FlyOver Conservatives-SESSION #5: The Difference between Prophetic and Revelation | Prophetic Prayer Training with Stacy Whited and Ginger Ziegler - captions

“When we start embracing God’s grace, God comes with His abundance of power and ability and He begins to change us. He begins to change our way of thinking in a permanent way. God uses His power, His loving-kindness, to take the truth and set us free.” - Ginger Ziegler

Ginger Ziegler is an accomplished author, teacher, mentor, grandmother, mother, and confidant. She is affectionately known as “Mom” to those who know her personally. In her 40+ years of ministry, she has established and pastored churches, Bible schools, ministry training schools, foreign missions, prison ministries and prayer groups all over the world. Additionally, she has preached in numerous churches in the U.S. and many foreign countries. She has also worked with many large ministries, establishing Biblically sound and healthy prayer groups, and leadership schools.

Ginger has a passion for empowering individuals to live out their God-given purpose and fulfill God’s original design for their lives, reigning victoriously as sons and daughters, equipped with the revelation of the POWER that is in the Name and Blood of Jesus.

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Welcome. I am so excited to be with you today. If you're new to Flyover Conservatives, our slogan is wake up, speak up, and show up. We all want a President Trump to do 80 million things to save our country. And what we've learned over these last few years, what we really need is 80 million of us doing one thing every day to save our own country and I know a lot of you that are watching the show today. You watch the prophetic report on a weekly basis and it's so exciting to see what God is doing right now. Not just in our country but across the world. He is speaking. He is not si lent. He is very vocal and it's it's amazing to hear from the prophets and to see how these words are coming together. You know, I it was introduced to today's guest several months ago and she's become a huge part of my life. I'm so thankful to her. She's somebody that's become a mentor. She's like a spiritual mom to me and to a lot of you. I know a lot of you guys have purchased her book, His Blood Speaks. I received so many messages from you all. This book has impacted my life and if you don't yet have it, I encourage you to get His Blood Speaks but today, we're going to be talking about session five on prophetically praying. How do we use these words that we're hearing from the lord And then how do we partner with him to do something every single day to help to save our country in our world through these prophetic words that he's delivering. Again, this is session five and I'm so excited to have today's guest. She's been in ministry for over 40 years. She is just a wealth of wisdom. When you see her, you're like she's tiny but she is not tiny in the spirit. She is a giant in the spirit. Welcome to the show, Ginger Ziegler. Thank you. Thank you. Stacy, I love you. You're so sweet. You're so good. Thank you and thank you all of you that are watching. I appreciate you listening. I'm telling you what, Stacy is doing about these prophetic reports is amazing. We needed someone like her to put this together so that it made sense. She takes like a puzzle and she works this puzzle and it's making total sense to all of us so it's usable in our life. So, I I just congratulate you and all I know your sister and everybody's helping and so you've got a wonderful team of people and thank you Colton for fixing everything. Yes. The immediate side of it. And Avery and all of y'all. So and David too. I'll make sure I mention him. So anyway so thank you for letting me do this and thank you for allowing me the honor of sharing. Cuz I do have a bunch of knowledge in there. You have a ton of knowledge. Julie every time I talk to you I get so excited. I'll get off the phone and David's like okay what did Ginger say and I'm like where do I even start? How do I could just can I just download what I just and it takes me a while even to process it because I'm chewing on it. Things that I'm learning from you. I'm like, oh that's why this worked over here. This is why I experienced this over here and it's been so exciting. In fact, that's how these sessions started was through our conversations and I'm like, we need the flyover family to hear this as well and like I said, this is session five that we're doing. I'm not sure how many we're going to do. We kind of initially had this number of seven but we're like, okay God, however many we need to get it out there because we are at a critical time right now in our country and I would love for you to touch on that. You know, we've had several conversations. You know, we are, you know, 114 days from the 20twenty-four election. We're hearing a lot prophetically about 20twenty-four going into twenty twenty-five. Um can you just talk about kind of what you're seeing and what God's been showing you and why this is such a critical time. It's amazing and I'm telling you critical is the right word when the Lord told me in ninety-one to start praying for the nation. He gave me a mandate. And so I saw things in ninety-one that are actually happening right now. And that was decades ago and it was like that's never going to happen is it? And so now I'm actually seeing them fulfill but now we're oh boy you talk about a sliver of time. And yes it is happening. It's amazing how God is revealing things through prophets. And if you learn you don't have no whole bunch but if you learn how to get on with that Hebrew calendar and I got a couple of people here several that helped me understand the Hebrew calendar I was just sharing with Joseph Z day before yesterday something that God had shown us in my prayer group back in 2018 or 2019 somewhere along in there about this particular election. We saw way back and we saw one and I saw it one, two, three, boom and when I shared it with him, I was telling him I said this, this and this and what I didn't know was that he had already taught on it day before but I didn't know I hadn't heard it and then yesterday Krista told me she said you know the day that you shared that with him that on the Hebrew calendar that was the day that Joshua told the son the moon stand still because that's what I was talking to Joseph Z about I said we gotta we gotta grab a hold of time and God tell that time hey y'all stop wow things we gotta do and I was like I said do what I didn't even know that and then it was just amazing. July the 11th. I didn't even know that till we came in here to record today. And they were telling me July the eleventh. I think Barbara told me this. Um Barbara knows the Hebrew calendar stuff and and so she said that July the eleventh which was when they were going to Trump. Yeah Trump. Okay. On the Hebrew calendar. Do you know what day that was? What day? Haman. Was throwing dice. Is that or what and I said whoa so we all started talking about and then Krista said don't you remember we were talking about that long time ago and I said I don't remember that but that's how on time we are and that's how God is working with us and the calendar so that we can take the ancient of times as the antichrist and go no back up God will say when it's time and he hadn't said it's time so it's not time. Daniel 725 in the amplified said he thinks to change the times. He thinks like he thinks he can do this. Yeah. Well when we learn how to pray along with the prophets and understand what they're saying. If we see that he's messing the calendar up the devil then we can go in there and say Father show us how to do it. Well the prophet stood up and he said by this time tomorrow boom it's going to happen. And it did. Just like that. What? And the guy didn't believe said okay you won't be tomorrow to see it. And so then Jesus himself even said hey y'all don't look out there in that harvest field and say there's four more months. Knock it off. Don't say that. Say the harvest is now. Mm. So God is showing us how to work with what is going on because we are in a critical time right now. And you know Chris is Reed's dream. We've talked about it. Yep. This latest one he had in in March. He said we're going to have some bumps in the road come October. Well let's change those bumps. Exactly. Get in there and find out what this because he said in his his other dream that he October the eighth in twenty twenty-three that he was given some kind of a like a cellphone or some rather a code type thing. And I told my group I said I've been given codes from God all these years. You learn the code. You learn type and shadow from the Old Testament and how he sees things. And God speaks to you in these codes and you go oh that's what that is. And so he begins to speak to you in secret like he did Elisha in the and Elisha's in there just praying away and he goes hey y'all the King of Assyria is headed up this path go over there and cut them off it's past what we say in Texas just like cut them off yeah and so you go ahead of time and you change it that's why I say we can change some things stop think some things and alter some things we have 114 days we gotta do something we do that is huge okay okay so I want you to touch on this and I hope I'm not jumping ahead we'll maybe kind of we'll we'll touch on maybe come back to it but something that you said when we were talking the other day on the phone and I want people to understand is that Satan is only in the past he's not in the future he doesn't have that relationship with God he doesn't have that when he fell as an angel he lost all of that he's only in the past so he doesn't have no presence no future he can't do anything and the only way that he knows that is through our talk because we have a connection to God we have holy spirit we have Jesus in us and so we can see those kind of things and Satan is not in the future and so our words are important but also what you were saying there about code, God talks in code, we talk in code because we don't want Satan to get some of those things. Can you touch on that? Well, the proof is first Corinthians chapter two verse eight. None of the rulers of this age or world perceived or recognized or understood They didn't get it. If they had known they would not have crucified the Lord. Right. Okay. If Satan come on with me. Hello. The whole Bible was there. All these prophets were there. We have all these stories. We have all these Israelites. We have Levites. We have priests. We have all this stuff. Moses and everybody. He was there a long time. Mhm. But he didn't even know if he crucified Christ what he was doing. That proves he'd know the future. Yep. That makes sense. Right there. And so when we know that proof then we go hm okay so how does he find out what's going on? He probably listens to the midnight news. And so because he doesn't know we have to be watchful in what we do share and when we share it. And I'm not talking about scary. I'm talking about watchful. There's certain times that we need to share things even with prophets. And I think they're All of us we're growing. We're learning. Um like for instance what I shared with Joseph Z I had known that since twenty eighteen. Mm hmm. But I had never called him up and told him. Right. I knew all that. Yep. But I taught my prayer group and then there were other things that I knew like four years ago I knew a certain thing about two prophets that they needed to come in do a certain thing and it's you know as far as this this particular election is about but when God me. He said, don't tell anybody for 6 months. I'll tell you when you can tell em. So, I had to pray it out by myself in the prayer closet. Mm hmm. Then, I could tell my prayer group and then he released me one at a time to go talk to the prophet about it. So, we have to learn when we release things that we're doing it at the right time. Does that help you? Yeah, that makes sense. He didn't have a future that's why we do. We have we have a destiny. We have you know, horizon. Ecclesiastes talks about in I think it's 311 or some place in there in the amplified it talks about that we have a horizon so you can't ever get to the end of the horizon far as you go there's always another you know the horizon continues so we but he doesn't. He has an end. Boom I'm so glad I can't wait. I know. Okay so that makes a lot of sense for things that I'm even hearing through prophet Robin Bullock. So like let's say Robin Bullock is saying something the Lord sharing and then he'll stop and he says okay I can't share I can't share anymore of that. So, I I have to stop right here. God's telling him to stop for some reason. There's a reason and him being obedient and hearing the lord and not sharing any further as well as I've heard prophet Robin talk about that that God is in the future and that God there like when God looks at us in the future, there is no sin. It's it's all perfection in the future. Our destiny is there. Everything is there and so it's always projecting towards that because Satan doesn't understand any of that and has No, he can't even get into that realm. He cannot be in the future. He's only in the past. You know, the lord told me that we lived in Magnolia, Texas and we went to Magnolia Baptist Church and this is nineteen sixty-nine. I can tell you exactly where I was on the road and what car I was driving. We were baptist through and through and the lord spoke to me on the way home from church one day and he said, did you know that your sins are forgiven past, present, and future and I said, yes, sir. I think I did and he said, no. Did you know that your sins are forgiven past, present, and future. I said, well, I guess I don't know what we're talking about and then I was just meditating on that. We weren't even filled with the Holy Spirit. I mean, we were trying to figure out where Genesis was, okay? So, we're trying to figure out that life and but it stuck with me and I was like, I went and I was telling everybody. I said, you know, did you know that our sins in the future are forgiven and they were all looking at me like duh and I couldn't explain it but I Stand it now. Otherwise, Jesus would have had to be crucified every year just like they did with the bulls and the cows and the goats and all that stuff and so that's how we get to go into eternity. Mm hmm. Because of what he did. His blood, the power of his blood has no limits. It's the life of God almighty. Whoo. That powerful? That is so powerful. That's so powerful. Okay, so Flyover family, just so you guys are aware, the notes that we're covering today which there are, you know, no that you can have as well. I'm keeping them in my Bible. I have all of our session notes and as well as all sessions that we've done before. You can get those by texting the phone number four zero five zero nine. Text the letter GZ as in Ginger Ziglar GZ four zero 509 and you can get the notes from all sessions. So session five will be in there as well. Last time we talked on session four Ginger. We talked a little bit about maturity and the maturity as a follower of Cry but I wanted to to touch a little bit more on that today because I think it's important again where we are critical timing so understanding maturity and then how we can continue to mature and then we're going to go more into The Prophetic but let's talk about maturity and that how we're all kind of different places and how we can grow in that. Wow. I hope you're enjoying this conversation as much as I am. I am learning so much. I just want to do a shout out to the sponsor of the show and that is Mike Lindel with Pillow. com. We are so thankful for Mike. He's doing everything that he can to help to save our country. He's bringing his time, his talent, his treasure. 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Now, let's jump right back in with our conversation with Ginger. Uh that's we're all, I mean, some people had just gotten born again and I I said this on one of my other videos I was doing. I said, some people been born again for 20 years but they're still sucking their thumbs. So, hell yeah. It's time to go up but in in this first Corinthians chapter two, you get em down. I I covered the verses on our our notes here but in Paul said I can talk to people. I have a wisdom that's not man's wisdom. I have a wisdom that is from God. But some of y'all are so babyish and whinyish that you I'm having to give you milk. And I should be giving you meat. But he said some of you guys are mature enough that I can talk to you on a different level. And so this is encouragement. This is not getting on to us. This is encouragement. Remember when you were in kindergarten and they started teaching ABC. Well you couldn't wait till you got what? In the first grade so that you could learn to read ABC. Mm hmm. And then when you why you had you had a desire to learn and then pretty soon you were in the fourth or fifth grade and you were doing math and you were doing this and then you wanted to and this is the same way with us. So wherever we are God puts a hunger and a desire in us to like Father I don't quite understand that. Help me mature emotionally, number one, emotionally and spiritually and it's done is so simple to read the Bible and you don't even have to even understand it. Pick out some places that you normally I mean like Ezekiel and it's fine but you you know like how is that going to help me? Every word in this Bible is life and you're going to get received some kind of life. You're going to come alive somehow. Mm hmm. And so when you're coming alive somehow, whatever that's happening in your Coming alive then life is in and then you have the capacity to what? Learn more. To learn more. To learn more. Yep. And so you look down here at verse six it says he said but when I'm among the full grown. And that's what you and I are talking to. We're talking to full grown Christians. We're talking to and we we got people now in the pulpit. We're not talking baby talk. We're talking to full we got 114 days. Boom. We gotta do something. Come on. Yep. Make it happen. That's what we're talking to. And then he says spiritually mature Christians who are ripe in understanding. We can impart a higher wisdom. A higher wisdom. Think what is this higher wisdom? A knowledge of the divine plan. That's previously been hidden. Why was it hidden? Not because God was hiding it. But because we weren't mature enough to receive it. Wow. That's part I'm just reading the Bible. That's good stuff. These are his words. Yep. Just having to read them. Good words. And indeed not a wisdom of this present age How much wisdom do we have people got and find we got out of high school, college, or whatever we got. Oh and people forever telling me something that the internet says. I go whoop you going to look up something on the internet. Could you look up this scripture and find out. Tell me something else. I I want this present age is fine. I have to know two plus two is four when I go to the grocery store. Okay? I do have to know that. I have to know how to drive a car. Okay I got it. I don't have to know how to do the GPS because I can get that lady mixed up. So I not follow the Holy Spirit. But anyway so this present age yeah we have to know that. But anyway we what? We are being taught a higher level because it's present age wisdom is going to come to an end. Mhm. Then we have some one of those guys and I won't mention his name but one of those dudes that calls himself some kind of a prophet. He's talking about people being a sideboard. I heard that and I said a sideboard. I know what a sideboard is. When I lived on the farm we put we cut out of tree and we put it through a sawmill and we had a board that we put on the side. Side mark. Okay so hello here we go. Boom. Talk to me in Texan. Yeah exactly. But do you see what I'm saying? We're coming up and I congratulate you. Stacy because you're helping the body of Christ to mature enough to receive a higher level of wisdom a mystery. Chuck Pierce said probably maybe eight or nine years ago. We're coming to a place to where hidden mysteries are going to become prevalent and they're going to be revealed to us and you're through your prophetic what you're doing you're releasing a higher level of wisdom so that we're able to understand what God is saying for present time this is talking about present time yeah right now we now November right now between now and 25 between now and 26 between now and 30 because we're still in that decade 2020 to 20 to 30 so we're still in this decade where nations are deciding if they're going to like God or dump it. Right. That's the truth of it. Yup. And where nations are lining up for us or against us. Where nations are lining up for Israel or against them. Right now, this is where we're in the valley of decision. We have to have a higher wisdom. There's something that we need to know from the scriptures that we haven't known. You know what we've known in the past and I'll go real fast because I know you need to say something. No, I'm yeah. I was actually just thinking as you were talking it made me think when we were I've heard Robin say this a few times and then last week I I put it as part of the prophetic report God had given Robin up to 2030 like names for each year like for example 20twenty-four the year of the open door so we've all heard several prophets saying that but God said 20twenty-four the year of the open door 2025 yeah the year to be alive is what God shared with him twenty twenty-six, the year of the fix. 2027, it will be like heaven. 2028, you'll be at a new gate. 2029, things will be just fine. Here's the kicker. 2030, it's up for grabs. And I feel like that's an invitation from the Lord to we we we are in control of what 2030's going to look like but it does have to deal with maturity that you're talking about. Because if we're Still sucking our thumb and we don't understand how to take up our authority. We it's up for grabs. That means the enemy's got it. That's exactly right and just like what you were saying prophet said then you hear another prophet. This is perfect because you hear another prophet that's saying what's going to happen in 2526 and they're not saying opposite because as we need to talk about this because you want to bring this up. They're not saying opposites. It's two sides To the coin God is showing us because some people are younger in the things of God and younger in the prophetic. Some people are older and more mature in the things of God and the things of the prophetic. So we have different prophets saying the same thing about the same year but it's opposite. It sounds like. But what he's doing is he's ministering to different parts of the body of Christ at a level that they can understand. And in word I can understand. Mm. Prophet is from Alabama. I'm from Texas and I start listening to somebody from New York and I go y'all could y'all just slow down really slow like way slow like I didn't get half of that sentence because I I understand in a slow, I'm from the south. I understand the slow mode and so there's nothing wrong with me. There's nothing wrong with them. It's how we're learning. So, this is perfect because you'll hear it from somebody else but what is great? I mean, you know how many times did your mother tell you to eat your broccoli? Because you needed it. So we don't just need to eat macaroni and cheese because we like it. We gotta have some of this other stuff and so that's what God is doing. He's speaking through different prophets in different ways so that we can grasp the whole of what God is saying for the time that we're living in right now. And instead of us criticizing or saying well why did they say it this way? Why did they no look at it and say wow Lord you're saying that so I can understand it. You're saying it in a way that I can comprehend it. Thank you for doing that. Isn't that beautiful? It is beautiful. To to honor. To honor what God is doing. Mhm. Cuz God is doing what he does best. He's speaking so that we can all comprehend what he's saying. But he is talking in a higher mystery now. A higher level of wisdom now. And so it's going to take more study, more prayer time, more listening. We gotta turn the TV off. We gotta stop running around doing all this other stuff. We gotta get a head in the word and a heart in in God so that we can grasp what he's saying right now. Does that help you? It does. Yeah. There okay so there let's talk obviously prophetic report. Uh I listen to a lot of different prophets. Uh I've been listening to prophets now. I was first introduced to the prophetic like in twenty 10. 20 yeah around 20 10 maybe twenty eleven. That was when I was first introduced to the prophetic raised in the church but didn't really understand the prophetic kind of thought that was maybe for you know, Bible times but not necessarily for today. Introduce to that, everything changed for me, fell in love with the prophetic in twenty 10, 2011 around that time period and now but I'm seeing that God has amplified the voices of the prophetic not just to a small group of people. Now, it's pretty common. A lot of people are aware of the prophetic and a lot more people are listening to the prophets with a lot more going on. Maybe people that were necessarily in the office of a prophet before are kind of stepping into that office as of these last maybe three or four years. Um why is that happening right now? Why is that significant and why so many different voices? Oh, it's simple. It's really easy. It's what God's doing. God speaks through his prophets. God speaks through his prophets. His prophets. He's not going to do anything without talking to his prophets and those prophets are going to say it and then people Don't get bent out of shape. But we had which is beautiful. God knows what to do to help us. We had the pastors and the teachers. And the teachers were saying you're so wonderful. You were born at such a time as this. And the pastor who said oh poor little baby come here. I'm going to be here right here with you. Everything's going to be okay. They were mean to you but it was alright. We needed that. Yep. We were growing up. We were growing up. Even in Timothy, Paul talks to Timothy's, he said, while you were a kid, you had a nurse maid but you're not a kidnap. Right. And so, we had this the emphasis was on the prophet, the prophet but you know, there was another time back in the 40s that the emphasis was on the evangelist. Yeah. Everybody get a tent. Lester Summer used to say it like this. He said, I found out God was healing blind eyes by spitting so I got a tent and started spitting. So, we're moving we had all this you know everybody was going to church in a tent and that was it. Don't go to church in the church. Go to church in the tent because why? They needed a miracle of healing and they weren't getting a miracle of healing in the church building. Mhm. So what God's doing now? Listen he's saying we're at the end of this you guys. He's turned your slack out of us and saying this whole thing is about to turn around. The anti Christ is doing his stuff ahead of time to do this quote new world order to do this his reset which we're not going to like his reset. Right. To do this thing and so I'm trying to put a voice in the church now instead of us saying but I want the pastor and I do want the pastor. I'd like for somebody to be nice to me. I mean it's okay and I want somebody to teach me that's really alright. But I need a Prophet to say Ginger this what time of day it is. Now you can get up there and do it or not. Alright tell me what to do and how to do it and all that. Because we're at it. We're at a time now. It's just like people wait. I I knew somebody just this just happened a couple of weeks ago. They were having symptoms symptoms for a long long time in their body. They wouldn't go to the doctor. They didn't check anything out. They finally end up in ER. And when they got through checking they had four stage cancer. Wow. And then the doctors were just like this trying to trying to fix it. Yep. And and you think wait and that's what we do. We tend to like I'm going to hold on to this past. I can read to you out of Isaiah. Now I'm doing a new thing. Now I'm doing new thing. Don't remember the past. Now I'm doing a new thing. Yep. Don't don't do that. Do this. And so God has he's establishing his prophetic and his apostolic. Would have to do another so I can do the level of teaching on that but when a note for us so that we remember. Apostolic and Prophetic. Okay, I got a note for next time. So I'll just go really fast but what so what would they they would not they did not accept Jesus as who he was because they did not accept him as who he was then they could not receive from him. Mm as who he was. Yes, that's why in his own area that I went into Nazareth and they couldn't. No, you're not. We're not going to do that. Not. No. Mm mm. No, you're not. Well, it says he couldn't do a bunch of miracles over here because. Mm hmm. And so, we've got God now saying, I'm trying to put a voice in the body of Christ to tell y'all what time of day it is. Will you receive a prophet so that you can receive a prophet's reward. So if we get over here and we're like nitpicking well this guy said that. This woman said that. I'm telling you I got enough scriptures. We got we got a few scriptures okay? We got I can prove what I'm saying. Then we can't receive. Uh I mean Stacey if you came to me and you said Ginger I really love you and I want to do this you and that for you and I said, no, that's alright. I don't need to, I'm not going to receive from you. I don't know what you got. Yeah. You you would have it but you couldn't give it to me. That makes sense. Because something in me, not in you, something in me. Mm hmm. Something in me and I remember in seventy-9 when the lord was trying to tell me about getting out of debt and how he could provide financially. Boo, I had this mark in my brain said, nope. You gotta live in debt. This is how you do it. This is how you do life. You gotta have credit cards and God was alone. Yeah. He stayed with me til I got it. Yay. I'm so glad. Praise the lord. But you can't you've we've got to receive the prophets and I'm not saying all the prophets are right. I'm not saying that but I'm just saying we've got to if we don't receive this move of God. We're not going to have this Acts four thirty-three, signs, wonders, miracles, and no need among us. We will not have this outpouring of great grace. So it is a truly being willing to receive it so when somebody says oh that's not for now and they reject it then they cannot receive it that's why Jesus was like they never they weren't like in his own town they just knew him too well you know he's like they he had did less miracles in that area than he did anywhere else because they would receive him as the savior that somebody that could actually do it that's right exactly and I tell you precious story this happened nineteen eighty-one we were we were hosting Pastor Joe from Korea was there. Kenneth Hagen Senior was there. Kenneth Copeland all these big guys. TL Osborne all those guys. And I was in there and I was supposed to help wait on whatever they wanted. So Kenneth Hagen Senior came in first. What? Man you talking about Green Bean but I was it. You know and I was like all I knew is keep your mouth shut. Just do what and you're supposed to do. Don't ask any questions. They'll say I was shaking all over. So Kenneth Hagen Senior came in and the power of God came in the door with him and I was wow leaned up against a wall because I was so scared to move. And that scripture if you give a cold glass of water to a prophet you receive you know my my brain was working. And I was like I couldn't this is too funny. Don't laugh. I couldn't remember the word. I knew it started with a P but I couldn't remember how to pronounce it. I thought well Lord I just say water because I can't remember what that word is. I mean it was new in ministry okay? Yeah. Anyway I finally at enough time I got my voice working and he's sitting in a chair and I said I said sir would you would you like a glass of water would you like ice in it or yeah I didn't know what to say and so he said yeah he said water and he pointed to the he was so thankful I didn't have to Y'all hear some of my funny stories. I say that word now. Yeah. But anyway, so I fixed him water and I'm like this. Cuz I'm thinking this scripture. Yeah. Oh my God. You're giving him a cold guys of water. He's and I'm walking over there and I'm like, don't spill it. Don't pour it on him. Don't pour. Don't pour it on me. Don't pour it. I mean, I can even think and I have put a napkin around it and I handed it and I just I just backed up and I leaned back up against the wall and I was like, I don't know what I thought. I thought I have a was going to open. But I'm telling you that imprinted in me. To this day I can tell you how I felt. And I remembered exactly. And when I went to work for Kenneth Copeland I had to fix some tea the first time I was like you know. And I was like okay don't freak out. This is alright. You can do this. Because I was thinking of that scripture. But I didn't when we got in this move of this prophetic I all the way back and I said Father I'm so grateful. I don't know how you taught this this dumb bunny here. I don't know how you taught me to have such honor. And such reverential fear. For you your word. And your ministers. Whatever how you did it. I'm so grateful. Because of that it's been easier for me to receive this prophetic move of God. Mm. And not find what's wrong with it but find what's right with it. That is huge. Okay so all of us over the last few years especially over the last couple of years have seen people that were high profile fall in the church community. And even people around them that didn't necessarily say anything but may have known that something was going on. That things weren't right. And so we keep hearing a lot of Psalm 105 fifteen. Do not touch my anointed ones and do not harm. Do no harm to my Prophets. So, we hear that and it's like why weren't people saying anything but at the same time, there's like two sides of a coin. Can you talk a little bit about the scripture? What does that actually mean and how does it apply? So, obviously, there is somebody's doing something wrong in a correct way to approach it when that's happening then also firing at somebody about something that maybe you didn't like or you don't understand Maybe calling him a false prophet. You know, all these different things about somebody when you don't really understand what's going on and the difference between the two. Let's just address that one first. Well, first of all, Paul taught Timothy. This is how you deal with the minister. This is the protocol. This is how you do it. 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So, when you go to Fern Valley Soap. com, make sure you use promo code flyover for 20% off. Thanks again Sandra Fry and your team for taking care of the flyover conservatives. We really appreciate it. Now, let's jump right back into our conversation with Ginger Zigler. So, we just need to do that. And that that's in the Bible so you can find that there. That's how to deal with it. Just follow, yeah and what happens is we still this I I learned personally. I came from an abusive background. And God taught me in the early seventies. He said I want you to honor your father and I said how can I do that? And he said I'm not asking you to honor what he did or did not do. I'm asking you to honor his position in your life. Mm. And I was like what? I don't know what that is. And he said he's your father and she's your mother. It's not what they did or didn't do. He said I will deal what they did or didn't do. But I'm going to deal with you if you don't have proper honor. Cuz Ephesians said if you don't honor your father and mother not what they did or didn't do properly then it's not going to go well with you. Wow. And so I was learning something. And so I said well then how do I deal with what they did or didn't do? And he said you forgive. Mhm. Cuz you'll be free from that. If you forgive it'll never touch you. And I said oh that'll work. Yeah. So anyway I learned how to forgive. So I took that. Then you take the next example. Ananias Sapphire comes to church. Peter's up there. And looks at. He goes hey did y'all have some land? And they said yeah. He said well did you sell it for this much? Yeah. And you know what I'm saying is everything like it was amazing because he didn't say I call you out. Right. You know you lied. No. He didn't. Yes questions. Why did you lie why did you let this why did you let this why? That he did not Judge him. He didn't criticize him. They failed dead. Mhm. Just like that. And so we need to be watchful. Cuz sometimes we think we're you know doing it right but actually we're judging or criticizing. And there's a way to do it. When the prophet came to Paul and he said I have a prophecy here and he turned his back. And he said the man that I this girdle on, he's going to go bound. He didn't say it directly to Paul. Isn't that amazing? Mm hmm. Because sometimes we need to learn how to share what we've got to share and I can tell you I could preach this to you. I won't tell you the whole book but do you know where persecution came from in the book of Acts? There was an outpouring of God. It was wonderful. Do you know why Steven was stoned? The people started fuzzing. You gave her that wet over there two dollars and ninety-eight cents but you only gave me two dollars. Mhm. I need another. Persecution broke up. Okay. I a few more. So we have a few more. This is good. This is really good. Marion and Aaron What do you mean? Not everybody can be a prophet. What are you talking about? I can be a prophet too. I know as much as you do Moses. Mm hmm. God himself never said anything about Miriam being a prophetess. Who are we to say who's a prophet and who isn't a prophet? Mm hmm. And so boom they had trouble. Cora. 250 of them. So I'm just saying I'm not saying don't deal with sin. God says there's a way to deal with it. And it's amazing. And I don't I don't care if y'all believe me or don't believe me. It doesn't matter. I'm not going to make my boat float. But I can tell you I can get madder and fire at somebody in sin. I want to knock the daylights out of them. But when I get down on my knees comes in my heart and all I can do is pray for mercy because I think if it wasn't for the mercy and the grace of God that could be me. Mm hmm. And you know that's right. Yep. You know that is true. Mhm. And it brings mercy on the inside of your heart and it gets you to a place to where you just you can't you can't judge or you can't criticize because you know if God what would happen to me if I hadn't believed to see the goodness of God in the land of the living. And so yeah we're going to deal with sin but there's a way to deal with it. And we just and if there are people out there that I the churches that we pastored and one famous one I had to deal with some wild people I had this this two guys came in one night and they were like okay we demand to see then I said oh yeah what do you want to talk to them about and they said well we're the new apostles in town and we just want them to know that this church is under our jurisdiction and I said, yeah, you think so? I said, so you started this church? Anyway so when I got finished they weren't there anymore. So there's a way to deal with people. Yeah. That think there's something that they're not. But we need to be merciful. That's what I'm saying. I got enough scripture to prove what I'm saying. And what it does is it puts us to a place where we can't. What would you do if you were Balam? And God is saying do not curse them. Mhm. And you so hard headed that a donkey has to talk to you. Yeah. That's such a great point. Yup, that is such a great point and I just see like, you know, you you talked about, I mean, it does walk through how to you know, there's a difference between scrutinizing somebody's scrutiny and malicious intent. You know, okay. So, like there is a way that like you go to the person individually, you try to talk to em if they won't listen then you bring two or three people with you but what we're seeing today which is a major concern for me and this is why Flyover family because there's there's consequences to the body of Christ but there's also consequences you that you may be unaware of. When you are firing at the prophets, let's say you're going on social media or you're coming into a comment section or whatever and you are firing bad things at the or the prophets. That is in no way trying to help them in any way, it's malicious intent because it's not going to help them. You're not you're not following anything biblically what God's called you to do. So, what that does is it causes division in the body of Christ because we're firing at each other. It's causing division instead of unity but the second thing is it's opening you up for a possibility of bad things coming into your life because now it's a place that the enemy can get into. It's not God being like, oh you are punished, maybe so. We saw it with Elisha when he get the she bears came out you know and forty-two young men were killed by the she bears because of what they did but their mouths and coming after a prophet but it could also just be the enemy in allowing the enemy a place in your life. Can you talk a little bit about that Ginger because you and I have had conversations about it and I think it's important for people to be aware of. I don't think people understand the power of our words. Nope, because Satan doesn't know anything like we open our mouth but he has all these familiar spirits so he's looking to see where he can knock us off And you know I told you that scripture. I'll find it real fast. It's in so Isaiah twenty-nine or Isaiah thirty. And it talks about the last few verses. It talks about that he stands at the gate and he's waiting. He's watching to get a word to accuse you. Let me see if I can find it real fast. Uh to accuse you. Mhm. So that's what Satan does. He's waiting. He's he's wanting to let's see. Where is it? He's wanting to bring you down and he's just waiting to get a hold of you. Let me see if I can find here. Okay. It's Isaiah 2-9 and or you can start with verse twenty. He's talking about the terrible one and also causing the Assyria, that's amazing, shall come to not and then get down and he's talking about Assyria. Now, talking about in verse twenty-eight that all those who watch for iniquity as an accusation, as an occasion for accusation shall be cut off. He's talking about somebody that's looking to try to accuse Satan is the accuser. Yep. Revelation twelve verse ten. Okay. 21. That make a man an offender and bring condemnation upon him for a word and lay a trap for him and a just think think what I'm saying. Look at this scripture. Verse twenty-one. To bring condemnation upon him for a word and lay a trap for him who upholds justice at the city gate. Look what's happening to our former president. Yep. Oh my gosh. And even the one that calls himself, we need to watch it. What we're saying and and thrust aside the innocent and truly righteous with an empty prick. Um if you read on down through there you're going to see that God says we have to be careful. We don't know on heart. Jeremiah says your heart's wicked above all things. You don't even know your own heart. And so sometimes when we're saying stuff or we being vindictive and we think we're being holier now. Miss Goody Two Shoes. Mhm. Or only God can tell you that. Yeah. He exactly. He can say like something's wrong in there or he can say yeah. And then it's amazing because he knows how to work it around to where he can deal with that if if you're seeing accurately and if you're really genuinely wanting to help that person and the final blow is between them and God. I mean they're not going to listen God said don't worry about it just step back I'll take care of it. Yeah. That's what he did with you know King Herod. Right. And so we need to watch it because what we're doing is Satan is waiting for us to mouth up and say something. And then he goes okay she said that I'm going to remember that. And I tell you I'll tell you a thing that happened me way back. Let me see when was this? Uh maybe 82 or 83. Somebody was call me and asked me to help him cast out some devil. And so I went over there to help him. And I was helping him. I I didn't know what we were doing. But anyway I was trying to help him. And this demon spokes up. It literally spoke up. And this demon said Ginger we know when you said so and so about such and such. Wow. Whoa. Neighborhood. I was like I thought I thought you were all liars but you just told the truth on that one. Wow. And man I said excuse me. I'll be right back. How am I going to cast out a devil to somebody else when I got my own problem? So I went in another room and I got down on my knees and I said so talk to my face God. How we going to get this straightened out? Yeah. That's when I learned that the watching for a word to accuse you at the gate. And so we have to be watchful when we start saying stuff because that those familiar spirits they'll bring it back up and they say okay this is a trap. I can take you down from here. And you know Jesus said whereby our words were judged or condemned that you know it's going to be righteous or the other. So we need to really I know this is hard stuff y'all. I'm sorry. It is but it's so important because I'm I'm seeing it now. I I'm seeing it you know on social media or you know just being around and I'm like okay I even brought a to you the other day where I saw this happen with somebody and then I saw their attack on their life and or and I brought it to you and I'm like okay is this God removing his head of protection from them or is it just the enemy now has a little spots like it's like we're wearing armor and he can find a little place to get in underneath of our armor and you said it was the ladder it's the enemy now has a little place they can get in and so we have to be very careful of the things that we're we're doing and be very aware of that. God has all of the instructions are in this Bible. They're all here. If we just, if we just read it and if we just understand it, we absorb it, he's giving us instruction how to handle everything written thousands of years ago and it's so applicable today because it's living. It's still alive. That's right. That's his and you know, if we can just remember, God is for us, God is for us, God is for us, Satan's against us, Satan's against us, Satan's against us and so we want to give God everything we can so he can help us and we want to make sure we don't give the devil anything that's going to make it worse on us we want to we want to work we want to cooperate with God especially with our words and I'm not talking about acting like you're not sinning didn't I? That's what prayers for. I mean getting there and just say I I could not tell you. I bet God has kept up with how many times I said Lord my heart is wicked above all things. Tell me what time of day it is. I want to get it straightened out because I have something messed up in and I want to know what it is because I don't want to do this. This is not, I don't want to think like this. I don't want to act like this. This is not me. I don't want this and we have to stay in that place and some people would say like that you know, whatever you're making a bad confession. I'm making a bad confession, that's the truth. Yeah. And I'm. Just being honest and humble. That was something I talked to you about too where it's okay. Let's say that I'm dealing with something or even like hear a word, a prophetic word or something from a prophet and I don't understand it or I'm like, man, I don't know discernment inside me. I'm like, I'm not too sure About that. That's where I bring it to the Lord in humility and be like God this is what I'm seeing. I'm not trying to judge that person. I'm just bringing it to the Lord. You know what do I do with this? And it's like a child that's coming to their parents and being like hey I have a situation. How do I deal with it? It's humbly coming before the Lord. There's God doesn't have a problem with us asking about it. It's where what is our heart's position? Are we spiritually nitpicking? Are is there a malicious intent or is there and what do I do with this and I there's definitely a difference and God knows the difference. And and the thing is sometimes people say something to me and I just go like I get it. What are we talking about? Sometimes you just don't get what somebody's saying. The prophet saying I look like they're talking like in a rhyme or something. I didn't get it. Right. And it's just my maturity level or it could be they don't talk in Texas. They were talking in New York. I mean like okay. And it's okay. I mean like you know some people talk a different language. And so we just need to be honest and go I I didn't quite get that. But God is so merciful. Then he'll send somebody that can say the same thing. But they'll say it in a way you can grasp it. Yeah. And and like I I just have to say this like Annie way back in nineteen eighty-six. I started helping Annie learn how to pray. This is way back when we pastored MIC. And any talks and word pictures. Well, you can tell I don't. One, two, three. Yes, no, do don't and so I was like, she's so intelligent and I would like, she get through talking. I go, And so finally I was like whatever. So I could never understand what she was saying. So one day I was talking to Cherry my daughter and I said gosh I know she's got an answer but I don't know exactly what the answer is. And so Sherry said Mom you gotta learn to think in word pictures. You think so practically you don't think in word pictures. And I said okay. So every time and now I still know Annie. She still prays with us. And so I think I think I mean and then I have people come up to me and they go I don't understand thing she said. I said oh I understood the whole thing. And you're like you gotta think and work back in those days I was like duh. When I first started listening to Chuck Chuck Pierce I was like what that guy just say? But I could pick up one of his books. I can get it just like that. So when you're dealing with the different prophets you might need to read their words and you can understand it. Yeah. Or it might be it might be somebody else will say the same fact. I told Joseph Z this a couple of days ago. I said I'm so thankful you talk like you do understand everything you're saying. Because he talks on somehow yeah yeah what's up there. Yeah. And so you just like when you go to you're getting something from a prophet and you go eh just say Lord is it me? And I don't understand their lingo? Can I read it? Or do you want me to listen to this person over here? Do they say it? Like Jeremy Jeremy's sitting here does a computer. And he's heard me say this so many times. I go Jeremy you're talking in Greek. I don't know what you just said that we did it today when we were trying to hook up. I said Jeremy I don't know what you're talking about. Just call Colton. He's like I'm sure he was very simple but say I don't understand computer stuff. So it's okay to just say that and then you go and instead of criticizing a prophet just say I I don't know for sure what they said but if God wants me to know it he's going to lead me to the right person or I'm going to gain stand and maybe you're not mature enough right now. Maybe five years from now, you can understand it. Oh, so good. That is so good. Okay, Ginger, as we are wrapping up today, this one's so fast. Again, if you would like today's notes, just text the phone number four zero 5 zero nine. Text the letter GZ to four zero five zero nine. Um Ginger, would you mind praying for the Flyover family before we let you go? Now, father, I come to you now in the name of Jesus and in the power of the Holy Spirit of truth. Lord we just reach out to this whole community that you are reaching through flyover. We reach out to this community and to the communities that they are reaching those people that Father from this day that they could glean something that is making Be able to understand what you are saying through the prophets at this particular time at this moment that they need to know and how they can use that information right now to change where we are in this nation. Yes. To change where we are in time. To change where we are in this day of battle. To change where we are in this this war that Satan is trying to stir up. And to change this division that Satan is trying to stir up among the believers. Father, we just reach out. We know your words, your words are truth. Your words penetrate. Your words have the ability to go in with your grace and change all of our thinkings to where we can see it like you see it. We can comprehend it like you're wanting us to see and understand. So Father I'm asking you to get them lined up just like an army. Get them in their places. Help them to be right at the right time at the right place. And Father use them. Lord I just pray that scripture where when all the those young prophets didn't know that they put poison in the pot. They didn't even know they did something wrong. They were hungry and father the old prophet just went over and put some meal father I'm just I'm just putting some meal some meal in the pot some meal making the food good to eat lord right now we ask you among all the prophets lord those that think they're prophets and are not and those that know the prophets and are the old prophets the young prophets in between prophets and the going to be prophets father we to sprinkle the meal of your word. We sprinkle it right now just like that prophet did. And make this soup good. Make it good. Make it be full of nourishment. That prophet didn't call those young prophets out. That old prophet didn't get onto him. That old prophet didn't say hey watch look what these nuts did. He didn't do any of that. He just fixed. What needed to be fixed. He just made what had been poisonous. Today Father, today, today with your words, with your power, with your truth. Sprinkle and pour in the power of the blood of Jesus Christ that speaks better things better things, better things. We sprinkle the word, the meal of your word, your bread into this teaching today, this time together that people's hearts would have that poison taken out of their hearts so that it's not in their mouths. Me included, Lord, all of us, Stacey, everyone of us. Yes. So that we can have what first Corinthians chapter one verse ten says, there's no schisms, there's no divisions, we're all saying the same thing. And I just thank you Lord. Only you can do that. None of us can do that. The Holy Spirit. The power of the Holy Spirit. I believe I truly believe the Holy Spirit can do that. I truly believe. Yes. That you are doing it right now. And I believe this program is going to be major in helping to heal the wounds in the body of Christ. In Jesus name. Amen and amen. Whoo. Whoo. So powerful. Thank you God. Thank you God. Flyer family I know I've brought this book up over and over again. I want to show y'all something from our show last week. Ginger, you haven't seen it. I don't believe. It was a comment from one of the listeners about your book and it's so true and I wanted everybody to hear it. It's from Kimmy Joe 89 and it says, think I've bought ten and given away probably seven His Blood Speaks so far and I have a sister in Christ who has given away almost as many. My husband and I have read it twice and I'm currently using it for Women's Bible study I'm leading. This book is life changing. Planning to read through it with my husband again next month. Like yes, this book is the answers that we are looking for. It's it's all biblically based. God told Ginger write it back in the 90s but she just released it over the last couple of years and this book, it's one, it's a devotional. It's 31-day devotional. So, let's say that you order it off Ginger Ziggler. com and you receive it on the twenty-ninth. You can go to day twenty-nine, you read through day twenty-nine and then the the next beginning of the next month, you just start on day one. This book, it's a it's a few pages that you read each day and you just read it over and over and over again. Again, I don't care if you've been a Christian all your life. I don't care if you are a pastor, you've been to ministry school, or you're brand new and you just met Jesus recently. This book is for you. It is such a great book. You want to get it. When you go to Ginger Ziglar. com. This is where can get the book. I love it Ginger. I love this book. In fact, as I was waiting you for you today, I was reading through you the day for today. I was like, oh my gosh, this is so, it's always just a great reminder of what God is doing. So, thank you for writing this book and thank you for being obedient to what the lord's called you to do. And Stacey, before we go off, I did just want to say one more thing. I did have my second book is going to be coming out pretty soon. Yay. Prophetic Praye and so it probably in September so we'll be talking more about that later so. I'm excited. I've read part of it and I cannot wait. I read it maybe like two months ago and I was like, can we get it now? It's so good. Well it's supposed to be out the first September so well we believe we're on schedule for it so some of the things that we've been covering it'll help a little bit. That is so good. Again Flyover family again for the session notes you can just text the phone number 40509 the letter G Z and Ginger thank you again for your time we really appreciate it we love you and I'm just so thankful for everything that you've learned and your willingness to share with all of us we really appreciate it. Hello, Flyover family. Join me every Wednesday for the Prophetic Report at 11eleven Central. You can find it on Rumble. You can find it on the Flyover app. We have such an incredible time of hearing from all of these different prophetic voices like Robin Bullock, Julie Green, Barry Wench, Amanda Grace, and Hank Kuneman. Every week, it's either