The 2005 Kay Griggs Interview, Part 1/3 - Disclosure of the Global Cabal/Mafia (Timestamped)

Kay Griggs was married to Colonel George Griggs, who ran special operations for NATO and his tenure included the Beirut bombings.

Her husband had many vices, and while he was drunk he would disclose secrets to her. She reveals a shadowy network of a global mafia with occult traditions going back to Ancient Greece (or perhaps earlier).

This global cabal, which her husband referred to as "the joint," works directly with the highest level military intelligence agencies across the world, even of governments that publicly are "enemies." Degenerate sex parties, drugs, trauma based mind control, massive underground bunkers, etc. are all involved.

We learn again that war is indeed a racket. Wars are mostly created for show, to steal resources, sell/test weapon systems, to train assassins, launder money, manipulate markets, act as distractions, create black markets -- that sort of stuff.

The Kay Griggs interviews, which this is the 3rd set (I believe), is probably one of the most important pieces of modern disclosure into how the world actually works. Many of the "heroes" and celebrities of the "alternative media" sphere that are highly platformed (e.g. Whitney Webb, Alex Jones, Ian Carroll -- among others), will not talk about these interviews although they know of it.

In Webb's case, and I'm just using her as an example, she's from a wealthy "cabal" connected family and is a trust funder. Her publisher is Mint Pres which is tied to Chatham House/The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the policy arm of the Committee of 300. You'll get good info from her, but it's allowed info.

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Summary
Show Introduction (00:30 - 01:22): Host Jeff Rense introduces the show format and expresses intent to bring truth and reality to listeners, mentioning the lineup for the evening, including guests Kay Griggs and William Rodriguez, who both have significant stories to share.

Introduction of Kay Griggs (02:02 - 02:31): Griggs joins the conversation, discussing her ongoing story related to her ex-husband, a Marine colonel, and her past experiences with military culture and operations.

Background of Kay's Story (03:13 - 04:26): Griggs shares her complications due to death threats linked to her husband's military background and discusses her connections to notable figures, such as William Colby, and the support she received from Sarah McClendon.

Military Corruption and Brotherhood (07:46 - 09:07): Kay describes a secretive brotherhood within the Marine Corps, emphasizing the protection and corruption that operates at high levels within the military and government.

Discussion of Military Assassinations (12:29 - 18:23): Griggs details her ex-husband's admissions about military operations, including discussions around assassinations and operations, such as the involvement in the Waco siege.

Commentary on Plane Crashes as Political Tools (19:00 - 23:06): The conversation touches on how plane crashes are utilized as covert political actions to eliminate perceived threats, citing examples like Ron Brown and Paul Wellstone.

Final Thoughts on Zionism and Control (54:06 - 59:55): As the program closes, Griggs expresses her views on the influence of Zionism in American politics and historical events, suggesting a deep and organized conspiracy behind prominent political assassinations and incidents throughout American history.

Transcript:
(00:30) Alright, welcome back. Boy, it's hot out there, need I tell you. Hope you had a good day today. Hi again, and welcome. I'm Jeff Rense. We are here with you Monday through Friday, coast-to-coast, 7 to 10 p.m. Pacific, 10 to 1 a.m. Eastern, on the Genesis Communications Network, and, of course, on the Internet as well, into our twelfth year now of trying to bring you a look at reality, truth, and to give you the opportunity to make your own decisions.
(01:22) We have an extraordinary and unforgettable program in store for all of us tonight, as we will spend some time with two truly heroic Americans. First, in just a few moments, Kay Griggs will join us, whose most recent interview is at the top of Rense.com. Many of you have read it. If you haven't, I urge you to do so. And then later on tonight, a conversation with William Rodriguez, the WTC North Tower janitor, survivor, hero, and eyewitness to the massive internal explosion, clearly a bomb, that went off before the airliners struck that tower.
(02:02) This is an amazing story. We have two extraordinary people tonight, so sit back and prepare to hear things that your mind may tell you just cannot be true, but in point of fact, they are. Welcome to Kay Griggs, first of all. Hello, Kay. Can you hear me all right? Can you hear me? I'm at another phone. Oh, you sound like you're just fine. Oh, good. Not a problem. Good connection. Your story has been written by the just superb writer, Greg Simansky.
(02:31) He really is. He is a man who has dialed into an awful lot of crucial truths lately and has written and presented those truths with extraordinary acumen. It's amazing to read his works. Time after time, he continues to produce remarkable journalism. You've been talking about your story now, and it is quite a story, for over 10 years, I guess 11 years now. Well, not really in the press, just to friends around here, because I didn't realize it was on the Internet until just recently.
(03:13) Oh, really? Yeah. Well, it's there, my dear, and you're famous now. When did you first go into a public format, a public venue of this? I mean, seriously. I know you did a radio program a long time ago, but was it, I guess, Greg's article, or who was first to really put you in print? Well, I honestly don't know. I had death threats, and when I went up to Washington, I was invited up to sort of a safe house and to talk to some, I guess they were intelligence people at the press club,
(03:50) who were friends of the senior White House correspondent, Sarah McClendon, who knew I was telling the truth. And I had spoken to William Colby, who was a friend of my uncle Ben's. They were at Princeton together and also in the same secret society or eating club that my husband was. And I felt very secure having talked to William Colby after the death threats and the house break-ins and everything. And then when he was missing, his canoe was turned over and he was gone.
(04:26) What a story. And that's when I just really, I guess, went haywire and started calling people I thought I could trust, and I got Sarah. Well, you got a great one. Oh, yeah. I lived with her for a long time up there. What an amazing, amazing woman. She saved my life, really, literally. Well, her work over the decades has probably saved the lives of many people. Oh, she really has. She was just the greatest kind of patriot, just like my grandmother, and really sincere and highly respected.
(05:06) I think people feared her truth. I think you're right. I had her on the program once some years ago now. She's still active? She died last year, sadly. She isn't. That was some funeral at the press club. It was just totally jam-packed. I wondered if she was still active. I didn't know. Yeah, she just died. She's in her 90s. Yeah, I know. Brilliant. I think she was on the program when she was 86 or something like that.
(05:33) Yeah, just a great lady. Anybody who's watched television in the past, how many years was she sitting in the front row at those White House press conferences? Well, she was there for the Roosevelt administration. Right. She was the first one who sort of got women into the press club because it was an all-male enclave. Sarah and Helen Thomas, they were sitting in the upper regions, just like African Americans used to do in the churches.
(06:03) It was Margaret Thatcher who said, Why are they up there? Really, Margaret Thatcher working with Sarah. Anyway, they finally got women to be allowed to become members. Now, for our listeners, let me just read a little bit from Greg Simansky's article about what we're going to discuss to give them an idea, a little bit of background. For 11 long years, Kay Griggs heard all the messy details from her military husband, usually while he was drinking, before going into one of his drunken stupors.
(06:38) First going public in 1998 in an eight-hour video interview with a truth-seeking Michigan pastor and FM radio broadcaster, she is now back after September 11th to warn Americans to beware of the evil. And boy is it, looking within the highest levels of government, bound and determined to destroy this country. Kay Griggs knows what it's like to have a gun pointed in her face. She knows what it's like to have her face slapped, her bones broken, and her nose bloodied by her former bully of a husband, an active Marine colonel,
(07:12) and a man who she claims is above the law and literally gets away with murder. This is a story, Kay, that is probably going to be almost unbelievable for some people, but that's okay, because most of this audience will be right with you every step, so just know you're talking to an incredibly enlightened group. Well, it's true. They feel they're totally above the law, and it's a brotherhood in which they protect each other.
(07:46) Is this brotherhood, it's certainly not restricted to the U.S. Marine Corps. No, but the Marine Corps, there's a group within the Marine Corps who have gone to Princeton and Annapolis and so forth, who are in the upper echelon of the Marine Corps. You wouldn't have found an Oswald in this group, although he was in the 4th Marines, but it has to do with friendships and where they went to school and the secret society or the eating club that they went to and which college.
(08:27) And then there are associations in Vietnam and the shape NATO, SACLAN, Defense College at Rome experiences. I really believe that Rummy went to NATO when the Nixon world was falling in, which saved him and protected him. It's an international brotherhood, and it is Masonic, very much Masonic. So it is the Masons, but again, for you Masons out there, it's something way above the levels you're familiar with.
(09:07) Well, you know, the Freemasons have a ladder and they're always climbing because they're very insecure. And they can't, you know, it's addictive. They just want to get another medal, another, you know, to make themselves feel confident because they don't. This is above 33rd degree. Yeah. He had all sorts of medals. Steiner, Carl Steiner and Mark Clark. You know, it's General Mark Clark. Yeah, he was. He was very corrupt, believe it or not.
(09:43) Another American hero, so to speak. So to speak. Yeah. So who are these people? It's an international group. The so-called Illuminati, the globalists, the New World Order. Yeah. Are these people, this particular group, group Are they an enforcement arm of this Illuminati? How do they tie in? Do you know? They are. Well, they're connected with the Joint Chiefs and the NSA and the White House, but George told me that really they wear different hats and it really doesn't matter what hat they
(10:19) wear. I see. He had different passports with different names. I felt as though he may have even had a double, but certainly he admired Rummy and he even had a stand-tall desk when he was at FMF Lant just because it was like something Rummy had. He had a driver like Ike had, like Kay Somersby. He just was, I don't know, bless his heart, very insecure and robotic. Well, it's nice of you to speak to him that kindly after the life he led.
(11:04) How many years? We have to go to a break. How many years were you married? Well, we were married for 11, but he disappeared the last couple of years. It was a very strange divorce. I understand. The 11 years, you were married, but it wasn't a marriage as we know it. Well, it was for a while. It was like Gunther Rothbacher's sort of marriage. Oh, yeah. I know all about Gunther. But George was like Gunther, but he didn't have to go abroad.
(11:37) I spoke to Gunther one time. Interesting. All right. Stand by. We'll be right back with Kay Griggs, our first two special guests tonight. All right. Let's get right back to our special guest, Kay Griggs. If I may, Kay, if you don't mind, I'd like to read just a little bit more from Greg's article to not only acknowledge him, but to give our listeners a little bit of a feeling of the breadth of this incredible panorama of horrible things you were exposed to for
(12:29) a long time. After renting the main portion of her house to Colonel Griggs, the couple dated for two months and were quickly married, a speedy decision the young bride would quickly learn to regret. The story of the couple's courtship is of little importance, but what happened afterwards regarding the colonel's drunken ramblings takes center stage. Said Kay, he started drinking, did a lot of heavy drinking, and at first I thought I could
(12:55) change him, said Griggs, who listened closely over the years about her husband's role as a military assassin and his role as a military trainer who brought new young assassins into the fold. Again, Kay Griggs. He started talking openly about murder, corruption, assassinations, and lies. It was just incredible the names that were involved and the people who were being killed. He gave me very detailed and graphic descriptions about how Waco was carried out, as well as
(13:26) how many other hits went down, including Malcolm Kerr, the head of the American University in Beirut, and Ron Brown, who was trying to take away the State Department's monopoly on drug money and arms deals. Now, there are several things to talk about right there. There's so much of that going on that people don't realize as far as buying and selling weapons. For instance, we were in France one Christmas, I think it was 1995, and he had prearranged
(14:01) a meeting with an Australian Brit and a Chilean member of their Secret Service who had a place there. We were at a place called Testino de Montmirail for two weeks. The guy was an arms dealer. In other words, they will sell American weapons through an Israeli group, and it's to confuse people. They will use the Israelis. Americans will use the Israelis, or rather, the Israelis will use the Americans. And then they have people like, there was a couple of men, Gorbanifar and another guy
(14:45) who were friends of George's, because George had, of course, been to the Hun school with the Saudi royals. Now, that's H-U-N, the Hun school. Yeah, and you know the king just passed away, but try to find out in the press about the three royals who went to the Hun school and then to Princeton. It's rather hard, but if you contact the school, they'll tell you about it. In other words, these early friendships that George and guys like Bob Edwards had in high
(15:24) school, and then going to Princeton and getting into cap and gown, which was the one Rami was in, and Colby, and you know, Schultz, Carlucci, Dulles, Allen Dulles. It's a very small group, and Dulles, I believe Allen Dulles was the one who really was responsible for bringing Rami in, Carlucci in, my husband in. My Uncle Ben had been in that club as a football star, and I, you know, I thought it was God.
(16:02) I just thought, well, George coming into my life, you know, it was just exactly the same hoop, those were the hoops that my Uncle Ben had gone through, and his parents were killed. But George's parents were just sent away for eight years. So, you know, I began to connect the dots and think, you know, these are young boys who don't have parents, they're poor, although Uncle Ben had a little bit of money, but once
(16:31) his parents died, it was gone, and they're all in scholarship, they're all dependent on ROTC scholarships. They have no careers, like the wealthy guys at Princeton, so they're really dependent on the political, military hoops and people to promote them, and Allen Dulles really pretty much oversaw their initial getting into political spheres of power. I think the underlying point here is that murder means nothing to the power brokers
(17:11) at the top, and it is commonly used as a political, economic, and terrorism device. There's a true terrorist, anytime and anywhere they want, it seems. It's arm's length. It has nothing to do with the politicians who want the person, or the intelligence, high-level person who wants to get rid of this troublesome guy. And they're all, in other words, they were German individuals who, and I'm not opposed to, you know, Germans are fine, but there were a lot of German SS who came into this
(17:51) country, I know because my grandfather was involved with that as a naval intelligence doctor here in Norfolk during World War II, and I never thought about that. But when George was talking to me, and I knew his family were German, and I started thinking, well, you know, you're killing people, and this is, in other words, it was institutionalized what he was talking about. All right, I understand. Structural to the system.
(18:23) Yes. Vital to the system. Vital to the system. Vital to the system. Yes. All right. Ron Brown. What is your understanding about how Ron Brown was killed? Of course, that whole plane was brought down. Yes. A lot of these, George would talk about plane crashes and how easy they were just ways to get rid of a small number of people. He said it's much better to have a plane crash than to have a war. In other words, he was rationalizing and saying that plane crashes were normal special operations
(19:00) that they did in order to... Surgical precision to remove problems. Exactly. He called them surgical. He used words like surgical and neutralization. But in other words, it was just a matter of fact thing, and it just had to be done, quote unquote. I understand. All right. Stand by, Kay, if you would. We have to take a very short break. We'll be right back and hear more from Kay Griggs. We'll be right back. Kay, if I might, I want to go back to the Ron Brown assassination and plane crash, which
(20:16) killed close to 50 people altogether, something like that. Individual researchers working very hard put together a very plausible scenario about how that plane was brought down with incorrect ground data in terms of bad weather. They flew it into the top of a hill. Apparently the first people on the scene found at least one survivor in the back of the plane, a military stewardess named, I think, Shelly Kelly, who apparently was walking around.
(20:46) She died after being evacuated, allegedly from a loss of blood, very mysterious. Ron Brown is said to have been found with a hole in the top of his head. The autopsy films of his examination, of course, have been kept sealed. We've never seen them. There was a picture or two leaked, which was highly suggestive. What do you know about the Ron Brown assassination? Well, just tying together the things that George talked about, plane crashes, it was
(21:16) a, I won't say a popular, he mentioned things like signature murders. And he explained to me how the Marines would, they had different patterns that they would leave marks so that the snipers, shooters, or whomever, the dirty tricks, wet ops, people would know who did it. I see. A little signature. Yeah, I see it. Like Paul Wellstone's plane, and Ashcroft's opponent, and Dick Openshane in Virginia. I mean, they're just, they're just all over the place.
(21:56) Well, the Wellstones were clearly murdered. That plane... Sonny Bono, was it Sonny Bono, not Sonny Bono, John Denver, the group that formed the critical mass against landmines. John Denver lost in the Pacific when his small stunt plane crashed. Sonny Bono is said to have been murdered on the ski slopes as well. All over the landmine issue with Diana, because that's a growth industry in the Navy in Texas.
(22:25) And they had formed a sort of a critical mass, and within a matter of months, they were... The movement was decapitated. Yeah. And that's what he said they had to do. They don't like critical masses that threaten something that is profitable or political that is important to them. Are they guarding their own worth and value, or are they doing the work of those they are associated with? Or is it both? Well, it's certainly a combination of both, because they feel as if they are the group.
(23:06) It's very... I don't know how to... You know, when people go through initiations in the masons or the ceremonies that are really kind of gross, but they bond the boys. They're drunk, and it's a memorable experience, if you could say that. Well, you wouldn't forget it easily, that's for sure. You know, but it's a form of kind of bonding, and it's what gave Layman the courage to do what he did, tailhook with all the Marines looking on.
(23:40) You know, we won't tell, and if somebody does tell, then they disappear, or they're neutralized, or they're ruined. So they just are afraid, but it's also exciting. They have a lot to fear, but on the edge of fear is, I was going to say, a certain high, because you're on the inside cutting edge. You're there. It doesn't get any giddier than that, does it? No, and they have affairs, you know, Bob Oakley, and Gates, and you know, all these guys who
(24:16) are, you know, Buck Revell, they pal around with, you know, Tom Clancy's part of the group, and they do things, and nobody will talk, because they know that they're... Just like Jerry Unruh, I mean, everybody sort of knows that they're messing around. What you're saying is they're homosexuals, they're pedophiles, there is no end of the... Absolutely. Ben Bradley, you know, Warner, all the Marines, Hassenfuth, and North, I mean, the Kallstrom,
(24:53) it's a very small group, and they've been in operations together, sort of like the Delta Team One in Italy, you know, with the boss and so forth, that they went to Rome and Steiner was involved with. But this group was preceded by another group, and a group before that. This is nothing new. The Dulles group, yeah. The Dulles brothers, and you mentioned Germans coming over here, well, Paperclip, of course,
(25:23) we know, brought scientists, but there were other operations. Well, it was a huge operation, and I know right much about that in Virginia, because my grandfather, Bird, was a naval intelligence, high-level person during World War II. He was a doctor, and he spoke German, he was brilliant, he was an obstetrician. And I know a lot about what's gone on in Norfolk, you know, since World War II and up through
(25:53) the 80s. And when I found out the same thing goes on in other ports, and organized crime is totally involved in it, naturally. Kay, how is it that you're on the program talking with me tonight? How is it that you've escaped being silenced, ruined, sent away, whatever? Well, my first wife was murdered, and I think that Sue, Suzanne Workman Griggs, was killed during the Iran-Contra hearings, because George was North's handler for Al Gray for the joint...
(26:34) Your ex-husband was Ollie North's handler? Yeah, I mean, he was the chief of staff for the Marine Corps, for Gray's boys, the assassins, who were working with Steiner, Jim Joy, and Brute Krulak, and they were working with the Nelson Rockefeller group in the Republican Party. But I'm not saying that Republicans are bad, because there were actually folks working both sides, like Walt Rostow and... Boy, you're dropping so many names, I'm going...
(27:06) No, but they're all... No, I understand what you're telling me, but it's almost deafening. The everyone is another bomb, and if I can go back to former CIA Director William Colby, your friend? Yeah, he was a friend of my uncle's, a good friend, and a really nice man whom I spoke with when I, after March the 4th, when I had called General Joy and wanted to find my husband, because I had no money. And that was during the latter years of your marriage when he disappeared?
(27:44) Mm-hmm. And General Joy said, I don't believe I know your husband. And I was looking at his diary in Beirut when he was, you know, with Bob Oakley, and Bob Gates, and Larnaca, and, you know, every day with Joy and Steiner. And then when I told him I had the diary, he couldn't wait to meet me, and that's another story entirely. You wouldn't believe that. But then my house was broken into, and I was set up by a NATO person named Fred Hentz.
(28:19) Okay, hold on right there. House broken into, looking for the diary, I would assume. We have to do a little bit of a break here, Kay. This is amazing. Stand by, we'll come right back. And back with Kay Griggs. Just to underscore the point that no one is secure, former CIA Director William Colby, as I recall, Kay, was about to testify at some Senate or House committee, and I was concerned at that point in time that we were about to hear some amazing news, and the news
(29:19) we heard was he was dead. And allegedly, what happened, as I know it, and correct me if this story is incorrect, but the common perception is that on a cold and rainy night, he got up from his comfortable desk around 11 o'clock in the evening and went out for a canoe paddle. Dinner, he had dinner uneaten, and his computer was turned on. Supposedly he went out for a canoe ride, that was the official story, and he turned over
(29:46) and he drowned. Well, I went to a cocktail party in Virginia Beach, and again, I'm not going to mention names, but it was a very high-level cocktail party, and one of the individuals there, There was part of the Lavender Boy, high level Lavender Boy Network in Norfolk and he, and I knew, in other words, I talked to him about, this was the topic of conversation for people who really cared to know about this kind of thing and for me in particular because he'd
(30:24) been a close friend of my uncle's and he was in the same eating club with my husband and dying like that and I'd spoken with him and he told me not to worry, he said, you know, he was going to help and I was feeling very secure and so when he died, when he was missing, I was agitated and I just was talking with this person and he couldn't wait to tell me that he had some friends who were SEALs and that they knew who had done it but they, he said that they didn't know it was Colby at the
(31:06) time but they found out it was Colby. So it was done by some Navy SEALs here at Little Creek who were ordered to do it and they realized who they'd done and this is kind of how it works. Wow, it's pretty amazing. All right, well, William Colby, gone. When Senator Wellstone's plane went down, you were well aware of the threat that Cheney had made to the senator in a couple of months, several months before the crash, I'm assuming.
(31:45) When the plane went down, the timing of it and all that probably didn't take you by surprise, did it? No, and the Ashcroft one didn't surprise me either but I think because he's a Christian, he says he's a Christian, he didn't take the, you know, the seat but it's happened to a lot of... He was supposed to, tell us that story about Ashcroft briefly. Well, I don't know that much about Ashcroft but I just, when I heard it and then I heard he, that the person, the person who was running against him was in a plane crash
(32:27) and he, it was a couple of days before the election, I understand, and he could have easily slipped into it but I think he knew. That was Mel Carnahan, wasn't it? I believe, yes, and his wife or his widow stepped in and it was like who, the one in Louisiana who's, she's a columnist and her mother was the ambassador to the Vatican but I believe he was in a plane crash. So plane crashes are one of the chosen methods of removing problems.
(33:00) Absolutely are, according to George and, you know, there were people like General Andrews. I have a friend who's kind of a little spooky but she's the only granddaughter of Andrews Air Force Base, General Andrews, and the family know that he was murdered. This was a long time ago. Right, well, going back to Secretary Forrestal, I mean, there's so many. And Forrestal was a Princeton guy. Ah, in the club too.
(33:36) And General Patton? Well, Patton was done by the Mark Clark Group because of the, his discovery of all the things that they were doing with paintings and I'm sure there were a lot of other reasons. Right, right. But he was basically an honest guy, Patton. Right. And a truth teller and he knew that Clark had done all sorts of nefarious things and I'm not saying that Clark didn't have some good but from what I know from, he was a really bad guy. Yeah. But of course, you know, I'm, my whole family have been naval officers.
(34:22) Well, have you talked to your ex-husband in the last several years at all? No, no, I just communicate a little bit with his daughter and son-in-law. Kay, who is, who's watching over you? Who's taking care of you? Well, I believe the reason I'm alive, and this is what people believe too, is because I spoke up right away. When Sarah told you to? When Sarah told me to do, to do that. And also, because his first wife was murdered and I went to the NCIS, N-I-S, with her birth, her death
(35:08) certificate, which everyone was told that Sue had had a heart attack. But I was told by someone, and I'm not going to mention, a very high level person, very high level person, who was official that Sue had gone ballistic over some things that George was involved in. And particularly after a trip to Florida, which George told me about, and she was really going ballistic, and they brought some friends, the Earls.
(35:42) There was one brother who was with the NSA, and then Jim and Nancy, to calm her down. And then she had this, quote unquote, heart attack, which all the Marine wives said she had. But when I saw the death certificate, which he had hidden in the attic in this black flip thing he had with a lot of other papers then, and I was curious one day and found out that she had had a cerebral hemorrhage and that, and then I asked him over, you know, drinks, he was, what really happened that night,
(36:31) George? And she, he did not call the rescue squad. This was right at supper time. And he dragged her back to the bedroom. What happened to her in the first place? Exactly. He gave her one of the things that he gave me. He killed her. I understand what you're saying. And I told that to the man, well, anyway, I told it to two different people. And I finally got a woman at Oceana who was at NCIS, NIS. And I found out she was a Marine.
(37:12) But three days later, Sue's body had been dug up and removed. And they, in other words, they must have, I know that they didn't do an autopsy on her body. They just, George got rid of it. Was it some kind of poison? Or did it cause a hemorrhage? You know, he put things in my coffee. I don't want to go into that because it was just too painful for me to even go into that part of it. But it was just, it was, it was like a movie.
(37:56) It was just, I was struggling. It was just unbelievable. And I knew what she had gone through. And I really believe that's why I'm alive today, or at least I'm alive up to this point. Why did he leave for those last several years of your, quote, marriage? Well, he was involved with the Bosnian thing, setting up pre-positioning of weapons in Norway. And that was, he was totally preoccupied with that.
(38:24) Because they knew there was going to be, you know, the war. Right. Did you hear anything from him about the current state of affairs? How long ago the Iraq, Middle East involvement was planned? Was that ever discussed? Well, yeah, he would, he discussed a lot about Iran and the Bekaa Valley and the Israelis, the Tel Aviv Israelis. What did he think of the Zionist Israelis? Well, they were totally involved with everything that was going on because the assassins I met,
(39:13) you see, they have assassins, these duo teams, like the ones who got Bill Cosby's son. And they're, they have an Israeli and an American, and they're usually flamers. They're usually homosexuals. And I met... They call them flamers? Well, you know, they, they have sex with each other. And they're Marines. And they're assassins. They're shooters. And one, a couple of Christmases, there's a, there was a, I don't know what to say this or not.
(39:46) I met the mother, the Israeli mother, and this guy, I nearly got him a car. And, um, They were an assassin team. He was an Israeli and he would do assassinations in the United States because some sort of jurisdictional thing, and Carl would do it in other places. I mean, they'd go to Algeria and they'd hop a plane. So it was a homosexual death squad, two people? Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, the two couples that I knew about were definitely...
(40:23) I kept trying to get him dates, you know? It was so strange. Yeah. Well, you finally figured it out. Hold on if you wait, Kay. We have a little break to do here. We'll come back in another half an hour to go. Okay. You're an amazing woman. Just amazing. Thank you, and stand by. We'll be back. Thank you. Your turn. Okay, we are back. I'm Jeff Rentsch with Kaye Griggs' first half of the program tonight.
(42:28) Her story, part of it, a tiny, tiny part of it, brilliantly told by journalist Greg Simansky at the top of rentsch.com. I urge you to read it. It is entitled The Evil Lurking Within. Okay, a lot of quick things. Tell us about what you know and what you were told about Waco. Keep it simple, but give us the overview. Well, George, George's, the triumvirate Steiner and Joy were involved with training operations sometime before in Panama, in and out.
(43:19) They were involved with the CIA and they, in other words, they were training special operations men from other countries with Americans. They still are. Is it called School of the Americas or something? Well, no, these were outside of the United States. I see. Okay, they were training abroad. And so they had been involved with Noriega on and off for quite some time. Right. With the North crowd and so forth.
(43:49) Noriega is still cooling his heels, I guess. Yeah. So, but with the Waco, Carl Steiner and Jim Joy were involved with the attack on Waco in that they brought in their people. These were not Texans. They had their own special people in there who were brought in specifically to do what they did. Why? What was the danger? Well, using radios and this was Jim Joy and Carl Steiner's, this was their thing. Was this a training operation for them?
(44:34) Yes. And they did it in Panama. These are just trying out their, what they, so that the men will know how to do it. It's a bonding kind of thing. It was a live fire training operation. Yeah. And they do live fire training all the time out in the desert. And George was the number one shooter for the Marine Corps for years. And he told me about how they would go out and, I mean, they really are. They're using live bullets and live target practice and the guys have to escape an evasion, but they use real bullets.
(45:18) So they turn people loose and hunt them down. Exactly. TWA Flight 800. What do you know about that? Well, that was, and the scuttlebutt around here is that that was done, it was a NATO SACLANT game. It got out of hand? Or mistake. And Kallstrom being a Marine, they... Oh, Kallstrom was a Marine. Now it makes sense. You see Kelly, Warner, Ben Bradley, Kordmeier, Buck Revell, Oliver North, all these guys in the armitage train, you know, seal with these guys.
(46:01) And they're, it's a very, they do operations and have done operations. So that when the time comes for promotion, you know, and to cover up this or that, Kallstrom was right there. And I believe that's why the guy Kelly, I know what was his name, O'Neal, was murdered in 9-1-1. Because he knew everything about what was going on. So they... They got rid of him. He was probably killed before the building ever came down.
(46:30) Absolutely. I mean, it was his first day on the job. It was Mueller's first day. It just, there were too many... Right. Understand, this is going on in broad daylight, right in front of us all the time. These killings, these plane crashes, these alleged suicides. Remember the Clinton death list? Yeah. So many people killing themselves by shooting themselves multiple times in the head. Well, Admiral Borda was killed by a Marine.
(47:01) Why did they take out Admiral Jeremy Borda? Because he was, he was going to appear the very next day. He was going to testify too, I remember that. Yeah, and I believe it was all about the guys who were coming from other countries, particularly Israel, who were coming to Norfolk, Virginia, and they were being paid for by the government, and they were doing operations inside the United States. And I believe that Colby, because I told Colby, I spoke to him on the phone,
(47:36) and there was, I'm not going to say this, I know who was involved with spying on Colby. Just like Nussbaum was across the hall from Vince Foster. There's always somebody with an office across the hall. They're always watched. That's exactly right. So they shot Vince in the parking lot, is my understanding, and carried him to Fort Marcy and dumped him. Yeah. Well, Linda Tripp worked for Carl Steiner. She did?
(48:14) Yes. It's all together, isn't it? Linda Tripp. And so did McVeigh. And Monica Lewinsky. Remember these, remember all the ties? None of this is at random, folks. No, they knew she liked older men, and she had that propensity. They planted her there because she would gravitate towards him and vice versa. And Linda Tripp was an operative. She and her husband were both down there working with Carl Steiner at the JFK School in Fort Bragg.
(48:48) What's Steiner doing now? I have no idea. He's a really bad man. He's very bad, very evil. How do you know Kay Griggs about Oklahoma City, the bombing? Well, they had a group down there, one of the Princeton friends of George's, believe it or not, who's in intelligence. They had this big camp there, and they were bringing lots of Iranians, and they were bringing Iranians, too. Iraqis? No, Iranians early on.
(49:21) Iranians, too. Well, they were bringing Republican Guard over, too, but this is Iranians now. But they were bringing, I know they were bringing Iranians. This was back in the 70s. And they were essentially bonding, and they would train. That was one of the places. It was kind of like the place, Lake Pontchartrain area, where lots of them did that, where they would bring these international visitors, military.
(49:54) And essentially, there was a... It was under the auspices of Carl Steiner. Who did Oklahoma City? Steiner and Joy. Was McVeigh actually executed or just put in a deep sleep and carried away? They say he was breathing after he was dead under the sheet. Well he was a special guy with Steiner and he had he was intelligent and uh... Was he a throwaway? You know they threw Oswald away but they didn't throw uh... what you know
(50:34) McVeigh? No, North. In other words it depended on who the person was and how special their special friend was. George's special general died I believe of natural causes. Your ex-husband's special general the man who took care of him? He died and he was an army general of course because George said that the old guard runs everything. Was there a purging in the military? Oh sure.
(51:13) I remember the one plane crash with about a dozen high-ranking officers. They murdered an Air Force guy who was going to be the chief of staff of the Air Force in ninety-six. They got rid of the chief CNO of the Navy. I mean ninety-six was a big purge year. That's Clinton. I'm not saying Clinton didn't do it. I'm saying that it occurred on his watch. There was so much murder during the Clinton tenure it bothers the mind. Yeah, absolutely. There was a lot. This is more than the Clinton death list, folks.
(51:52) This is within and without the military. But they went after Clinton. See, I was living with Sarah McClendon during a great amount of that time including his birthday and the plane that Clinton his birthday he was flying across the United States. He was supposed to be on a plane and that plane went down. And Clinton, somebody had told Clinton, I heard Sarah say she knew a lot of the scuttlebutt that was going on in the White House
(52:27) because we were going in and out of the White House at that time. And she knew about Linda Tripp and how, you know, the gal had been planted there because Michael Isikoff and the whole group knew about her a year ahead. There was a movie, Wag the Dog, that was done ahead of the Isikoff story. But the Isikoff story came out because if you remember Clinton welcomed what was the guy's name from Palestine but he wouldn't see Sharon.
(53:02) And immediately after that that's when the Tripp story came, I mean the Monica story came out. Monica was working for the Zionists. The Zionists did that. And there's been that tit-for-tat. Right, I understand. Stand by. You mentioned the movie Wag the Dog. Wow, that's looming more important than ever now as a template. Back in a minute. All right, we're back. Our final segment tonight is Kate Riggs. It's just a mind-bending, boggling
(54:06) litany of names and places and events that she is, from her experience, shedding new light on. We're falling into a reality here, Kate Riggs. It is so unsettling for many people. I'm not sure they can handle it, but that's the way it is. Let's spend our last few minutes talking about the Zionist neocons. Now, just for the record, for all of you out there, there are Jewish Zionists, there are Christian Zionists, there are atheist Zionists.
(54:37) We're talking about Zionism, which has, of course, co-opted Israel and pretty well taken control of much of this country's government. What do you know about Zionism, Wolfowitz, Perl, all the rest of them? And, you know, in six minutes or so, give us, if you can, a little sketch about the control that that group holds over this country. Well, it's pretty significant, and it goes back a long way. I don't know where you really want me to begin, whether it's
(55:09) Judah P. Benjamin or Uriah P. Levy, and what I believe is the murder of Thomas Jefferson and Adams. The Rothschild element that was involved with them. The Rothschilds, this does trace back to the Rothschilds of London. Friendships, and Paris. Because you see, the Marines in 1850 something or other, the Marines were, according to George, assassins, and they were paid for by a Masonic lodge in France. The money came to
(55:50) fund them and pay for them as sort of protectors of the ships that would go back and forth, you know, in the triangular trade, which were in the Mediterranean. That's how the Marines got their start on board of ships. Exactly, and the red stripes, George said, was blood, you know, and they always would run up to the top. Oh, he loved telling that story. So you had this German-trained major who was really a loser,
(56:26) but he was involved with the murder of John Brown, and he was he was not well-liked, not at all highly respected, because he was a coward. But he worked for this Belmont guy, and he was, remember, Robert E. Lee was involved, was supposed to go and stop the murder of John Brown. But this German guy who was a Marine major wound up, through Hooker Crook, being the quote-unquote commandant of the Marine Corps. His name was Jacob Zetlin.
(57:07) Zetlin? Yeah, I think it was Z-E-I-T-L-I-N. L-I-N, maybe. And he was a... you know, he wasn't an American guy. He'd been involved with helping Judah P. Benjamin in the South and stuff. Anyway, What a grasp of history you have. He actually, literally, changed the uniforms to be like the Germans, with the pit helmets and everything. The Rothschilds were funding all these medals and things, and they changed the logo
(57:44) from being a musical instrument to this global New World Order thing, and the motto was the Rothschild coat of arms, sic semper tyrannis. And this is a hundred years ago, or more. Exactly, I mean, you brought in the whole, you know, the globe, the German... All the symbols, I understand. And that wasn't what they were. In other words, it was to make them bigger and more important. Who killed Lincoln? It was done by a Southern Masonic
(58:23) group, which Judah P. Benjamin was involved with, and some of the Richmond Freemasons. And, you know, it was a small group, actually. Well, it doesn't take many if they're organized. The, uh... The issue... We have a minute left. The issue today of Zionism controlling this government is, I think, becoming more understood by many Americans. It is... It cannot be underestimated. Exactly. It's huge. And our ties to Zionist Israel,
(58:57) right back to London, uh... This is a big game, folks. Nothing happens by chance. There really are no accidents. Think of Paul Wellstone and his wife and the two pilots. That plane was taken down by some kind of electronic weapon, probably in a van on the ground, which follows all of its instruments. It went off course into the trees, knocked off both wings and fuel tanks, and yet the fuselage of that aircraft burned ferociously for hours,
(59:25) and there was no fuel there. So this was a carefully prepared... There were accelerants and excendiaries placed on board. John Kennedy, Jr., anything on that in our last minute? Yeah, I'm sure that was done, because he was getting ready to be the head of the JFK school, which is the most important at Harvard. And the guy there, there were two brothers who were columnist reporters, and they didn't want him there.
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