Sen. JD Vance | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #540

JD Vance is a United States Senator (R-OH) who is also running for Vice President on the Republican ticket alongside Donald Trump. Before his political career he was a lawyer and wrote the popular memoir “Hillbilly Elegy” in 2016.

Senator JD Vance joins Theo to talk about how life has changed for him since becoming Donald Trump’s running mate 3 months ago, how his family’s history with addiction shaped his career and beliefs, and the worst fights he’s seen at Ohio State vs. Michigan games.

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theo. comom are and thank you so much for the
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support I want to start by saying that uh we have reached out to uh Governor walls and vice president Harris and we
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would love to uh have them uh in studio as well uh today's guest is a senator
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from the state of Ohio he's currently on the Republican ticket for vice president
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uh he's a Yale graduate he's a Marine uh he's an author uh he wrote with the book
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hillbilly elegy uh I've read about half of it and uh I'm really grateful to
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spend time with him today to discuss some issues and get to know him today's guest is Mr JD
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Vance and I will find a song I will sing
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[Applause]
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but then it starts to become more interesting like the last woman we had on Like Trains cats around the country
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really with a traveling cat circus yeah so that's who you're following up you know just so that's way more interesting
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than a politician man it's just so you know where you are you know Mr Vance in
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the in the call me please call me JD please yeah just so you know where you are JD and the existence of things um JD
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Vance thanks for coming in today man yeah man it's good to be here I really appre appreciate it I just went to uh oh
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I just went to Lambo field the other day you ever been there uh I don't think I ever have been to Lambo field but I think I'm going to Lambo field tomorrow
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nuh-uh yeah yeah um I'm pretty sure I mean running for vice president you never know where you are dayto day but
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um I'm pretty sure we're going to the Packers game tomorrow wow dude it was so did you have fun it's amazing yeah um we
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we just went I had a show there the night uh on a Saturday night last Saturday so we just got to go do a tour
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okay but um it's just so wild you drive into this you know it's a small City
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yeah and you're like wait there's an NFL team here it doesn't Mak sense really
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yeah like the NFL team in some ways right I mean the Packers are so popular but no I'm looking forward to going I
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mean it's it's kind of like a political right of passage because like I have a guy serving with the Senate Ron Johnson
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really good dude he's a senator he's a senator fromc from Wisconsin and he's just talking about like you know you go
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to a you do the tail G thing at Lambo field if you're running for office in Wisconsin and Wisconsin's like a big
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Battleground state so I'm going to go and check it out uh we're bringing our kids with us actually which I don't know what we're going to do with our kids cuz
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they're 74 and two I don't think they're going to be that into a tailgate filling with cheese dude you know I'm saying so maybe yeah
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maybe my wife will take him somewhere and I'll go like have fun at the tailgate but I'm I'm looking forward to it cuz I'm a pretty big football fan
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Lambo field is like you know oh yeah when we saw ital oh I didn't know what to do when we saw it I didn't know yeah
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like and there was some kids were crying and stuff and the parents were like kind of wiping their cheeks with cheese or
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whatever but it was like um yeah it was really interesting but wait were they
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were crying because they were so excited to be at Lambo field they were crying man I I so are you are you a big
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football guy yeah okay so I'm a big college football guy yeah I'm I'm more of a college football guy but I I like
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both um so I'm an Ohio State guy went to Ohio State you know born and raised in Ohio um but you know there there's like
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the Ohio State Michigan rivalry is one of the big big rivalries and this happens of course after um after the
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election so I'm hoping to go to the game but you talk about like a kid crying at a football field this is this reminds me
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of a story is like one of my my dear friends and he's like otherwise a nice guy but Ohio State Michigan just turns
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into a he turns into a total animal so this is 2006 who is he the senator you're talking about no no no it's a
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totally different guy this a buddy I've known since I was like 5 years old okay just a guy back home we go to the Ohio State Michigan game game uh we're number
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one they're number two I think we win that game like 4239 it was very very tight game I don't remember the exact
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score and we're leaving and there's this family and this kid is like you know
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there it's a family of Michigan fans and this kid is crying and you know my buddy
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goes up to him and he you I'm like oh you know Bill's going to be like sweet to this family like welcome to Ohio glad you guys come to the game sorry it
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didn't work out and and my buddy goes I'm oh are you are you sad that Michigan lost and little boy goes yeah and he
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says well maybe next time you won't Ro for a team that sucks and walks and I was like oh Bill uh we
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should trying to be nicer to the newcomers but then like you realize
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that's is not a coner no no but that's why Ohio State and Michigan hate each
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other right CU that kid was probably 9 years old so this is 2006 I mean he's I don't know close to you 25 now he
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probably still remembers that from Ohio State when he was crying after
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a game and like that's what makes the Rival Tom Brady yeah exactly that's how
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it gets something oh dude I remember the craziest thing I ever saw was there was a a Mexican Father and Son balling
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crying when The Rock came back one night at WWE yeah standing there together same
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height that's a b balling crying dude and it was they both had belts on and it
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was like yeah yeah I mean those are it's like the little rituals that that
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actually make life worth it man but but definitely I mean like like like my son he's seven now but I took him to the
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Ohio State Michigan game I think the last no I took I took him to the game last year but then we you know we watch
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it even when he's like four years old and uh Michigan has beat Ohio State the last three years and so it's just like
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you know the first time I ever saw my kid cry over sports event was last year at the Ohio State Michigan game when
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they beat him when when when Michigan beat Ohio State yeah oh when you cry when your team wins that means something
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is probably you have parenting issues in your home I feel like you know that's right that's definitely right that's
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definitely right but I mean it it's it's like I mean Ohio State just lost to orgon a couple you know like a week ago
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I guess and you sort of realize like I get so much joy out of watching sports
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and like taking my son to the Ohio State mission games like one of the coolest Moments Of My Life as a father but then
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it almost always ends in heartbreak yeah right because only one team actually wins the championship and I I I
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sometimes wonder like why do we put ourselves through this it's so true that such that it is yeah at a certain point
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you're the odds are you're going to face not feeling great yeah Absol that it's going to end right yeah I mean like I I
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guess the one team in my lifetime like the Bulls in the 90s Chicago Bulls in
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the 90s and the Patriots when they had the Brady bichi run like most of the time you're actually happy if you're a
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fan of that team but I mean like I'm a Bengals fan um in in Pro Sports and like
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they made the Super Bowl a few years ago and it was so cool yeah I remember that against 49ers uh was it against the
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49ers it's funny I don't even remember who they were playing against but I remember they lost at the very end it was a very close game we almost put it
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off but then it's like all the joy turned into complete sadness like I'm
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I'm a grown man on the verge of tears because a sports team that I
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rooted for lost to game wake you know wake up man I think I I wonder what it is maybe it's just like sorry I have to
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not say the f word or no it's okay make sure people still vote for me if I too many F bombs I'm going to lose too many
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votes so I'll try to tone it down okay yeah if you say more than seven or eight
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I'll tap you on the shoulder thank you appreciate it dude oh I well actually my ribs dude I've been on a um like almost
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like just on bed rest the past like eight days because I I was at the Vanderbilt game when they beat Alabama
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um two weeks ago that was a big one and some guy I don't even know him I got a
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little bit of a look at him and he squeezed me so hard he kept squeezing me
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and I was like don't squeeze me anymore and then he squeezed me even more was was a happy squeeze or you
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could hear my ribs like dude they really like the oxygen leaving your lungs yeah
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please don't go that's on bit I love you ribs that had never been away from me like they were leaving home for the
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first time wait but was he squeezing you cuz he was happy he was happy okay so this wasn't like a so I was smiling dude
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my smile hit I mean the more he squeezed my the edges of my smile you could hear him ding against my ear loses yeah he
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squeezed me as much as somebody could be squeezed his wife is not doing well if that guy has a wife I'll tell you that
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because that anyway my ribs I've been having to ice him dude it's been really like actually cracked a rib I mean it's
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so it sucks but it was awesome but it's like yeah the you go through to be associated with it you know I mean look
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my my so um like I I've only been to the game in ant Arbor once and uh you know
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Ohio State fans again oh is it we going up in that territory people throwing beer bottles at us sometimes full beer
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cans at us I had some kid run up he was like a 19-year-old kid run up from
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behind me and it had been raining a lot that day and he had like M like he' taken a chunk of mud out of the ground
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and shoved it in my mouth I mean this again this is like what these Sports rivalries are built around is is moments
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like this but uh we we we had I guess won four years in a row reforestation
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isn't it that's right but man we we'd won four years in a row and uh this this girl she's like
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you know 22 years old she gets in my buddy's face and she said this is my senior year you ruined my college career
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because you guys beat us four years in a row and then she takes a swing at us and a cop tackles this 22-year-old girl
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down the bleachers and I'm just you know like man again yeah people can injured
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people get injured at sporting events it's crazy oh yeah I thought for a second I thought you were describing a wedding in Appalachia dude that's what I
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thought for a second we've had we've had we've had we've had some of those too yeah I'm just joking I'm just joking um
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we had Billy strings in he's a guy who does a lot of uh picking he does like a lot of guitar picking and stuff he
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talked a lot about um his environment where he grew up he grew up in like his area had a lot of addiction in it and
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stuff like that what part of West Virginia is he from um oh who's this guy he's from laning but he grew up he grew
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up in Kentucky I'm ruining well but a lot of people this is like the story of my life but a lot of people from Michigan Ohio Pennsylvania their
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families are all from West Virginia East Kentucky East Tennessee and then they moved up for the factory jobs oh yeah
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like there's a really cool song by Dwight Yoko called a reading right in Route 23 and it's like in some ways it's
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like the story of my family because he came from like two counties over he moved to Central Ohio instead of
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Southern Ohio but um I mean it's like millions of people was a massive massive thing so I wouldn't be surprised even
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that guy's from Michigan if he's got like West Virginia family I don't know that guy though yeah Billy strings he's great he's and he's a guy too and he'll
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take you fishing if you want to go but he um he uh just has a fascinating story of just like growing up and what his
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life was like um and playing music through it all and learning music and um how that kind of kept him going and kept
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him um gave him something to do really um yeah why was that migration why did people migrate from there to um yeah it
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was it was I mean at least the the biggest thing is you think about it so World War II ends right America's the
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biggest industrial power in the world and a lot of these factories are coming online close to where they had you know
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access to waterways cuz you got to ship iron ore and coal and all that stuff so a lot of stuffff around the Great Lakes
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that's Michigan Ohio um you a lot of coal in Pennsylvania and so you had all
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these steel mills and you know textile factories and you know like automobile
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plants of course in Michigan and all the stuff is getting built and then it's actually what's interesting about it is
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you had a lot of black people come from the deep south and then a lot of primarily white people coming from
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Appalachia and they sort of M migrated together to all these factories and like you know there are books
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written in Detroit about you know the you've got like basically the
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hillbillies from Appalachia the black people from the deep south and they're just kind of like tossed in to Detroit
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and like a lot of what we think of as sort of modern Detroit culture is like the fusion of those two groups of people
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who just dropped in in massive massive numbers and uh you it's like one of the stories of like why is Chicago such a
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big Blues Town cuz all the black folks from the Deep South were moving in and they were you know bringing their music
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with them that's why Chicago became such a capital for blues is it's not really like it's because all those folks who
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came from the Delta um so it's it's it's but basically jobs man I mean there wasn't my my m talked about this that's
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when I called my grandmother she talked a lot about how you know if you were growing up in Eastern Kentucky in the
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30s and 40s it was like basically you could go work in the mines or get out like that was all there was at that time
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wow and so my grandfather went and worked at the steel mill you know built a built a pretty good life was a union
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welder for 40 years and then uh oh yeah we just had a union president on oh yeah
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I listen to that one I like that guy Sean he's wild yeah he is wild he's I mean it's funny man you can tell he's
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from Boston he's got that thick Boston accent but he's a he's a he's a cool
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dude um I actually I've talked to Sean a couple times and you know it's like normally and you know it's like normally
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Democrats are considered sort of the pro-union and then you know 30 years ago Republicans were the anti-union and you
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know one of the things I've been I've been talking a lot about people like Sean is you know a lot of union members
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are coming over to the Republican side and I think the Republican party we got to do you know frankly a better job at
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kind of welcoming people but um I think Trump is doing a really good job at making Union voters feel at home in our
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Coalition which is like an interesting part of what you know what we're all about I mean I think you so Sean's the head of the teamsters I think yeah and
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there was some poll they did just of teamsters members where it's like 65% of teamsters in Pennsylvania are going to
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vote for Trump that's a crazy turnaround from even 15 years ago yeah they couldn't endorse usually they there's
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only been two times where they haven't endorsed a candidate in the past 30 years I think or maybe past 50 years
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yeah but um but this would be one of those times they said I think because it's just it's too split yeah um so do
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you have to ask Trump places you can go to promote or to um campaign what does
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that relation how does that work yeah no it's it's it's actually mostly driven at like the staff level right and so a
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strategy kind of yeah it's like strategy so so okay there are seven big Battleground States it's uh the three in
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the midwest or Michigan Wisconsin Pennsylvania and then Georgia Arizona Nevada and North Carolina and so it's
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like you look at a little bit it's driven by polling a little bit driven on just like where do you think this guy is
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going to do the best and I've spent a ton of my time like I think I did like six or five five or six events just in
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Pennsylvania the past week and a half wow so I've spent a lot of time Pennsylvania a lot of time Michigan a lot of time in uh in Wisconsin I'm
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actually trying to get Kid Rock to go with me to Michigan in a couple days cuz he's a Michigan guy oh he'll go yeah he
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probably will yeah he'll go dude he he's he yeah he he texted me last night I
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mean you know you can't see but my my cousin for those of you who are watching my cousin's here she's more like my big
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sister um but like we're we're hanging out I went to a wedding last night oh nice and my my my little cousin got
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married and um Kid Rock sends me a text message he's like hey if you're in Nashville because I think he I guess he
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knew I was doing this podcast well some people were going over there buddy of M I was texting he's like hey we're going over to Bob's and I was like I gotta
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prepare for this podcast tomorrow Vance is coming on yeah maybe that's how he
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knew cuz he texted me and I was like oh man I want to fly to Nashville right now just so I can party with Kid Rock right
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I mean like that's a that's a that's an experience of a lifetime um so so now I'm trying to get him to go to go to
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Michigan with me but oh I'm sure he probably would man oh yeah dude he's if uh he he's one of a kind man yeah but
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anyway answer your question it's basically you go where the campaign needs you to go right and and like yeah
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I could say no but I'm like running for vice president so I try to do as much as I can just to be helpful and do y'all
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have do you go with Donald Trump do you guys go separately a lot of times do you guys have like strategy talks in the
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mornings and stuff like is it what is it like yeah it's it's more inform is like doubles tennis kind
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of it's more divide and conquer right so it's like you got two people and you can
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be in two places so you might as well do it but if we got like a really big event like you know the president got shot in
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in Bucks County or sorry which time are you talking about the first time okay the first time they really um he got
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shot in um in in Pennsylvania and so we went out to Pennsylvania together to do
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a big rally and then Elon El there in but Butler PA yes in Butler Pennsylvania
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um and then you know like I was in Bucks County Pennsylvania like a week earlier but that was just me right right so you
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sort of go you know some places you go together but most of the time we're sort of dividing and conquering how um with
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the attempts that they've had on Trump's on Trump's life and safety how much of a
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concern has that been for you like it's like because if I'm standing next to a guy and they're shooting at him I'm next
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to him yeah you know yeah I know what you mean I mean I try not to think about it man cuz really yeah it's it's just
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it's of these things you can't control and if you're going to do this job like you got to go out and talk to a lot of
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people and you got to tr go try to win right I mean like I fundamentally believe that we're trying to win to help the country so either you you know you
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either do it or you don't do it and if you do it you just kind of kind of accept it I mean I I don't think there's
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I don't know maybe I'm just this is just me rationalizing it I don't feel like there's that big of a Target on my back but who the hell knows well you're tall
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you might are you a little taller than him or not I think we're about the same height okay yeah which is funny man the weird people say about you on the
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internet like the thing there was a long time maybe even still today if you Google how tall is JD Vance it would say
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5'7 and I oh it says 62 now somebody updated it yeah somebody updated it yeah
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um okay the first headline is JD Vance is tall but Americans are getting shorter what the hell is the internet's
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a weird ass It also says Joe Biden is 6 foot sleep I don't know if that's a height
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well see this is a thing though how tall is JD Vance we found there was like a conspiracy on the internet that I was a really short guy guy but yeah no I'm I'm
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about 6'2 I think yeah once you get better people helping you get you hype you get you get you're pretty tall
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you're I'm six feet tall yeah I'm six feet tall if this rib gets back in place I'm six foot and a half inch brother
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I'll tell you that um so there's did you have to ask your wife about that like say hey like did she have to weigh in
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because that's a little because I'm trying to think of other jobs where you get shot at really
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military um domestic VI vience I guess and then politician politician I mean
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normally politicians don't get shot at that much but apparently apparently it's coming back man that's not that's not
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like a good thing to come back to you know what I mean yeah but I also I mean it's it's I definitely grew up um like
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and I grew up in Ohio but I spent a lot of time in E Kentucky yeah and if you go to like there's a courthouse in bre County Kentucky I mean beautiful part of
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the country like kind of in the mountains and there's like a plaque like a historical plaque that's basically like you know on this site multiple
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people were killed in the breath it County blood feuds of the early you know the early 20th century so I don't know
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you just kind of kind of accept it um as as as bad as it is I mean I want us to get away from it right as a country but
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as a individual candidate I think you just have to kind of accept it I mean I'll tell you um but I guess if you're going into battle you're going into
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battle that's right that's right you just got to do what you got to do yeah um but again you know like I'm I'm a I'm
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a person of faith I don't talk about it that that much I don't wear it on my sleeve I always sort of mistrust people who wear it too much on their sleeve but
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feel like you know if God wants me to beew be vice president I'll be vice president if if not then I won't yeah
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you know you just got to work your ass off and let the chips fall where they may yeah I saw I saw where you had your
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mom was out and you congratulated her on she almost has 10 years of sobriety you said that's right yeah she's uh in
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January January of 2025 she will be 10 years clean and sober and that's really funny cuz you know she's standing next
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to there uh That's Mike Johnson the speaker of the house oh yeah and like my family is not very political so they
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bring her up to this booth and like two chairs over is Donald Trump of course she knows who that is but she shakes
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Mike Johnson's hand and uh he's like you know lovely to meet you and she says lovely to meet you too who are you do
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you work in politics like Mom that's the speaker of
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the house okay she's like well I'll take a uh I'll take a
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McDouble um a Diet Coke with witht
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eyes what was uh yeah I know your mom's your Mom struggle with alcoholism right
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um add Mo mostly yeah mostly non-alcohol drugs I never saw her you know drink that much but I mean you know pills
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opioids heroin um what's it been like to watch her get sober what's that been like it's amazing man it's it's amazing
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I know you're you're what what are you your your recovery I'm recovery yeah a lot of my family's in it too so I think
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yeah I can I can relate a lot to your story to be honest with you yeah but I mean mean look I mean there was a time
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like I always you know always wanted to grow up and have a family and I I remember when I was a teenager thinking to myself there's no way Mom's going to
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be around to meet like if I have kids there's no way my mom's ever going to meet him and um you know she's now like
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she's now a great grandmother to to the three grandkids but I don't know man it's it's just if if you've known
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anybody in this circumstance it sounds like you know very well what it's like is there's like this there's two feelings that you have or at least
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always two feelings I had when mom was going through it is like on the one hand yeah she's so smart she's so funny and
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you're just like kind of rooting for her because you just want her to get better then on the other hand you're just pissed off it's like you know because
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you don't quite understand it I think if you're not in recovery yourself it's hard to fully understand and um you know
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see that you'd be frustrated with her one moment and then just desperate for her to get better the next moment you're constantly bouncing back and forth but
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man it's it's amazing it really is I mean she you know she was at the wedding we were at last night and uh just having
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a good time and being her like funny quirky self she has a good sense of humor she's a very good sense of humor
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um I mean you know like the the bride and groom this really cool tradition where they had like at each table a wine
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bottle with a number on it and then like at the table one they'd open the that bottle of wine their first anniversary
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and table two the second anniversary and so forth and they had people write stuff in Sharpies on the wine bottle I'd never
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seen that I thought it was a pretty cool uh little thing um and my mom I forget what table she was in but you know like
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10 years down the road and she just she writes something on on the her bottle like like hey I love you hopefully I'm
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still alive when you're drinking this she's just got like again like a
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kind of a morbid quirky sense of humor um but yeah man it's it's it's really amazing because I again I I just never I
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never thought she'd be alive when I was 40 years old yeah and she is and she's got a good relationship with her family
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and her grandparents or her grand kids and that's just a very cool thing yeah
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it's a blessing man that's awesome to see it was really cool to see that um did you ever go to meetings with her did
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she go to you have been before yeah I've been to a lot of NA meetings um when you were growing up did you ever go or no
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yeah I went when I was a kid um I went I went when I was a teenager I mean I've been to a lot actually just in the past
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few years cuz she you now that she's like you know she feels like she's really on the other side of it she does
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a lot with her local La I think she's the treasurer the Secretary of her local La chapter and um I don't do you ever go
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to meetings or anything oh yeah I went to one I went to one I was at one last sign at eight okay I mean there there's
25:05
a there's actually a really special Community around it which I really like and it almost kind of reminds me of
25:11
church right% where you you know you say you say these prayers and and you talk about what's going on and there's like
25:17
this sense of fellowship and community that I think is is really is really awesome and you know it's it's it's like
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one of these things where you see just human nature nature and all of its good sides and its bad
25:31
sides right cuz sometimes you have people who come in and they're getting their 24-hour Medallion yeah right which
25:37
is like this is the first real period of sobriety I've had in a very long time and then sometimes you have people are
25:42
you know celebrating 15 20 25 years and uh it's it's just amazing to see but I
25:48
don't know if you noticed this but something I noticed and it's you know it's not to get too political here but
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you know like five six seven years ago
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you know you start noticing this and then it really started picking up a few years ago where you you have somebody
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who's been say 6 months or nine months sober and then they don't come to a couple meetings and then they're just
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dead and you realize like when people relapsed when Mom was in the worst of it
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yeah there was some dangerous out there but it wasn't nearly as deadly as the stuff that's out there today oh yeah
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and I I really worry about that right cuz you know think about the second chance I got with my mom and I really
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worry that the the poison that we've got in the streets now is so dangerous that
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a lot of people would have that second chance but you know you fall off the wagon once 15 years ago it's like oh
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that sucks I'm going to climb back on today you fall off that wagon it might it might kill you yeah and I really
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worry about that cuz I think a lot of a lot of good people you know like Mom it didn't happen like once right it's not
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like she got clean and sober and that was it right it's a process fall off a few times yeah you get back on it's a process man yeah I've had relapses over
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the years and had to get back on and it's it's tough and one of the tougher things to do is to get back on but it's
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funny because I think if I if I don't know if I'd be sober if
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the stuff weren't killing people to be honest with you I know that's sad to say but that keeps me out of the risk of it
27:19
you know it just makes it too makes it a little scarier yeah that's the thing it makes it scarier but it's also sad that
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somebody I mean this is ridiculous to say probably that somebody can't you know you can't even do cocaine
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in this country anymore you know and that seems like a crazy thing to say and don't say that don't say that
27:40
I but I said it but but yeah but don't say that anymore I'm gonna steal that line after the election though and I no
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no we got to win first it's unfortunate to be clear to those watching I've never done cocaine before
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yeah and nobody made many mistakes but not that one nobody saying yeah but it's just it's unfortunate that's that it's
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un I don't even know where to I know you it's it's unfortunate that like look like everybody makes mistakes right
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everybody makes mistakes right and like I I I know there a buddy of mine told me about this um this is hell this has got
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have been three years ago um it's been a while but B basically what happened is
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his daughter was like a bridesmaid in a wedding and they were going to this wedding and like the wedding got
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cancelled because a couple of the groomsmen like had terrible overdoses the night before at the bachelor party
28:38
because they took some I mean like you know you can judge and say oh they shouldn't have been taken something but everybody takes something at some point
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in their lives like we don't want it to kill people we don't want stupid mistakes to kill people that's that's sort of like live and learn live and
28:50
learn from stupid mistakes right you used to be able to live and learn yes now it becomes a death sentence and that's what's really I think changed
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about from now now to when my uh my mom was struggling with addiction why why is
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it so bad like what do you know a lot about the fentanyl crisis I mean I know a fair amount about it you know I've
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I've I've worried about it uh for a long time I've I've you know worked on bills related to it I mean there there are two
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basic issues right and it's it's like you know any business there's a manufacturer there's a wholesaler and
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then there's the retail right and you know with with Fint andol it's it's not
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you can't like make Fint in a trailer in somebody's basement or that's like it's not like meth it it takes a really
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complicated pretty sophisticated pharmaceutical process so we know that a lot of it maybe even most of it the Chinese are making meaning Chinese
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companies not like necessarily the Chinese government but they sure as hell know about it and then they bring it in
29:45
primarily through the southern border and the Mexican drug cartels are like
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the wholesalers right of the Chinese Pharm farmas the manufacturer the drug
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cartels are bringing in whol sale style and then it makes it in the street level wow and um I mean it's really crazy man
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like I I was talking to a DA agent about this a couple years ago and I think this was in this was in 2022 he was he was
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like look a few years ago the cartels were making less than a billion dollars a year and he's like in 2223 we think
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they'll make $14 billion a year so like an explosion of drug trafficking in this
30:23
country and yeah you you hear about stories and I don't think it happens that much thank God but somebody smokes
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a joint it's lace with fentol they go into a coma yeah I mean I have seven friends that that um I have seven
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friends and not even just like estranged people you know like but not all best friends
30:41
sure but I have seven friends at um that overdose and died from uh fentanyl yeah
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yeah that's me right and it yeah and it H with harder stuff it happens a lot like I think with you know you hear
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about it being laced in marijuana but like not that much but I mean you you're point about cocaine pills like you have
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to be careful seriously it's a huge thing an unbelievable crisis and it's like yeah you'd think that we'd I I
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don't know how you fight something like that maybe we need to have like a like a head of like the DEA or something on
31:14
maybe he would be able to help or or she would be able to help us figure that out a little bit more I think it'd be that'd be a very interesting conversation but I
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think I think you've got a I think you got to go go to it at the heart and something you know Trump did towards the
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end of his administration doesn't get a a lot of headlines obviously I'm biased I think it should get headlines is he
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was using economic leverage to try to convince the Chinese to crack down on fentol manufacturing because if you get
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talking about some very dark and dangerous people like this is not some guy who's like dealing you know selling
36:08
joints on a college campus these are like they're doing sex trafficking they're they're they're they're they're
36:14
getting 11 10-year-old girls involved in the sex trade very evil people dictator
36:19
type of like oh just absolutely vile and it's it's like why why are we making it
36:25
easier for these this like massive Criminal um organizations to get richer and
36:30
richer and richer like we should be trying to make them poor and I mean you know help help people actually need it
36:37
well it's also it's obviously one of the biggest enemies that's right it's like if there were an enemy that we
36:44
killing if somebody if there were somebody shooting in your country every day and killing people yeah at a certain
36:50
point you go over there or you send your military there or do something to say hey you're not going to be we're not
36:57
going to let do this anymore that's basically what's happening that's right I mean can you can you imagine if if if
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Mexico sent gunmen across the border and killed 70,000 Americans a year because
37:08
that's about what dies from fit andol we would be in a major war right you know we we just absolutely would be the case
37:15
so the other thing that's crazy about this is so these cartels and you see this graphic UPS pretty pretty interesting there but the cartels are
37:22
going to start to destabilize the country of Mexico like do do you know um
37:28
do you know name Pablo Escobar yeah I do okay so like the the the Colombian cartels in the 70s were as powerful as
37:35
like the Colombian government right it was it was a narco State you don't want that to happen at like right at the American southern border where the drug
37:42
cartels have more power than the Mexican Government that's just going to be chaotic it's going to be basically a warlike atmosphere on our Southern
37:49
border that's bad news well it's bad news but it'd be great to figure out a way that to to shut it down I mean it
37:55
just feels like yeah if that many people are dying each year if if it were actual people shooting at these people we would
38:01
send people there in a heartbeat right I mean and I and I think that's what we have to I think not that we have to send people to to Mexico but I think that we
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actually have to have a military response at the southern border 100% because these are such vicious people
38:15
and I think local law enforcement they're telling us they're overwhelmed by some of these guys and we've got to
38:20
be willing to send our our best people our best fighters to get control of the Southern border I think that's the most
38:26
important issue confronting the country because look I mean how do you even measure the human cost of 70,000 people
38:34
many of them in the prime of their life and the ripple effect of it too in their families the orphans the parents that
38:40
are heartbroken I mean how many kids are like this my story right that's why my grandmother raised me is because my mom
38:46
struggled with addiction luckily my mom got clean you've got hundreds of thousands of children who are being raised by their grandparents or their
38:52
aunts and uncles like that is an unspeakable human tragedy man when we we
38:58
could do so much better and we're failing right now and uh that's you know one one of the reasons why I'm here one of the reasons why I'm running yeah um
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what what what was it like growing up like with an alcoholic mother like and no judgment against your mother this is just to look at it right I sure I
39:14
appreciate that yeah what um what is that like like is it hard to make a connection with your mom like what are
39:20
some of the side effects of that uh on a child yeah I mean I definitely think there's a
39:26
um you get very careful about who you lie yourself to get close to right that's that's one big part of it you're
39:32
never quite sure whether you can trust the particular situation that you're in right so am I still going to be living
39:38
in this house 3 months from now if I have somebody if I give somebody my address because this is back in the 90s right people still wrote letters
39:44
postcards things like that at least a lot more than they do today if I give somebody my address are they going to
39:49
send me a letter and I'm not even to live in this place anymore because we you we moved around a fair amount right
39:55
but I I I think I I I think that you know the the thing that it I took away from it is I very
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even as a young kid I sort of very neatly divided the world into like three categories of people right there were
40:09
the helpless people the victims the people who needed to be helped there were the bad guys who were praying on
40:15
the victims and then there were the the strong people who sort of stood up uh for for everybody else and stood up to
40:21
the bad guys that's like you know that's overly simplistic um but definitely you know I
40:28
I saw my mom growing up very much as this person who was who was kind of a
40:33
victim and was being prayed on by by bad people right and then the person who was
40:39
sort of looking up for us and standing up for me especially was my grandmother and uh I think that that that attitude
40:45
of you know some people are just not as strong as we wish them to be and bad
40:52
people are going to pray on them but it's kind of up to you know try to make yourself the person who can look out for
40:59
people who can protect people and that's always what I wanted to be that's one thing I I think I took from it um were
41:04
you able to be that for your mom did you feel like you know not always certainly I mean when I was a it's a lot of
41:09
responsibility for a kid I was when I was a teenager man I I was definitely very very selfish I think I got pretty resentful just the situations like oh
41:16
other people have more money than I do other people have more stability than I do you know other people you know they
41:21
they've got nice cars we don't have that so there's there's definitely like there's definitely like a resentment that comes from
41:28
I think but um you know I left High School enlisted in the Marine Corps uh
41:33
spent four years in the Marine Corps and I think that what you know that really did for me was just like gave me a cool
41:40
perspective and I probably went into the Marine cor I was pretty whiny pretty resentful kid was pissed off at my mom
41:46
was pissed off at all these other people cuz I didn't have the things that I thought I should have and then eventually yeah there's me when I was
41:52
much much skinnier much better looking oh yeah the Marines dud that was the original o
41:57
that's that's right that's bro zic D that is good that
42:03
is good Marine's the original zic I'm going to steal that one um but but man
42:09
yeah I I know I say this all the time dude if I went back to boot camp for two months boot Camp's three months if I went back to boot camp for two months
42:14
I'd come out with a six-pack yeah um but but you know I've anyway so Seer fat
42:23
dude sorry that was stupid and I don't even know if I if you can even joke simy and I'm no offense to any Marines not at
42:29
all no I'm I'm sure no Marines took offense to yeah I've been we've done a lot of shows on military bases and stuff
42:35
and yeah yeah it's usually the arm is just waiting for the Marines to get there to tell them what to do usually
42:41
right that's right I know the chain of command man but yeah anyway so we we uh we we had a we yeah I I think that the
42:49
way that I noticed it I mean not to get you know too personal but like when I so I met my wife in law school and it was
42:56
like you know I dated girls in the past but for her it was like oh my God this
43:02
is I'm in love with this girl right like I known her for a week and I was like I want to marry this girl yeah and um
43:09
there was definitely just an element of like it took a long time for me to get to a place where I was like oh I can
43:16
actually trust this person I actually rely on this person because that's not really the experience that I had grown up is the people you trusted on trusted
43:23
the people you relied on they would just kind of disappear sometimes through no fault of their own but sometimes they would just disappear and so you know I
43:31
don't know you say have attachment issues and that's that's something that definitely I think comes from growing up
43:37
in a pretty tough pretty chaotic environment but you know the other thing the flip side of it is again this is
43:43
this is why I talk about the Marine Corps is you after four years of the Marine Corps you know like like one of the best Marines maybe the best Marine
43:50
that I served with is this kid who grew up he was a Puerto Rican guy from the Bronx was a drug dealer was did he wear
43:57
jewelry um I mean not with uniform right cuz that's yeah maybe he did but by the
44:02
time he you know by the time I met him as a marine he did but but he was like
44:07
he had had a much harder life than I had and there was no there was no complaining no whining he was just doing
44:14
his job and he was a good dude and you meet a lot of people like that and you start to realize like in some ways you
44:21
know not having everything handed to you is actually a blessing right and and and growing up in a tough circumstance and being able to understand and that not
44:28
everybody's always had it easy I used to be annoyed by that kind of complaining
44:33
about it now I sort of see it as like a good thing right cuz I I think I have a different perspective than than a lot of
44:40
people I spend my life around where you know they they they they were born to a rich family they went to a private school then they you know everything was
44:46
kind of laid out for them it's kind of good to not have everything laid out for you because you have to work for it a little bit more yeah that was going to
44:52
be my next my my followup question that was just like yeah what are the what are the positives like and also so we don't
44:57
get stuck in like you know um just in like a Debbie Downer spiral kind of you
45:04
know cuz it's okay to talk about stuff but sometimes you know it's like things can get kind of like where you're just looking at the negative things but
45:10
there's usually something positive in everything exactly right and um yeah that's what I was thinking what were some of the positives of um of having a
45:18
childhood like that and of being um yeah and I guess it would be some self-reliance I think I think it's
45:23
definitely some self-reliance um awareness probably which is probably a curse when you're young cuz it feels
45:29
like you have to be kind of scared of stuff but or but when you get older being having awareness can be pretty
45:34
helpful sometimes yeah I've got my head on a swivel right I'm always looking around corners I'm always you know kind of worried that things that aren't
45:41
exactly what they seem but I think that's made me a little less comfortable which is a good thing especially in the
45:47
in the political life that I live these days yeah it's good to have your head on a swivel hey
45:52
now you know what I'm saying you're like yeah everybody has everybody in politics has device that's much worse than
45:58
alcoholism is is the way that I put it um but we we um release the
46:05
list seriously we need to release the F scene list that that is an important thing um we can go down that that rabbit
46:11
hole but anyway I I I guess the other thing that I I gain from it is you
46:18
know I I think that I'm just much I see people as people and one thing I've
46:26
picked up up on like I went to law school at Yale and and a lot of them a lot of my classmates are good people but
46:31
you're a lawyer also yeah but I sort of as soon as I went went from law school I went to the business world so I never really practiced law I was mostly a
46:38
business guy um but like a lot of my friends they they look at people as like
46:43
where did you go to school what do your parents do you know what job do you have what credential do you have I've never
46:50
had that right and so when people like talk about politics or policy and be like oh well this person has a PhD I
46:57
don't give a that may they may be smart but I don't care about is only three doesn't even spell anything yeah
47:03
exactly I don't even but I don't care about the letters um but I but like I
47:09
meet somebody and oh they don't have a fancy degree or they don't have a fancy job I I still just naturally care about
47:15
what they think because the way that I grew up I just sort of see people as people and I think that's a that's just a very it's a perspective that I'm glad
47:22
that I have I think it's very much a product of how I grew up yeah I like people that have their own thing I I I
47:29
have like I don't like I don't I don't dislike somebody if they inherited
47:34
everything yeah but I li I gravitate more towards people that that haven't
47:42
had that experience I think because um yeah I don't know there's
47:47
just something a little bit more admirable about it I don't like it when PE things were handed to people I guess maybe real the truth is I got upset when
47:54
other people had stuff that was handed to them which probably was just normal stuff to be handed to a kid or to a to
48:02
you know but that made me like oh screw that you know I'll figure this out you know what I'm saying them or
48:08
whatever you know what I'm saying I'll you know I have that exact attitude when I was like 13 14 yeah yeah and some of
48:15
that is it's just that Rebellion at that age um what would you say and we have a lot of uh audience members that uh have
48:22
struggled with addiction or who or and these days everybody's you can't even
48:28
like who doesn't have somebody that's in their family or something that struggle with addiction but what what suggestion
48:34
or like just advice or thoughts would you give to um a young person who has a
48:41
parent who's uh who has alcoholism as to how to navigate that because I even get
48:47
messages a lot from people um that are like hey my dad is struggling or this what do I do I don't know what to do
48:53
here you know um do you have any thoughts on that and it's not like you're a specialist yeah yeah I'm not
48:59
I'm not a specialist um I mean here here's here's what I try to do I mean take this for you know for what it's
49:06
worth but number one is you you got to if you're a kid in
49:12
your environment where there's a lot of addiction you got to make sure that you're taken care of right like don't
49:19
don't get yourself in such a situation where it's not just your parent that is struggling but it becomes you that's struggling too right because you can't
49:26
help them out you can't help them out unless you're able to take care of yourself first right right that's that's
49:31
number one I think number two is as hard as it is man and I know this very
49:37
well cuz there were times when I had some very angry moments with my mom
49:42
don't get resentful and try to keep your heart as open as possible right you got to compartmentalize a little bit right
49:48
there's yeah there's the addict version but then there's the version that you know that read you a book when you were
49:53
a kid or there's the version that took you to you know your favorite movie or you try try to hold on to the memories
50:00
that are completely divorced from the addiction because I think if you allow yourself to become totally resentful
50:06
then it doesn't just affect them it starts to affect you too right um don't don't allow your parents addiction to
50:12
become something that destroys your life too in other words is is youve got to kind of you got to kind of keep your soul intact here um I mean I ju Just
50:22
practically go to those NA meetings I I learned more about Mom and her addiction going to those NA meetings and I didn't
50:29
always you know it's not like it was like some Eureka moment oh there's you know I'm not pissed off at you anymore
50:34
right but you at least understand it a little bit more and you gain some appreciation for what's going on in their life because that's a that's a big
50:40
part of it yeah and you also thing about na meanings is is just again it is human
50:46
nature and all of its Splendor its virtue and its Vice man it's some a boat
50:52
the last one I went to some dude selling a boat at one of them exactly like you can't dud we're trying to get
50:58
off of drugs dude and yeah and some guy started bidding on the boat I'm like and they had made him take it outside yeah
51:04
because it's outside issues or whatever but it was like what is even happening here dude I was in Ana meeting some guy
51:10
had a fish hook stuck in his freaking cheek dude really yeah wow wow man he
51:17
but he had two weeks clean yeah he'd either had a really bad night or really good night both Jesus yeah what happen God
51:28
dang it's just like all right dude Catch and Release brother Catch and Release he
51:34
probably tried to come across the border oh we and I only say that cuz we had a
51:40
couple border patrol agents on here and so we've learned a good bit about it over the years no I had man I had a border patrol agent who's he's clearly
51:47
before you go but I just that that that statement about trying not to be resentful against
51:53
your parent because yeah once you that resentment is seed that can lead you
51:58
down some of this or activate some of the same behaviors in you it's not and I'm not preaching that but it can
52:06
activate a lot of uh resentment is just it's an evil seed no that's right so so many bad things can happen there because
52:12
it's just that's an important message I never thought of that or heard it before well and and what you said earlier about not getting into a negative spiral I
52:18
think is is really important just just psychologically I me look man I know you had a a tough life in a lot of ways um
52:25
there are certainly some moments in my life that were pretty tough but I've never again I'm not an expert I've you
52:32
know I've read some books on this stuff this is not JD Vance's expert opinion this is just a guy talking is I really
52:39
worry that a lot of the mental health stuff in 2024 is about like focusing so much on
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what's bad in your life that you end up wallowing in it and it becomes a sort of self-reinforcing spiral like there's
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only so much can I mean if bad has happened to you there's only so much you can do to think about it and process it
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and you know sometimes bad happens because it just happens right there's no like rationalizing there's no like
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thinking through it and and and you know what I what I've always found like is is most helpful is getting outside and
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going for a walk like that made me feel way better than trying to understand why
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did Mom do this thing when she was 13 or when I was 13 years old and she was you know I guess 39 uh 30 36 she would have
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been when I was 13 but like why why right still harping on it yeah I got to
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go for some walks then I mean I go for them but still sometimes you got some ghosts man but and I got ghosts too man
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but but the longer you sit there and look for ghosts all you it's still ghost still a ghost it's almost like you find
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more ghosts and you keep on finding them and then it's like all right man I just I need to go like hang out with my
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buddies go for a walk and have a drink well you know not if you're uh dealing with addiction but um like have a drink
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of coffee just like go you know go hang out because I really worry that like the
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constant wallowing is bad for us yeah we've gotten into this definitely into a constant into a heavy self-help type of
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vibe you know like every book is a self-help book because self-help is great but also you're saying the the
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other side of that is you're saying that something's wrong with me right um and so if you're always looking for ways to
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improve yourself which it can be positive to do that yeah I've noticed in my own life it's also a way where you're
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also kind of saying there's always something wrong with you that's interesting so I'm in the same way that I'm oh I'm always trying to get
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better it's like I'm there I've obviously created then I'm I'm I'm
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there's something unachievable yeah because I'm always trying to get better it's I've set this impossible course so
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really I'm part of me is telling me Oh there's something wrong with you so it becomes a little bit more about finding ways to accept myself you know yeah you
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got to balance it right you got to balance like obviously there's all things we can work on but you know it can become a self-defeating cycle if
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people love it and I try to I try to just balance it I mean you know like I I
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um like abo