this wealthy banker in London to buy this mansion, and they put the Saudi royals, and they had parties and rompings in this big house, and the poor boys rarely went to classes. Really?
(23:07) Yeah. They were totally under the sway of this guy, Charles Caddock. Sexual? Yes. Psychological? Totally. Germans. Okay. But these weren't, these were German, you know, good-looking Germans who had that, what William Manchester called the German disease, in other words, they were homosexual Germans like Clay Shaw. There are an awful lot of homosexual British, too, it's just, it runs in the upper circles. Absolutely.
(23:38) No matter what country you look at. Sure. The Jews you mentioned, it's interesting. Would these have been, as you look back now, perhaps... Oppenheimer and that, they were at this institute. Okay. And I believe they also, you remember the man John Nash, the brilliant physicist? Yeah, okay. A beautiful mind. I'm sure they did the same thing to him. I'm sure they raped him. It seems to be, it's control, isn't it?
(24:05) As much as anything. Yes, it is. It's a way of, they know these people are outstanding, they're rising stars, they have potential. And they want to get out. And they want to be able to control them at all times, using fear tactics. Same thing with Skull and Bones, correct? Pardon? Same thing with Skull and Bones. Well, of course. I mean, they're telling their sexual secrets in college. But a lot of these boys in Skull and Bones, I believe they get to them just the way they
(24:33) did my husband when they're in high school. Because then they're really, you know, they're scholarship boys. Right. And they depend on that college education. Fast track. Fast track. Fast tracking them. Yeah. Very fast track. Okay. But as far as the murders and so forth, you think that George was directly involved in some? Oh, sure. Now we say, oh, sure, give me an example or two. You don't have to name names. Well, for example, he told me that, he talked about airplane crashes being one of the ways
(25:10) that they, in other words, he was saying airplane crashes are really a good thing. They still are. They use them all the time. Yeah. And I said, well, explain to me. First of all, he had to explain what he believed, because I'm a very strong Christian. Right. And, you know, murder is not good. And he, with a straight face, I'm really believing him and wanting to understand him. And he said, well, you know, it's not murder.
(25:40) And I said, well, what? It's not murder. Not murder. I said, well, why isn't it murder? He said, because there's no emotion involved. And I, of course, I never argued with him, because I really sincerely wanted to understand. So the killers are, they're psychopathic. They have no emotional attachment one way or the other to the act of killing. So it's not murder. Exactly. It's not stepping on a bug or something.
(26:07) Exactly. And the way he said, order, and the order. We were ordered. And it was as if his life depended. He would follow an order. He would get, before he would leave and disappear, he would be sort of curled up in a fetal position for a couple of days. I'm sure he had a chip in him. Right. And he would go out and, you know, sort of disappear and go up to meet Michael O'Boyle. And there was a little kind of a brick thing where I would, I'm sure they put the messages
(26:50) in at the end of our acre, which I found, which, you know, had a little kind of cubbyhole. Assignments, whatever. Yeah, yeah. And he would go up to, one night he went up three times to the grocery store and Michael O'Boyle, I found out, the one who'd always been the co-partner of his, even from Vietnam, lived here in Virginia Beach. His very best friend for two years. And I never, I only met him in his retirement.
(27:19) And there he was only a few miles away. Interesting. All right. Stand by Kay, if you would. Sure. And we can continue our conversation with Kay Griggs in just a minute. Kay, how high up did this chain go?
(28:41) Was this cabal that your husband was a part of, we certainly heard the names of presidents, Bush 41, did it go back to Reagan, you know, certainly Ron Contra did. But name some names of some of the top people who were talked about by your ex-husband. Well, I hesitate to, you know, sort of go really high. But you could if you wanted to. Yeah, because... That's fine. You don't want to get... You're in enough trouble, I understand.
(29:11) Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to help from within by retiring some of these guys and their methods. And the sailors, the Marines know what a cherry Marine is. They know what they do in the crossing the line ceremonies and the dining in. They know about the, you know, the Crisco and the anuses, all these horrible things that are just the ritual on board. How common is this? Seriously. Everyone does it. I mean, if you are on a Navy ship, you know, the guys strip down and they have Crisco,
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(34:00) Bob was warned by him not to talk. In fact, when he got back to Washington State or Oregon or wherever it was, there was a psychiatrist who was there and they tried to put him in an institutionalized setting. And he had some friends back home, back in Virginia. And he got back home and he just, he said it really messed up his marriage. He told this story to you. Yeah. We're talking about, I assume, sexual penetration.
(34:39) Yeah. Oh, yes. And just anal, just horrible stuff. And he, it just, it just is so bad. And you had no doubt he was telling, no doubt that he was telling the truth. Absolutely no doubt whatsoever. No doubt whatsoever. And he didn't have, you know, he was just, we had been friends and he was just talking, you know, we were just talking and he brought it up and it wasn't something I was wanting to know about in particular.
(35:17) Well, he had to talk, obviously, and there was something about you that seems to have made him want to open up. Yeah. Because I was trying to find out how things were in Vietnam and, you know, and I had a Marine Corps, a couple of Marine Corps colonels tell me about how it was. Similar thing, you mean how it was meaning similar things? Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, there were no women there. And if there were women, in other words, this is wartime. And I understand that.
(35:43) It is said that this is not uncommon in the military. There are many stories from occupied Palestine of Israeli troops being observed doing similar things. I can't vouch for that, but we do get stories. And is it propaganda? I don't know. But this kind of thing is not strictly, I don't think it's only in our service. No, not really. Oh, no. It's just, it's a wartime thing, I think, that happened. Now, George Bush has made several interesting statements. I believe it was the Canadian spokesman for the prime minister. And he said something like, your spokesman is prettier than mine, meaning Scott McClellan.
(36:37) And he was talking about the other young man. And he said two or three things to the guy which were kind of over the line. You mean Bush? Yeah. Yeah. So this is suggestive of a bisexual American president who's looking at other men and not keeping his mouth shut. Sure. And, you know, the bicycle rides and things, you know, sort of, I'm not saying that he does, but I'm saying that here, they were talking about Clinton and Monica.
(37:07) Right. And don't tell me that Scott McClellan and Bush's number one guy did not know that Maureen Gannon was coming in at 9 o'clock in the morning and leaving at 5 in the afternoon. And I live with Sarah McClendon, who is a senior White House correspondent. And we went into the White House briefings during the Clinton administration. And I know how the correspondents behave. They would go in, they would have the daily briefing, and everyone would show up at a certain time.
(37:47) And this Gannon, if the schedule has come out, he was in there doing things other than, and he certainly was not a correspondent. So who was he servicing? And don't tell me that Roe wasn't totally aware of everything. Because this is how they hold people in and keep their secrets. So, in your opinion, George Bush is clearly bisexual. Well, I don't know whether it's George Bush or Roe or McClellan, but certainly one of those three is.
(38:27) And they all have to know it, right? And probably a few more. You're saying is that they all have to know it. Of course they know it. You know, someone who's told his sexual history when he's in college and thinks it's cool, and to talk about that, ha ha, certainly he's going to talk about it. Any truth to the rumors of Bush and the former mayor of a large city in Tennessee? Well, I don't know. I wouldn't want to talk about that. I know a lot of things about some of the Republican operatives. And I know quite a lot. I don't know whether I'm ready to talk about that.
(39:13) Let me put it this way. Would it surprise you? No, of course not. Okay. All right. Good. Murders are what I'm really aware of in Virginia. I was going to say, we have much to talk about that's far more serious than sexual preference. Yeah, yeah. And we'll do that after the top of the hour break. The murders. The murders of people like Paisley and Shadron and Siegler and Mary Meyer and, you know, Ron Brown.
(39:44) Mary Meyer killed with three or four others in that restaurant. Oh, that was not Mary Meyer. Mary Meyer was married to the number two guy in the CIA who was a Marine. Got it. Ford Meyer. Okay. All right. Lots of murders. including the Wellstones, Senator Mel Carnahan, murder is and has been a commonly used tool in American politics for forever, nothing new, more high tech, tougher to trace now, airplanes being a preferred mode, Dr.
(40:21) David Kelly of course in England, absurd to say he committed suicide, Vince Foster of course as far from a suicide as you're going to get, we'll talk with Kay Griggs more about these things as we begin our second hour in just a minute. Okay, we're back on to Kay Griggs, murder as a weapon, murder as a common political tool, murder done with utter remorselessness, no conscience at all, murder done as simple as swatting a fly, it's a strategic move, it's a chess game and you take out players, it's a strategic move.
(42:00) Yeah and it avoids, if there's a critical mass that is building which is opposing the prevailing policy or plans, George was involved with of course plans and policy which is one of the many hoops that one has to jump through and the group, you know, Armitage and Gates, McFarland and Buckerville, it was a coordinating subgroup, it was in the White House and it was a coordinating subgroup in the White House that George worked with
(42:43) and they were, had been all as Rami at SHAPE or Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe in Mons, Belgium or they had been to the Defense College at Rome for six months and in other words they felt as if they were special because they had been given special assignments which their brothers had sort of suggested that they do and they had been given these jobs and Bob Oakley who was an ambassador, he was a special assistant to Reg and they, it was a small buddy-buddy group that had coalesced during Vietnam,
(43:35) I mean Armitage was doing, he was a Navy SEAL and he and George were very, are very close. George? My husband. And you see the State Department, these operations were done through the Department of State because they'd wear plain clothes, they'd have passports with different names on them. Compartmentalized or ordered from the top? Well it depended on how far you were up, you knew who your buddy-buddy was, George had Michael O'Boyle and you know they were, they were very close and.
(44:11) When you say very close and you laugh. Yeah. You're talking about very close. Yeah, I know, yeah. Right. So, but the fact that George and Michael O'Boyle were that close, everybody knew, everybody knew about my husband and another couple that you know, and there was an incident, there were quite a number of incidents that one of the Marine colonels told me about and everybody knew. You mean another couple, a threesome?
(44:46) Threesome and foursome, yeah, Rush River Lodge and the Earls and. Wife swapping, men swapping? Yes. Whatever. Yes, wife swapping and three and for instance one of the couples in Indonesia when he was there with Wolfowitz and George was training assassins there and with this Air Force quote unquote couple. And they were, the secretary was involved with the husband and the wife, they were all doing that together and this particular tour, Sue was back at home.
(45:24) That's his first wife. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I don't think she was happy about any of this to be quite honest. And she had to know about much of it, I'm sure. Oh sure, I think that she had. Did George brag about it when he'd get drunk? Was this something he. Yeah, he talked about it, he talked about Mary Halab and her husband was the assistant to Malcolm Kerr who had been the head of the American University of Beirut and he was, you know, single while he was in Beirut and having sexual sort of forays.
(46:03) And the husband of Mary Halab was a Lebanese Muslim and the minute Malcolm Kerr was murdered, Mary Halab's husband went to be, he was an administrator but he became the head of the American University of Beirut. And in other words, it was, they would pop off somebody who was British in a heartbeat and the people who work with these Marines are Israelis. They're assassins and they train at Quantico and they have a special friend and I know one and I'm not going to mention any names who's a Marine, an African American Marine, but I know that he's not straight.
(46:56) He's a cherry Marine and the guy who, during this time frame when I knew him, tried to get him a date but he had a friend, a male friend who was an Israeli, the duo, you know, when they had the two guys together. So this is a hit team you're talking about. Exactly. Okay. And the guy who's Israeli would do hits inside the United States and vice versa. And they would just take a flight and they'd, you know, just as the SEAL team do and go over there and dress up as if they're Arabs or Palestinians and blame it on the Palestinians in order to create a...
(47:38) Well, it's not only false flag operations but operations go far beyond that. So when you see the bombings and the killings and so forth, even of American soldiers in Iraq, the stories that suggest that there may be Israelis involved with killing American soldiers... There always are Israelis involved and that's, if you even look at Abu Ghraib, and that's the thing. When I was living with Sarah McClendon, because I have a roommate who was Jewish, I mean I'm not...
(48:05) No, I know, we understand that. It's okay. But the thing was, I went into the Department of State, this was during Clinton's administration, because I wanted to see the Near East section. I really wanted peace in that area. And I was going with a group of school kids who were going through the Department of State and having a show of everything. And I went up to the floor where the Near East section, they call it, was and is.
(48:35) They had about eight doors with these little punch code things and all the doors were open. And I went into every single door and there was not one Christian, there was not one Roman Catholic, there was not one Muslim, not one Arab. They were all Zionist, you know, or men with yarmulkes and they had... Every one? Every single one. Not one exception. And I had seen Dennis Roth and some of these guys who are, you know, are dual national, who are what we call neocons, because they are really more pro-Israeli than they are pro-American.
(49:22) They're Israeli firsters, yeah. And I don't think this is... We can't, as a country, be looked upon as an honest broker if we don't have anybody who speaks the language or who gives a darn about the country. We've been... This is a coup d'etat has occurred by another nation and certainly a geopolitical philosophy we know as Zionism, sometimes called neocon, whatever you want to call it. The predominant membership, of course, happens to be Jewish. There are Christian Zionists, but this is a Jewish supremist Zionist group.
(49:58) Yes. And if you... You get a magazine like the Journal of Net Centric Warfare, C4ISR, a journal put out by Defense News Media Group, and you look in there, you see ISI, the Israeli company. I would go to Army shows and see the Hunter system, which was a command and control system, which was Israeli run with our equipment. They know when we're having all of our operations, they know everything because they're meeting
(50:37) every day in Quantico up there with the FBI, with the CIA, and it's just not fair because if they want to cause trouble, which I believe that they naturally do, I mean, look at the Liberty. I have one of my best friend's brother, the Liberty, but I mean, they won't... That's just one example. Yeah, just one example. There's a suggestion that the 241 Marines that were killed in Beirut in the bombing were taken out by Israelis as well.
(51:09) Yeah, because Sharon was involved with that, and my husband said he knew about it beforehand. And there he was, a Marine, knowing about it, and he could do nothing. As you know, Israeli companies have the contracts to do the billing for about 80% or so of American telephone and cell phone communications. They've also put in the highest level, ultra top secret communications systems and software between the White House and the Pentagon, and don't tell me they haven't built back
(51:38) doors in there. They have the ability to monitor telephone calls real time all the way to Israel and listen in anywhere they want at any time. These people are absolutely brilliant. And they have totally taken over much of the internal mechanism of this country at the upper levels. Absolutely. And the top computer guy at the Pentagon I know, and he is a rabid Zionist, and calls himself an anarchist. And what's somebody like that doing in charge of all the computers?
(52:07) Well, then we have, of course, Zach Keim during his tenure at the Pentagon when a trillion dollars went missing. Yeah. All right, stand by. We'll break and come right back. Stand by. We'll break and come right back with Kay Griggs. All right, right back with you. I'm Jeff Rents, Coast to Coast on the Genesis Communications Network and worldwide on the Internet as well. Rents.com is the website, R-E-N-S-E dot com.
(53:13) This is the kind of material we bring you at Rents.com around the clock from around the globe. And we're very much honored to have Kay Griggs back tonight. She is more than a courageous American patriot. She's a truly incredible human being to take this kind of a risk to try to make a difference, which is what we all need to do. The numbers of murders, Kay, let's just take the Clinton years, the so-called famous infamous
(53:38) Clinton death list, which went on and on and on. More recently, we have, of course, the death of Dr. David Kelly. Did you hear anything about that from your sources? Yeah, from some of my British friends. In fact, I had witnessed him on C-SPAN the day before he was murdered, and I saw him squirming. I do sketches of people, pencil sketches and so forth, in just a few minutes, just to try and improve my, you know, observing people and body language.
(54:11) And he was so nervous, and Jack Straw, I believe that the individuals around him had him murdered because he was put on the hot seat, and he had to talk, and he did. And the very next day, he was on C-SPAN, and then the very next day, we heard about him, and I believe he was murdered. And the interesting thing, too, when I had the two death threats, and there was a Royal Mountie who was with this New Jersey guy named Joe who came to Mahi Ma's, and in other words,
(54:53) he just said, you know, he'd done his wife, and that if I didn't stop talking about my conversation with William Colby, who was a friend of my Uncle Ben's, because William Colby had gone to Princeton with my Uncle Ben, and they had both been in cap and gown, and that's one of the reasons that I sort of thought George would be all right, because my father's sister's husband, Uncle Ben Delaney, had been a football star, and been in cap
(55:23) and gown, and had the same thing, but his parents were killed, and he went to the Hun School, and he went through the same hoops that my husband did. And I called William Colby after I had the death threat at Mahi Ma's, and he said, don't worry, he knew who my family were, he knew who Uncle Ben was, and George, and he said, this is awful, and just don't worry. And I didn't worry after I talked to him, because I just knew that he was going to take
(55:55) care of things, and about two weeks later, I open up the front page of the Virginian Pilot, and find out that William Colby had gone out in a canoe, and he disappeared, and it was exactly the same thing that had happened to Paisley. You know, there's a wonderful book called Widows, by Corson and Trento, about three murdered high-level men, and Paisley had a similar job as O'Neill, and the fellow in England, and he was murdered the same way William Colby was.
(56:33) Talking about John O'Neill. Yes, John O'Neill. Who was in the World Trade Center. I'm talking about William Colby was murdered in the water, in a boat, and so was Paisley, only Paisley was a little bit earlier, during the Nixon administration. But this is what they do when the public's eyes are on people, and this is why they're very fearful, why I'm sure people like George and Oswald, they tense up, they just get,
(57:09) you know, you look at them and their hands are clenched, and they're frightened, because they know what they do to people, and so they realize that if they come out in the open, they're going to, somebody may do them. Gunter Rustbacher. I spoke to him. Yeah, Gunter was another operative. But he didn't go to Princeton, you know, Oswald didn't go to Princeton. What I know is that once you've been through the elite ROTC and, you know, intelligence
(57:51) groups at cap and gown at Princeton, and you have those friendships, then they protect each other. Whereas an Oswald or a Gunter Rustbacher, who's, you know, part of the Galen group, they usually leave. They go somewhere if they're lucky, or they do them. Galen meaning G-E-H-L-E-N, the former German World War II intelligence. Yeah, but they did everything. I mean, I believe they're still involved with the 9-1-1.
(58:25) When you saw, and we touched upon this briefly last time, you knew that, I assume maybe you knew, maybe after the fact that Dick Cheney had literally issued the most blatant threat against a U.S. senator that probably has ever been in print, when he threatened Wellstone about a month before the Wellstones were murdered. Yeah, I know they were murdered. And the guy who took over, he was born in New Jersey.
(58:51) Okay, Coleman. Yeah, actually he's a Zionist and doing the bidding of his masters. And interestingly enough, Coleman and our mayor had a special secret trip to Israel together. And this is the largest military complex in the world. And there's a lot of collusion I know about with the Meyer Lansky-Rabbi Kahane group that these people are involved with here in Norfolk. And that's not good. They're really dual nationals.
(59:27) They're not patriotic Americans. Well, look how many criminals have fled to Israel for security. Look at Jonathan Pollard, for example. Well, they can't quite get him out, but they're still working on it. Yeah. All right, stand by, Kay, if you will, we'll come right back and continue our conversation with Kay Griggs. We'll be right back. Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs
(1:00:37) Truth Hurts Radio 2005 Jeff Rense Interview of Kay Griggs Truth Hurts Radio Okay, welcome back. I'm talking with Kay Griggs about some pretty unbelievable things. She saw and heard about firsthand from her ex-husband. We know the story by now. Kay, here's an eclectic topic for a moment, if I might. Did you ever run across in all your years any comments from your ex-husband about the UFO issue, ETs, and so forth, about the cover-up that's going on?
(1:01:42) No, the only thing I can think of that I learned about and visited actually were the underground bunkers. Where were they? Well, I went in one in Norway that was a...