Tucker & Charlie Spiering React to the Al Smith Dinner, & Why Democrats Are Turning against Kamala

You think you dislike Kamala Harris? Not half as much as her fellow Democrats do. Charlie Spiering wrote the book on it.
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Reacting to the Al Smith Dinner
00:01:44
1. Reacting to the Al Smith Dinner
Kamala’s Time in Canada, Her “Second Mother,” and Hinduism
00:04:48
2. Kamala’s Time in Canada, Her “Second Mother,” and Hinduism
Kamala’s Weaponization of the Me Too Movement
00:12:51
3. Kamala’s Weaponization of the Me Too Movement
Kamala’s Father Denouncing Her
00:45:50
4. Kamala’s Father Denouncing Her
Kamala Is a Tool for the Rich
00:50:47
5. Kamala Is a Tool for the Rich
Joe Biden Did Not Want Kamala to Be His Vice President
01:05:57
6. Joe Biden Did Not Want Kamala to Be His Vice President
Kamala’s Interview with Brett Baier
01:21:40
7. Kamala’s Interview with Brett Baier
Why Did Kamala Pick Tim Walz?
01:27:02
8. Why Did Kamala Pick Tim Walz?
Transcript

Tucker [00:00:00] So how how long did you marinate in Kamala Harris and how do you pronounce your name?

Charlie Spierling [00:00:08] Issued an ad when she ran for Senate featuring children to remind everybody exactly how she expected her name to be pronounced. And obviously, you know, that if she if you diverge from that, then you are automatically accused of all sorts of things. But most of all, it's a very racist thing to do. You saw the same accusation go when Donald Trump did his Al Smith dinner speech. Said Kamala. And that made a lot of people very angry who are sort of, how.

Tucker [00:00:37] Can you be racist if you don't know what race she is?

Tucker [00:00:40] Well, she.

Tucker [00:00:41] Said, I'm not even sure who I'm discriminated against when I'm discriminated against Kamala Harris or whatever name is. If I pronounce my own first name at least two different ways, as she has, we have it on tape that I think it would be a lot to attack other people from for pronouncing it differently.

Charlie Spierling [00:01:06] Right. It's something that if you're that insecure about how people pronounce your name and, you know, it shouldn't be, you should just be able to either quietly correct them.

Tucker [00:01:15] Or.

Charlie Spierling [00:01:16] Be complete.

Tucker [00:01:17] Just go with it. Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:01:19] But she's made it very clear and spent money to make it clear this is how I pronounce my name.

Tucker [00:01:44] So how long did you spend, like, staring at Kamala Harris? Like, how long did you work on this book?

Charlie Spierling [00:01:52] Right. So I started in January 2023, just doing the research and pulling everything together. So about a year I spent working on researching, writing the book and wrapped it up the first draft by the summer of 23.

Tucker [00:02:06] So just to skip to the end and we'll unpack it, of course. But did by the end of your research, did you like her? More or less?

Charlie Spierling [00:02:16] Yeah, probably less. But I learned so much about her that it just seemed, you know, she she frequently talks about, you know, never let anyone else tell your story. You tell your story. She cites this all the time. She cited it last night during the Al Smith dinner video that she did.

Tucker [00:02:33] Never let anyone else never let.

Charlie Spierling [00:02:35] Anyone else tell your story. You tell the story. And that statement strikes me as very fundamentally un-American. Right. It seems like if you run for office, then if you tell your story, it's probably not real. There's probably a lot more to the story than your preferred version. And so that was a huge part of it, just finding out more about her, but also.

Tucker [00:02:58] Just the.

Tucker [00:02:58] Endless talking about herself. She and everyone in her social class and political party. All they do is talk about themselves.

Charlie Spierling [00:03:06] Right. But only in very scripted ways. Right?

Tucker [00:03:09] Or how about at all, like talking about yourself is.

Tucker [00:03:12] Like.

Tucker [00:03:13] And I would say the main thing I mourn is I look back in the world I grew up in that's now gone. The thing I miss most is the directive that came very clearly from my family. And I think in most families like, Shut up about yourself already. Stop talking about yourself. It's not about you, you freaking narcissist.

Charlie Spierling [00:03:32] Well, that's why so much of her campaign depends on her identity.

Tucker [00:03:35] But have you noticed this?

Tucker [00:03:36] I mean, maybe it's just the culture, the angle culture I grew up in. Like, you were not welcome to talk about yourself all the time. That was considered just not acceptable. Not very.

Charlie Spierling [00:03:47] Rude and pompous. Like you don't want to be that person. Yes. Even politicians are kind of encouraged to talk about other people instead, of course. And I think.

Tucker [00:03:56] For her, a huge.

Charlie Spierling [00:03:57] Part of it is just crafting her identity from the very beginning. Yeah. When she first started running for national office, she was very focused on creating this image of her as a person, maybe really baking into her identity. First of all, that she was the product of that She always cared about politics. She always cared about justice. She grew up marching and shouting with her activist parents who pushed her in a stroller through these protests and then, you know, skip a few decades. And then suddenly she's sort of the product of the overarching progressive movement that somehow she voiced. She's always been this progressive liberal who has always been very focused on justice and truth and has made it part of her life and part of her biography, when that's not really true.

Tucker [00:04:45] Well, it's demonstrably not really true. I'm not sure what is true about a couple of episodes in her life that I've heard really nothing about. And one is. Her high school years in Canada. And I think any adult looking back will concede that high school is the period that forms you more than any other. And that period in her life was spent in awesome misremembering in Montreal, Canada.

Charlie Spierling [00:05:11] Right. A huge part of her life was spent in Montreal. And so you're kind of alienated from any sort of your upbringing. So, sure, she's definitely alienated from San Francisco and the Berkeley environment where she was raised, kind of brought to a similar location, academic neighborhood, high middle class, I believe, you know, is was not a not a working or middle class neighborhood in Montreal. In Montreal.

Tucker [00:05:35] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:05:36] And she was the product she went to a school with, you know, a lot of elites in the in the country and was certainly aware of what was going on. But it was sort of she was sort of alienated from the overall American experience. Right?

Tucker [00:05:48] Well, yeah. So she did spend her high school years in Cork.

Charlie Spierling [00:05:51] And she might have gone home to California for some of the summers. I think there's evidence that she did so to visit her dad on a couple of occasions, but I don't think she spent much time there.

Tucker [00:06:01] Did she graduate high school in Canada?

Charlie Spierling [00:06:03] I think so. And then then she's stayed.

Tucker [00:06:06] And I mean, why are we playing? I'm sure like. Why are we pretend? It's like Obama who grew up in Indonesia? I don't know Hawaii. I don't understand why we're ignoring everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious. You know, you are formed by your years in high school. And so she's based she was.

Charlie Spierling [00:06:23] Very inspired by people in her life, people who were in California to go to Howard. This is definitely a product of Kamala Harris seeking to sort of seize on an identity by going to Howard in D.C., as you know, this historically black university and really sort of embracing that identity and using that as she moved back to California and into the, you know, went to law school in California and sort of jumped into the legal world.

Tucker [00:06:54] Yeah, I mean, the Obamas are a much smarter and more talented, I think, than Kamala Harris. But there is a similarity in that both of them have these rootless childhoods, not their fault, of course, broken families, pretty tragic family situation for both of them and both of them. And neither one of them has anything to do with American black culture at all, either genetically or culturally. They've just nothing to do with it. And both of them decide to become. American black people.

Charlie Spierling [00:07:29] Right. That's why she brings up who she calls her second mother in law. She was raised in a room by her single mom who was always at work and in the same building. There was a person who ran a daycare center. Ms.. Shelton And this is the woman who is actually from the Black South.

Tucker [00:07:46] She has that she referred to. This is the.

Charlie Spierling [00:07:50] Woman she refers to as her second mother and who's a small business owner.

Tucker [00:07:54] Okay.

Tucker [00:07:54] So this is the woman she was talking about, her husband. I was totally confused. Right. Who is this woman?

Charlie Spierling [00:07:58] This is Regina Shelton. She ran a daycare business in the same building as as their apartment. And she helps raise the children while mom's at work. And so she describes this woman as her second mother. And this is the mother who is connected with the black South that took Kamala to you know, Kamala talks about her taking them to a Christian black church where and even she says they sang in the choir at this church. And so whenever she's in a place where she's speaking to the black church, she refers to this experience. Whereas when she was running for office in California, her.

Tucker [00:08:35] Mother went to a black church once.....

Charlie Spierling [00:08:37] All the time, apparently, according to God. But at the same time, when they were doing magazine articles with Kamala Harris's real mother, she said that. And they were speaking to certain audiences. Her real mother said that she grew up in the Hindu temple and practiced all of the traditions and and believed in all the Hebrew and all the Hindu religious practices.

Tucker [00:09:03] So she was actually a polytheist in childhood. Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:09:06] And when she first starts running for office, there's there's a couple incidents where she starts referring to this Hindu goddess.

Tucker [00:09:18] And we're using.

Charlie Spierling [00:09:19] Her. She uses this Hindu goddess. I think it's Parvathi who is both. She's both a vengeful warrior and also someone who's very loving. And so she refers to this goddesses as someone who inspired her decision to get into law enforcement and injustice.

Tucker [00:09:39] So that's what. Yeah. So is she a goddess?

Charlie Spierling [00:09:44] Yes.

Tucker [00:09:45] It's a Hindu.

Charlie Spierling [00:09:46] Goddess who inspired her to get into justice. Someone who can be both a vengeful goddess, but also a caring and loving goddess.

Tucker [00:09:54] Was she suggesting that this goddess was real?

Tucker [00:09:58] Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:09:59] This this character in her. In the mythology of the Hindu religion. I don't think.

Tucker [00:10:04] It's considered mythology. I think it's considered real.

Charlie Spierling [00:10:07] From if you truly believe in.

Tucker [00:10:09] We have a fury. And I don't I don't think I think it's fake. I think you think it's real.

Charlie Spierling [00:10:12] It's unclear. And it may.

Tucker [00:10:13] Be entirely real, by the way. Right. But but from a Christian perspective, that's demonic.

Tucker [00:10:18] So, no, I'm not. Right. Kind of taking.

Tucker [00:10:20] Sides, though. I have an opinion, but obviously. But as a as a theological matter. Those couldn't be more incompatible with each other. Like, you can't.

Charlie Spierling [00:10:32] Unless you're running for political office. Right? Then you can't.

Tucker [00:10:35] Take those the opposites. That's like saying, you know, it's like, you know, going to a Peta conference in the morning and, you know, cattle rancher conference in the afternoon and saying, I love you both. Like that's just not possible.

Charlie Spierling [00:10:46] But those are the best politicians.

Tucker [00:10:49] Right. Okay.

Tucker [00:10:50] You covered the White House for a long time. You're more cynical than I am. Okay. That's interesting. So she said she was inspired by a goddess, right?

Charlie Spierling [00:10:58] A Hindu goddess.

Tucker [00:10:59] To, again, from a Christian perspective, a demon. That's right. Right. I guess in the end.

Charlie Spierling [00:11:05] She also sang in the black choir and about justice and learned about justice and. And loving thy neighbor. Was she a.

Tucker [00:11:11] Cantor in her synagogue, too?

Tucker [00:11:13] Do you know? I don't know. You know, maybe that maybe that's Doug's role.

Charlie Spierling [00:11:18] Although, I don't know. He goes to synagogue.

Tucker [00:11:21] I don't think so.

Tucker [00:11:23] Okay. Amazing. Has she ever talked about the Canadian part of her childhood?

Charlie Spierling [00:11:28] No, not much.

Tucker [00:11:30] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:11:33] That definitely came from her mother in some of her earliest profiles back when they were just running for her first offices. District attorney. Yeah. And trying to make the case that she was a a real, genuine person who really wanted the job and had a nice cultural identity that was close with San Francisco and really made the best case for her. And she was sort of running for office.

Tucker [00:11:56] And she mentioned Canada then.

Charlie Spierling [00:11:57] No, no, Canada was not in the in the.

Tucker [00:12:01] But but the goddess version was.

Tucker [00:12:04] Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, for sure. Amazing. So.

Tucker [00:12:12] The Howard University years did. She participated all politically at Howard that we know of.

Tucker [00:12:19] Well, she.

Charlie Spierling [00:12:19] Has a photo, right, of her protesting at some march on Washington, but that's pretty much the extent of it. She also interned in a and on Capitol Hill with the senator. But other than that, there doesn't seem to be much very much.

Tucker [00:12:33] Political activity going on. She's yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:12:35] A Democratic senator. And it's very clear that she's really just enjoying being at college, as most of us were when we were in college, just enjoying being in college. And I don't think the activist streak was very strong then.

Tucker [00:12:51] So I think the first time that most Americans who are not from California noticed Kamala Harris was during the Kavanaugh hearings.

Tucker [00:12:59] Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:13:00] But even before that, you know, when she won in 2016, she was sort of one of the small victories for women at a time when their greatest champion, Hillary Clinton, was vanquished by, at the time, Donald Trump.

Tucker [00:13:15] Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:13:15] And so when she declares victory in 2016, her per race for Senate, she turns up her speech and delivers something entirely different. Really trying to inspire and encourage everybody who's watching and vowed to be the next great fighter who's going to go to Washington, D.C. and sort of stop Donald Trump. That's kind of her.

Tucker [00:13:36] Her.

Charlie Spierling [00:13:37] First message. And one of the very first things she does.

Tucker [00:13:39] Was at election night.

Charlie Spierling [00:13:40] Yeah. Wow. Night in November 2016.

Tucker [00:13:45] Did she adlibbed that speech?

Charlie Spierling [00:13:46] No. I think she and her staff went behind the scenes and rewrote it.

Tucker [00:13:49] Yeah. Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:13:50] Very quickly, because they saw that things were not going well for the Democratic Party. And one of the first things she did when she got to Washington was deliver a big speech at the Women's March and basically saying, we are here to fight.

Tucker [00:14:03] And so with that was the pink hat march.

Charlie Spierling [00:14:06] Yeah.

Tucker [00:14:07] I got caught in that by accident.

Tucker [00:14:09] Most of us.

Charlie Spierling [00:14:10] Who were in the capital were right.

Tucker [00:14:12] Yeah, well, I was. I was just driving to the gym to play squash, actually.

Tucker [00:14:17] And all of a sudden, it was over. Yeah.

Tucker [00:14:20] My car was surrounded by all these fat ladies in pink hats. I was thinking. I don't know what the. You know, I'm from D.C., I've been there most of my life, and I never seen all these people on 17th Street was.

Charlie Spierling [00:14:30] One of those days that was very big. Like some protests. You have to really try to sell it as a as a big protest.

Tucker [00:14:37] I don't know. That was that was.

Charlie Spierling [00:14:38] A big.

Tucker [00:14:39] March. Yeah. And as someone who's really from the bottom of my heart, pro-women, I just have always really liked women. I started to rethink my position on women, just watching the people at that speech, they were the most physically unattractive, unhappy people I think I'd ever seen in my life. I mean, they were just really a gruesome bunch.

Charlie Spierling [00:15:00] A lot of, like, really like intelligent feminists from Washington, liberal, intelligent, funded minutes who are out in the.

Tucker [00:15:06] Streets so unhappy. It was like every unhappy chick from Bethesda was there. You know what I mean? Like the moms you see at the grocery store who just, like, hate their wee cousins. And I just didn't realize that there were a half million of those people in the area. But there were.

Charlie Spierling [00:15:22] Yeah, I was very.

Tucker [00:15:24] So she spoke at that. What did she.

Tucker [00:15:25] Say? Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:15:26] She was very interesting because part of her was still kind of clinging to this idea that an a regular agenda was a female agenda. She talks about how you want to talk about women's issues. I will talk to you about finance. I will talk to you about education and really trying to separate.

Tucker [00:15:43] Women have something special to add in those areas.

Charlie Spierling [00:15:46] Right. It was like she was just trying to say that during the speech. She makes the case that, you know, all issues are women's issues.

Tucker [00:15:53] There's what's feminist economics look like?

Tucker [00:15:55] Yeah. That was kind of her point. Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:15:58] It's just like.

Tucker [00:15:59] Okay.

Charlie Spierling [00:15:59] Eventually, I think because of the Woman's march, she kind of does sort of slip into this agenda. And certainly with the the the issue of abortion, she really embraced that.

Tucker [00:16:10] But yeah.

Tucker [00:16:10] Her first is that the that women should not have kids.

Charlie Spierling [00:16:16] Women should have the freedom to kill their children in utero.

Tucker [00:16:20] It makes them more powerful.

Tucker [00:16:22] Right.

Tucker [00:16:23] Does what it did. She mentioned the goddess when she said that.

Charlie Spierling [00:16:25] No, this is the new Kamala Harris. This is why I somehow.

Tucker [00:16:28] Feel like the goddess may be inspiring that position, but I can't prove.

Charlie Spierling [00:16:31] It. Right.

Tucker [00:16:33] Okay. So she gave a talk at the Women's March was jog my memory. Was that a big deal? Was she a major speaker?

Charlie Spierling [00:16:39] That was one of many.

Tucker [00:16:40] Yeah. Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:16:41] You know, to get all the senators up on the stage at the same time.

Tucker [00:16:43] Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:16:44] They'd get a couple of minutes.

Tucker [00:16:46] So, yeah, as soon as she got.

Charlie Spierling [00:16:47] To the Senate, she spent a lot of time just, you know, clashing with Trump appointees. Rank because that's what you do when you first get to the Senate.

Tucker [00:16:54] Yeah, for.

Charlie Spierling [00:16:55] Sure. They pick their cabinet and they go through the hearings and grandstand. You can if you can make a splash, you can make a name for yourself. And so one of her first things, she torments General Kelly, who was widely respected, bipartisan. Majority of senators who viewed General Kelly as a true public servant. And she was yeah, she was one of the ones that clashed with him and prosecuted him and basically made a name for herself on all the different appointees. And then just then after that, it was the whole. Jeff Sessions Russia thing. She made a big name of herself then, you know, grilling Jeff Sessions and getting him to admit that if he's rushed, then he gets nervous. And there was a whole big viral moment, you know, with the with the dawn of C-Span ever. Every senator, every congressman is looking for these sort of viral moments. Yeah. Just, you know, springboard them in the future. And so she really got this reputation as being a fighter, someone who could take on the Trump people and make them look foolish.

Tucker [00:18:05] What happened with Kavanaugh?

Tucker [00:18:07] Right. With Kavanaugh.

Charlie Spierling [00:18:09] It was a time of desperation for the left and for many senators who were thinking about running for president. It was your chance. I call it like the Kavanaugh primary. Whoever does the best chance against Canada is going to earn the respect from the left as you prepare your run for president. Yeah.

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Charlie Spierling [00:21:49] And so she's spent a lot of time interrupting, forcing angrily. Aggressively pursuing Kavanaugh and trying to get him to trip up. If you remember the famous moment when she kind of made up this story, when she's asking about whether or not he ever discussed the Russia case with any lawyer from this case, which firm in Washington and cabinet is being very careful because he doesn't want to be pushed into a perjury trap. But he says, you know, I can't think of any. Is there a moment that you're thinking about? And she's indicating that, yes, there is a moment she's thinking about and she's like, But you're not going to tell me, are you? And Cavanaugh's still being very careful. And it turns out like she never had any evidence of this ever happening. But she wanted to get him. Wanted to catch him in this moment. And ultimately, reporters were kind of surprised by the end of this great exercise that, wow, she has no evidence that he ever met or spoke about the case with the lawyer from this firm. But yeah, it was back in the days when anything Russia, Russia, Russia related. It was hot. Political news. You can't just smear anybody with the very whiff of Russia. It was always considered a great victory, which kind of pales in comparison now.

Tucker [00:23:16] Yeah. Looking back like the stupidity of that is just on firing. It was one of the no of the Russia stuff.

Tucker [00:23:24] There was it was the idea.

Tucker [00:23:27] That the Trump campaign was colluding with anybody, you know, to to actually believe that you would have to know nothing about what the Trump campaign was really like, where they were. You know, it was a little disorganized. They were not including with each other, you know, And there was never never I mean, that was insane. It was evidence free. Russia was not a threat to the United States. There were a couple of other countries that were playing in a huge way in our elections and still are. No one will ever mention them, not Russia. To put it mildly, everyone in DC knows that Russia had no role whatsoever in our domestic politics and they had no sort of agenda that would affect our core interests. So like the whole thing was just nuts and everybody went along with it. Everybody went along.

Tucker [00:24:16] With it, right?

Tucker [00:24:18] Like everybody, just like from the force of repetition, just because, you know, every channel, every newspaper, every day was talking about Russia. People like, you know, I really think there's something there. What it just showed how dumb everybody was or it all just hurt animals, including friends of mine for whom I lost a lot of respect. I was okay. I'm open minded. I'm kind of agnostic on Russia and I'm willing to believe anything. So where's the evidence?

Tucker [00:24:44] You know? Do you remember this?

Charlie Spierling [00:24:45] Yeah, I do. And Andrew Ross, as always, is very puzzling because it started from this dossier, right, that they always had in their back pocket but didn't use it during 2016 because they didn't think they had to.

Tucker [00:24:57] Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:24:57] But once Trump won, it was the first thing that they pulled out of their pocket. So like, wow, we can actually use this was.

Tucker [00:25:02] Harry's big on the Russia thing. She she prosecuted.

Charlie Spierling [00:25:09] Different Trump officials. She did get Bill Barr one time, you know, asking him if Trump had ever asked him to sort of stop the investigation. And he he found himself sort of fumbling for words. And, yeah, couldn't really answer the question. So she did have some good moments there. But yeah, I think a lot of it was just she was seen as somebody who was fighting. She had just supposing, you know, she was fighting something else. Right. And people place that excitement because she was the one doing the fighting against this force that they were very unhappy about.

Tucker [00:25:45] So how did if you were to summarize how she behaved during the Kavanaugh hearings? I mean, I think I remember her going all in on the rape stuff for sexual assault stuff.

Charlie Spierling [00:25:58] Right. Right. She was very, very adamant about supporting Christine Blasey Ford and was also around the MeToo movement. Right. She was very, very she honed in on that as a political force that would help her. So when it came to that, she was just very intent on pushing Christine Blasey Ford as this as this hero, as this patriot. You know, she repeatedly claimed that she believed her when she first spoke before she even met her. She repeatedly said that, you know, she was a patriot and a hero for coming forward. And she really thought that this was the moment that she could really push through and stop Kavanaugh. You know, Democrats didn't have much to go on. But when and when they found out that Dianne Feinstein had this letter from Christine Ford, who wished to remain anonymous and different, you know, she confronted Feinstein about the letter and like you better address this, once reports started leaking out about the existence of this letter, she confronted Feinstein and said, you better address this or it's going to look real ugly for you. So Feinstein was eventually forced out to make this letter public and to bring them in and to bring her into the conversation, even though she wanted to remain anonymous. And so this woman was ultimately pulled into the fight. And Senator, senators and Senate staff who were went through that. It was a very tough time for a lot of people in the Senate.

Tucker [00:27:23] Whatever happens to Christine Blasey Ford, that's all coming back to me. It was there was a high school party in Bethesda, and it starts in Bethesda, doesn't it? And which is a suburb of D.C., Right. Of course, in Maryland, Montgomery County. And and Kavanaugh supposedly at this high school party 40, 35 years before, had acted badly and sexually assaulted Christine Blasey Ford. Is that that was called.

Charlie Spierling [00:27:51] That was her.

Tucker [00:27:53] So then Blasey Ford basically destroyed her life, correct?

Charlie Spierling [00:27:58] Right. I you know, maybe she's still a progressive hero among some, but he's certainly and we've seen this story before when Democrats will pull an unsuspecting character to weaponize against the Republican Party and just sort of cast them aside when it's all over.

Tucker [00:28:14] Well, exactly. Nicely put. That's exactly right. Like whatever happened, Christine, Blasey Ford is no longer a hero.

Tucker [00:28:21] Right.

Tucker [00:28:22] Right. Like George Floyd. It's like he she was useful for a news cycle. They upended her life. And then I don't. I don't think they've, like, damaged chairs after her. It makes me.

Charlie Spierling [00:28:36] Think of all the moms who lost their sons in Iraq, how they were weaponized and held up as paragons of you know, this is why the Bush administration is evil, because we have this poor woman who's suffering the loss of her son. They would hoist them up and bring them do all the speeches and then.

Tucker [00:28:51] Yeah. And now all those moms who are against.

Charlie Spierling [00:28:53] Moms who have hostages and in, you know, Israel, you.

Tucker [00:28:57] Know, as.

Charlie Spierling [00:28:57] They brought them on stage and then it turns out, we can't help you're. Child who's being held hostage now. So. Aren't able to help them either. But we we were able to use them politically to.

Tucker [00:29:09] It's funny, all those Iraq moms who were marching against Trump, I mean, rather against Bush. Right. They all have my sympathy. Speaking for myself. But they you know, now the Democratic Party that wants. You know, promoted them and called them heroes, is aligned with Dick Cheney and his repulsive little daughter.

Tucker [00:29:30] Right. So you still have, you know, like whatever. You still.

Charlie Spierling [00:29:34] Have remnants of the Code Pink out.

Tucker [00:29:36] There. Exactly.

Charlie Spierling [00:29:37] They certainly aren't the champions.

Tucker [00:29:39] That know I'm on their social media.

Charlie Spierling [00:29:40] And my longer hailing them as champions.

Tucker [00:29:43] Sorry.

Charlie Spierling [00:29:43] Truth and justice.

Tucker [00:29:44] Sorry to digress.

Tucker [00:29:45] But it's just.

Tucker [00:29:45] It's just interesting you're so funny on about.

Charlie Spierling [00:29:48] It is an interesting time to revisit for sure.

Tucker [00:29:51] So but Kamala Harris becomes more national figure after falsely accusing right. Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault four years ago. Is that.

Charlie Spierling [00:30:01] Mean? I believe believe all women believe the victims. Right. This whole MeToo movement that was kind of around 2018, I believe.

Tucker [00:30:10] The 17.

Charlie Spierling [00:30:11] Right around this time, the Kavanaugh was sort of brought up and. Right. Like the entire movement was kind of leveraged in this whole thing where it's like believe on women. And that's our new platform for the Democrat Party.

Tucker [00:30:23] So women don't lie ever now.

Charlie Spierling [00:30:26] Especially about this.

Tucker [00:30:28] Because they're Hindu goddesses or something incapable of lying.

Charlie Spierling [00:30:31] I don't know. I don't know about.

Tucker [00:30:33] It's funny to find out that 51% of the population just doesn't lie. Everything they say is just gospel is just true while.

Charlie Spierling [00:30:38] You're supposed to. Because, you know, that's the those are the new marching orders. Only it turns out that it didn't go so well.

Tucker [00:30:46] Does that apply to Candace Owens or just just Christine Blasey Ford?

Charlie Spierling [00:30:51] Right.

Tucker [00:30:52] Just so it's just funny to look back. I'm sorry I keep interrupting you, but it's just funny to look back.

Tucker [00:30:58] It's like a time capsule. It's you remember these moments and in retrospect, they're so completely absurd. It's hard to believe that Martha Raddatz and Joe Scarborough and all these other supposedly educated people are saying this stuff with a straight face on television.

Charlie Spierling [00:31:13] Well, especially the MeToo movement. I mean.

Tucker [00:31:15] Women. Are you joking?

Tucker [00:31:17] No. No.

Charlie Spierling [00:31:20] And Kamala Harris was one of the first to see this as like a politically advantageous position to take the MeToo movement. So there's video of her marching in San Francisco at a parade championing the MeToo movement. And Cruz, who's along with her noted celebrity, Jussie Smollett.

Tucker [00:31:39] Not really.

Charlie Spierling [00:31:40] He he is also right beside her in a meta.

Tucker [00:31:43] You see, Smollett was the MeToo.

Tucker [00:31:45] Or Me tour.

Charlie Spierling [00:31:47] Back in 2018 and they're both chanting, you know, up, up with education, down, down with deportation. So they're also protesting.

Tucker [00:31:56] And making this up, Charlie.

Charlie Spierling [00:31:58] They're also protesting immigration wearing MeToo movement gear. But what's interesting about that and if you look at the MeToo movement as a political force, look at what they did to Al Franken.

Tucker [00:32:12] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:32:13] He was one of the first Democratic victim.

Tucker [00:32:15] Me? I defended him. Right.

Tucker [00:32:17] He wouldn't defend himself. He's such a cook. He wouldn't even defend himself. He did nothing wrong.

Charlie Spierling [00:32:21] Right. So he was he was a rising political star.

Tucker [00:32:26] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:32:26] People were actively. He just published a book. People were actively talking about him as maybe he's the answer to Donald Trump. He found this populist movement in Minnesota that pretty much vanquished the Republican Party in the state.

Tucker [00:32:38] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:32:38] And was this, like, awkward, weird anti-Trump? Right. And so people were actively talking about him as a possible presidential candidate. But then when, you know, these allegations start coming out about his behavior, who are the first ones to seize on it? All the Democratic women senators who are also interested in running a presidential campaign? I think it was I think it was Kristen Gellibrand that fired the first.

Tucker [00:33:05] She's the worst, not her real name, but.

Tucker [00:33:08] I can't remember the name. Now it's all fake.

Tucker [00:33:12] I wish I could remember her real name, but it's not even close to Kirsten Gillibrand. But.

Charlie Spierling [00:33:18] Anyway, putting Klobuchar Kamala Harris there.

Tucker [00:33:21] All Klobuchar did that.

Charlie Spierling [00:33:23] They'll band together and march to Schumer's office and say he's going to go and.

Tucker [00:33:29] And he actually obeyed them.

Charlie Spierling [00:33:31] Right? Well, him and all his colleagues were you know, when Schumer pulls him in the office and says, I can't defend you, I can't fight for you. What are you going to do? Are you going to fight for yourself and go be raked over the coals for the rest of your life? Or do you just go away quietly? It seems in Franken's case, he didn't want to fight that.

Tucker [00:33:54] I know Franken well and have not. Interesting for 25 years. Yeah, this pretty clever guy has good quality.

Charlie Spierling [00:34:03] People in the Senate. Always had good things to say.

Tucker [00:34:04] Yeah, I mean, I never hated Al Franken, but he was ultimately all he really cared about was left wing ideology and just such a.

Charlie Spierling [00:34:11] Sad and being liked and broken.

Tucker [00:34:13] Guy.

Charlie Spierling [00:34:13] Yeah. Liked.

Tucker [00:34:15] But again, you know, charming guy, talented guy, more talented than most U.S. senators, for sure, But so weak inside. Sure. I think Bostrom by his wife. That was always my impression. Franny from Portland, Maine, as I recall. But.

Tucker [00:34:30] But the point is, he didn't.

Tucker [00:34:31] Do anything wrong. And if he had just. Ridden it out for a week and just let it just hunker down, you know, go to Barbados for a week, come back, you. He'd be fine. He was an elected United States senator and he gave up his seat voluntarily because four ambitious girls didn't like him. I mean. Why? What a loser. You're right.

Charlie Spierling [00:34:55] You can certainly expect and more people started fighting back ultimately. But at the time they were very afraid of the movement. But it was.

Tucker [00:35:02] Very much if you were Al Franken and you just dishonor yourself and your family, your kids are ashamed. You go down in history as some sort of sexual assault or some sort of crypto rapist. You give up your own Senate seat that you really fought hard for. Just because Kirsten Gillibrand or whatever her real name is, right. Wants what you have. Can you imagine the regret? He must feel.

Charlie Spierling [00:35:27] Right. And then I think a lot of Democratic donors were not happy with that. Certainly with Gillibrand, a lot of Democratic donors were not happy when she ran for president in Iowa. It kind of ended. And very shortly afterwards, you know, worst Democratic donors were still furious at her, taking Franken off the neatly false person.

Tucker [00:35:44] I take Kamala Harris any day over Kirsten Gillibrand.

Tucker [00:35:47] Really?

Tucker [00:35:47] I think there's something about Gillibrand that's just really.

Charlie Spierling [00:35:51] She's just New Yorker.

Tucker [00:35:53] So ruthless. Gosh.

Charlie Spierling [00:35:55] You have to be.

Tucker [00:35:56] That's fascinating. Sure. Yeah. So Harris joined the chorus against. Against Al Franken.

Charlie Spierling [00:36:04] Right. At the same time, she has somebody in her office that is also. Under. Investigation for his own MeToo stuff when he was back in California. So someone in her close circle, I don't want to get his name wrong, but it was somebody very close who was being investigated by, you know, the justice. System in California. They ultimately she was he was sued by a woman for inappropriate behavior. And they eventually had to award this woman a big payout because of things that he had done to her in her in his office, in his previous job.

Tucker [00:36:45] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:36:47] When Kamala Harris is informed about it, she is has no idea. She's shocked. I had no idea that this was even happening. Well, if he was currently having this case being taken. That was already underway. By all the rules of the MeToo movement, you're supposed to get rid of this person as soon as you hear about it.

Tucker [00:37:06] Execute him. Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:37:07] But to have someone on his staff, on her staff who was involved in this whole situation. And then suddenly claim ignorance when the ruling is issued really doesn't pass the smell test.

Tucker [00:37:20] Well, also, I mean, come on. Harry's got her job because she was having sex with a married older man, Willie Brown, and then she was Montel Williams, the side piece. So it's like I'd love to know. Her actual perspective on sexual politics is a little bit different from maybe what she's saying.

Tucker [00:37:37] You know what I mean? Right, Right.

Tucker [00:37:39] I mean, if there's one anti-feminist in the state of California, it's Willie Brown.

Tucker [00:37:43] Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:37:44] Although he very much loved to see himself as a feminist.

Tucker [00:37:48] No, but let me bring real light. Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:37:50] But he would bring he would host these events that featured only women and he would talk about how these were great woman empowerment summits.

Tucker [00:37:59] I think they're known as ladies.

Tucker [00:38:02] And secondly.

Tucker [00:38:03] Look, I like Willie Brown. I'm not attacking Brown. I think he's hilarious because I think he's a little bit more honest, but very honest. If there's anybody whose life violates the principles of second wave feminism, it's Willie Brown. Right. I mean, honestly, I really. Willie Brown.

Tucker [00:38:22] Yes. I think that even.

Charlie Spierling [00:38:25] Even Bill Clinton described him as the real.

Tucker [00:38:28] Slick. Well, did he really say that? Yeah.

Tucker [00:38:32] That's so good. Now you're making me like him both because, you know, you just like flashes of honesty wherever you find them, right?

Charlie Spierling [00:38:37] Willie Brown was this character in California politics that couldn't be brought down by corruption. But he always he was always teasing and joking about corruption.

Tucker [00:38:45] Yeah, but.

Tucker [00:38:45] Mary, if you're having sex with Willie Brown in order to get a job, you know, whatever, you can deal with your own conscience and with your own Hindu goddess on that, you know? But you definitely can't lecture me on feminism if you've done that. I think it's fair to say. Right?

Charlie Spierling [00:39:01] I think so. I think when you talk to women, they would agree with that statement.

Tucker [00:39:05] You you know, you give up your right, you.

Tucker [00:39:07] Gain what you get for any general the state of California in the US senator and vice president. But you you do give up your right to lecture me about feminism.

Tucker [00:39:15] Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:39:16] I think a lot of women would.

Tucker [00:39:17] Agree with that. I think that's right. I'm just being I'm not judging, I'm sure. But she she's not allowed to judge either. I guess that's what I'm saying.

Charlie Spierling [00:39:25] It's certainly not without evidence. Right? Yeah. That was the whole story.

Tucker [00:39:28] You had sex with Willie Brown to get a job. So why don't you like the Simon isms.

Charlie Spierling [00:39:33] Stuff as you discuss with the previous guests like you kicked off her entire career?

Tucker [00:39:38] Of course it.

Charlie Spierling [00:39:39] Did. Just that. It was he you know, Willie Brown gave her positions of power on state boards that paid handsomely. You know, she made up to $400,000 back in the 90s from Can.

Tucker [00:39:51] You be specific about which positions.

Tucker [00:39:53] Are uninsured And she was sitting right now over again. I see. Yeah. Well yeah. And then she made so she made about.

Charlie Spierling [00:40:02] $400,000 over a couple of years just from these once a month state board positions and that's it. You adjust that for today's dollars. It's like almost $1 million.

Tucker [00:40:11] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:40:12] And then bought her the key, you know, bought her a BMW, helped pay for her wardrobe, really turned her in to Kamala Harris.

Tucker [00:40:21] So there are two ways to look at this.

Tucker [00:40:23] And as a charitable man who instinctively likes women and likes kind of plucky up from the bootstraps stories, and I think you could tell that story in an honest way that might make you admire Kamala Harris. Here's this woman who doesn't know anybody. She's from Canada. You know, she doesn't she's not from the area, really. She's I think she was.

Charlie Spierling [00:40:45] Working at the Alameda County.

Tucker [00:40:47] Prosecutor. Exactly right. In the East Bay. Right. And she winds up becoming attorney general of the biggest state. And she's willing to do whatever it takes to get that, including have sex with Willie Brown and Montel Williams. If you told the story that way, I say, well, you know, morally it's obviously.

Tucker [00:41:05] More.

Tucker [00:41:06] Malodorous. But on the other hand, this woman has a lot of a lot of energy. She's focused. She does what it takes to get what she wants. Exactly. Right. And she's totally self-made.

Charlie Spierling [00:41:19] And I think Willie Brown really opened her up to this world of the possibilities for sure. If you're a young prosecutor at the age of 29, you see what's possible. But being on the arm of Willie Brown.

Tucker [00:41:31] You serve and have sex with Willie Brown.

Charlie Spierling [00:41:32] Why wouldn't you look at that and say, I can seize this for myself as long as I show up and demand it? And Willie Brown taught her how to do that. He talks about in his book, like, in order to get into wealthy white worlds, you force your way into these positions of influence, like on museum boards and the arts and, you know, the charities, and you present yourself as this figure, then they'll welcome you into these worlds and they'll hoist you up onto these political.

Tucker [00:42:04] Okay, that's all fine.

Tucker [00:42:05] I get it. I mean, it's a form of prostitution, but, you know, I try not to judge. All I'm saying is, why would you be self-righteous? And scolding, even if she has no right to be self-righteous about anything or scold anyone. And she doesn't need to. By the way, she could just, I don't know, tell her story honestly. And people might say I would say I kind of get it. You know, she made something out of not much. And I admire that. Why does she have to lecture the rest of us about the civil rights movement?

Charlie Spierling [00:42:34] Right. It's because it's politically advantageous at this point. We kind of see that. But it's.

Tucker [00:42:38] Disgusting. Right.

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Charlie Spierling [00:44:25] But that's Democratic.

Tucker [00:44:26] Politician. Shut up, honey. You're from Canada. Stop telling me that the Edmund Pettus Bridge like you had nothing to do with that, right? No. Right.

Tucker [00:44:34] She's not from.

Charlie Spierling [00:44:35] Alabama. No, no, no. She definitely. Embraced this agenda as her own and embrace embraced her identity. If anybody questions her identity, she's less like, I'm not even going to take the time to discuss this with you. If you have a problem with me being black, that's your problem.

Tucker [00:44:55] You are also black. So it's Hillary, right?

Charlie Spierling [00:44:59] And when you talk to black women in in politics like they know, but they also see her as someone who could do the job.

Tucker [00:45:10] It's just so fake. So she did prepare a show the other night, right?

Charlie Spierling [00:45:17] It's the first interview I've ever seen where after the interview, everyone's tells you ignore all the substance of everything she said and focus only on the style. All of her defenders like focusing on the styling. Well, just the fact that she did this interview, she won.

Tucker [00:45:33] Whereas do an area that prepare the soil. It's also stupid. But what I didn't read any of the coverage of it because, you know, the lesson was obvious for me. I didn't need to be told what the lesson was, but I. I was really struck by how angry and touchy she was. Defensive. She was nasty. She was skinless. She was. You've seen a million of her interviews. Is she always is that a theme that you've noticed in the past?

Charlie Spierling [00:45:59] And this is something that was very much a product, that sort of booster on the public stage, which is why she's trying to repeat it. You know, she had a better than expected debate against Donald Trump. Yeah. Because she was able to tangle with him and demonstrate that. I thought.

Tucker [00:46:13] She did a.

Charlie Spierling [00:46:13] Potato.

Tucker [00:46:14] Pretty good job, right? Not bad.

Charlie Spierling [00:46:16] Right? She she needed that the opposition force to campaign against like he needs Trump. If she doesn't have Trump, what does she have? And so I think that that was part of the calculus of doing the Fox News interview. It's like, if I can just go against something and if I can just stand tall and get in a fight with Brett Baer, then I look better by comparison.

Tucker [00:46:37] It's just like.

Tucker [00:46:38] A total asshole. I mean, that was just my view. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm completely out of it. I, you know, it's nothing new there. Gender. She just was like screechy and defensive and.

Tucker [00:46:47] Mad is.

Tucker [00:46:49] Right in other interviews like that with her know she always is It's.

Charlie Spierling [00:46:53] Very interesting because and I talk about this in the book a lot is when she was sort of this like. Democratic champion in the Senate, where she was known for repeatedly fighting and getting angry and. And doing her utmost to, you know, crush Kavanaugh. I think she realized at some point that if I'm going to run for president, I need to like, be sort of a little more than just this opposing force. I need to have an idea, an identity that attracts Americans to vote for me for president. And so that's when she introduces this concept of a joyful warrior. She makes a hard pivot away from the fighter and goes on Ellen and delivers this elegant soul soliloquy about the importance of being a joyful warrior, about loving your country and fighting for your country and not being angry all the time. She has multiple interviews where she's like, I'm tired of being mad all the time and I want to be a joyful warrior.

Tucker [00:47:51] Did she use the phrase joyful warrior.

Charlie Spierling [00:47:53] Repeatedly, repeatedly on Ellen in magazine profiles? She completely and this is this is actually before Kavanaugh, because she has this reputation of being a fighter in the Senate. Then she pivots to be a joyful warrior around 2018. Then she pivots back to the vengeful warrior when she's fighting Kavanaugh. And then by the time she's ready to announce her campaign for president in 2019, early 2019, she sort of pivots back to this idea that I'm a joyful warrior and all I care about is speaking joyful.

Tucker [00:48:28] So you've looked pretty closely at her life. You just wrote a book about her. How many instances did you stumble across of joy?

Charlie Spierling [00:48:35] True. Genuine joy. Very hard to find. Very hard to find.

Tucker [00:48:38] She's very guarded.

Charlie Spierling [00:48:39] She's very guarded. She's a very private person and she's uncomfortable talking about herself. She talks about it all the time. She's like, I'm just not comfortable talking about myself.

Tucker [00:48:48] But she never stops talking about herself.

Tucker [00:48:49] I know this except in the.

Charlie Spierling [00:48:52] Specific ways, like being raised in a middle class family, being the product of her community being.

Tucker [00:48:58] What community is she talking about? Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:49:00] The San Francisco community.

Tucker [00:49:01] But she's from Canada, right? Like, what the hell? She has a point.

Charlie Spierling [00:49:05] But then when she's talking about the community, she's talking about her childhood community that she grew up in, leaving the Canada part out entirely and then just pretending she's always been from Oakland when she's actually from Berkeley, but she doesn't like to talk about it.

Tucker [00:49:23] Yeah. I mean, what? Yeah, I am from that area, so I know it well. Yeah. There are no black people there. I don't even know what she's talking about.

Tucker [00:49:31] Really?

Tucker [00:49:32] In. In San Francisco now.

Tucker [00:49:34] There's, like.

Tucker [00:49:35] One and a half black neighborhoods. Tiny percentage of the population. I think she's a.

Tucker [00:49:39] She is.

Charlie Spierling [00:49:40] The daughter of an academic elite. Right. Her mother.

Tucker [00:49:44] Too.

Charlie Spierling [00:49:44] Right. Right. Her father and mother were sort of hard left academics. They were not necessarily the marching shouters. I mean, I'm sure they went to a few protests, but they were very much intellectual activists.

Tucker [00:49:57] They were very. Can I ask.

Tucker [00:49:58] Is her father attacked her at one point, didn't he?

Charlie Spierling [00:50:02] Right. And this is for using her Jamaican identity to sort of defend the idea of smoking weed. Legalizing weed?

Tucker [00:50:10] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:50:11] He was horrified by that. Yeah. It's the rare occasion where he just, without permission, went out and wrote an angry essay essay, you know, explicitly saying, I was with I wish to categorize, you know, categorically disassociate myself from this brand that she's selling off her Jamaican heritage, being the reason why she supports legalized marijuana.

Tucker [00:50:37] Yeah, because I mean, if you actually are Jamaican, the idea that everyone in Jamaica's, you know, Peter Tosh.

Tucker [00:50:43] Is right fans, it's.

Charlie Spierling [00:50:44] Offensive. Right? He was very angry by.

Tucker [00:50:46] So she doesn't get along with him then clearly No.

Charlie Spierling [00:50:49] No. And he.

Tucker [00:50:50] Is he is forced.

Charlie Spierling [00:50:51] To take that. Actually. He lives in Washington, D.C. once.

Tucker [00:50:54] Yeah.

Tucker [00:50:55] Harris's father lives in Washington, D.C.. The father who denounced her.

Charlie Spierling [00:50:59] Right.

Tucker [00:51:00] What is he? What's this? Tell me that story. Why haven't I heard that?

Charlie Spierling [00:51:03] Yeah, we had some reporters from the Daily Mail, which is where I work........

Tucker [00:51:07] And.

Charlie Spierling [00:51:08] They sort of tracked him down. And he does actually live in a house not too far away from Collin Harris. And it does not look like they spend a lot of time together, if at all. I think the last time he posted photos of an adult, Kamala Harris and him together were from many years ago before she came to Washington. And he does a lot of work with economics and Jamaica and the World Bank. I don't know. But he's also semi-retired at this point. So, yeah, he's just kind of this figure that exists in D.C. but has no close connection with his daughter.

Tucker [00:51:38] Has he ever talked about her other than to write an op ed attacking her?

Tucker [00:51:42] He wrote in.

Charlie Spierling [00:51:42] A brief piece about his Jamaican heritage and how Polly Harris was connected to that. I wrote that for a Jamaican newspaper where he talks about his life and, you know, having Kamala at a young age and then, you know, becoming distance and eventually estranged entirely from her. Yeah, it's a very sad story. He talks he writes in his book, his book about, you know, Marxist economics. He talks about, you know, this book is dedicated to my daughters, Collin, Maya and I, from whatever relationship we have. And like, it's a little bit of a sad story because it seems like he was kind of pushed out of the family's life entirely after after quite some time.

Tucker [00:52:27] Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:52:29] I mean, he wasn't at any of her victory parties for her political races. He did not attend her inauguration. I never personally invited him to an inauguration. I think The Times did a story a couple weeks ago, said somehow he got an invitation through an intermediary, but he was never asked personally to come by his daughter.

Tucker [00:52:47] Ouch. Yeah. Yeah.

Tucker [00:52:49] Women who are mad at their dads, you know, tend to not all, but a lot of them end up at wearing pink hats at women's marches. And in general, if you're a father and your daughter grows up to be a man hater, it's probably kind of your fault.

Charlie Spierling [00:53:06] Right? Yeah. Fair. You sort of take on that responsibility, you know?

Tucker [00:53:10] Yeah, I know. Yeah.

Charlie Spierling [00:53:12] You know that it's your fault.

Tucker [00:53:13] Right?

Charlie Spierling [00:53:14] You don't have a relationship with your daughter, then? That's kind of. Yeah.

Tucker [00:53:17] She's running around promoting abortion. Right. Should occasion some soul searching on your part, I would say. But as a father of daughters, I can say that. But. So anyway, she comes to D.C.. Speaking of relationships. How? And she's chosen by Joe Biden, who has promised America to give us what we really want, which is a female black vice president.

Charlie Spierling [00:53:39] Well, they totally rejected it during the campaign when her failed presidential campaign when she thought she was launching this historic. Future. Forward Looking campaign in 2019 and January of 2019 when she announces her run for president. It doesn't go well.

Tucker [00:53:58] And.

Tucker [00:53:59] It goes really badly. And I'm sorry to slide right right over that. So she announces, how long does she run for president?

Charlie Spierling [00:54:06] She's one of the first out of the gate. She has all the support from many of the donors, many of the major media elites. You know, and she has this moment with people like Rachel Maddow who says, you know, I do think that you are one of our strongest candidates. And I do think that you're going to make it to the final finishing line. It's really an impressive effort by the elite in the entire party. They want to see Kamala Harris succeed. And they're very bullish about her chances when she gets into the race.

Tucker [00:54:32] It's such a funny, funny race. So the the candidate the Democrats really want is the socialist. But he criticizes the banks so he cannot be allowed to be the nominee because you can't criticize banks. Right. That's immoral. Criticizing bank. And we're a little.

Tucker [00:54:48] Squeamish about.

Charlie Spierling [00:54:50] Universal health care. Right. But Kamala.

Tucker [00:54:52] Harris actually.

Tucker [00:54:53] Want to give Democratic voters anything they really want.

Tucker [00:54:56] Right. So when she runs as this.

Charlie Spierling [00:55:00] You know, she moves herself so far to the left, right before she runs for president, she's become this like radical leftist candidate, even more radical than Bernie Sanders himself. She endorses Medicare for all. But when she's up on the debate stage and they're like, but if you have Medicare for all, and this means getting rid of private health care, and she's like, that's right. I agree. And then when she gets enormous pushback, media coverage. The health insurance industry. Then she walks back and says, Well, actually, I don't mean that. I'm sure private insurance will still be around and I want it to be around even though there is socialized health care. Well, it's not really how it works. But if you if you can pivot quickly to say that and then she makes the same mistake again. And this is when, you know, you obviously have a core Democratic Party that wants to see you as like this leftist champion like Bernie Sanders is.

Tucker [00:55:53] Right.

Charlie Spierling [00:55:55] Harris really wants to be that figure and is doing her most desperate attempt to win sort of the Bernie Sanders mantle. But the Bernie Sanders supporters are very angry with her for even pretending to be a socialist, democratic socialist, right, because she's not. And so I think that there was a very.

Tucker [00:56:13] Well, she's a t

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