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attack against our servers and saturated all of our all of our data lines like basically hundreds

of gigabytes of of data were saturated.We've we think we've overcome most of that.And so it's not time to proceed.

But as, as this this massive attack illustrates, there's a lot of opposition to people just hearing what President

Trump has to say.And so, but I'm honored to have this conversation.I want to emphasize it's a it's a conversation and it's really

intended to just get get a feel for what Donald Trump is just like in a conversation.So it's hard to catch a vibe about

someone if you just don't hear them talk in a normal way.And when you know, when there's when there's an

adversarial interview, like no one's themselves in an adversarial interview.So for, and this is really aimed at kind

of open minded independent voters who they're just trying to make up their mind.And so you can understand like

what what is, you know, what does it just like to have a conversation?So I wanted to Donald, great, great to to speak.

We had a a great conversation yesterday.As as you mentioned yesterday, if we could just record that

conversation and post it, it would have been excellent.I hope we can have something like that today.

Well, I think we will.I'm pretty sure we will.And congratulations because I see you broke every record in

the book with the so many millions of people and it's an honor.We view that as an honor.And then you do want silencing

of certain voices.Usually those are voices that have something to say that they're constructive,

often times constructive.And so we have to consider it an honor.But congratulations on breaking

every record in the book tonight.That's great.Well, thank you.Well, maybe we can start off with, I mean,

the assassination attempt, which was an incredible thing.And I have to say that, you know, your actions after that nest,

that assassination attempt were inspiring.You know, you instead of shying away from things, instead of ducking down,

you were pumping your fist in there and saying fight, fight, fight.And I think that's, I mean, you know,

the, the, the President of the United States represents America.And I think that is that is America,

that is, that is strength under fire.And so that's, you know, a big, you know, part of the reason why I was

excited to endorse you as the, the the President of the United States for having enough term here is that was that was just

incredibly inspiring.But, but I mean, what was it like for you?Not pleasant.I said it was.I didn't know I had.

I didn't know I had that much blood.The doctors later told me that the ear is a place that is a very bloody place if you're going

to get hit.But in this case, it was probably the best alternative you could even think about because

it went at the right angle and, you know, it was it was a hard hit.It was very, I guess you would say surreal,

but it wasn't surreal.You know, I was telling somebody, you have instances like this or like a lot less than this where

you feel it's a surreal situation.And I never felt that way.I knew immediately that it was a bullet.

I knew immediately that it was at the ear.And because it, you know, it hit very hard, but hit the ear.And I also heard people shout

bullets, bullets, you know, get down, get down because I, you know, I moved down pretty nicely pretty quickly and we had bullets flying

right over my head after I went down.So I'm glad I went down.The the bigger miracle was that I was looking in the exact direction

of the shooter.And so it hit, it hit me at an angle that was far less destructive than any other angle.

So that was the miracle.That was for those people that don't believe in God.I think we got to all start thinking

about that.You have to, you know, I'm, I'm a believer now.I'm more of a believer, I think.And a lot of people have said

that to be a lot of great people have said that to me actually.But it was, it was amazing that I happen

to be turned just at that perfect angle and all because I put down a chart on immigration that showed

that the numbers were so great.I I love that chart even more now.Maybe that's a sign, you know, it's an immigration sign.

You, you highlighted a serious issue.Yeah, at that moment.That's right.The bullet Mr.you know, hit your ear.

But but but you know, Mr.Mr.Mr.your head, I mean your well, the amazing thing is that the sign I said bring down that sign

on immigration and it was literally about an eighth of a second where it would be good.And and after that it was going

to be a disaster no matter which which way you were facing.But it just had that that perfect angle, which was exactly at this shooter.

Very sad situation, such a sad situation.As you know, we lost somebody that was great Corey, who a firefighter,

a great gentleman, a great a great Trumper.He was a just a fantastic family and a fantastic man.And a friend of mine came up Elon

and said I'd like to give the family some kind of help.And I said, all right, that's great.He said, do you mind?

I said, I don't mind at all.And he wrote out a check for $1,000,000 gave, gave it to the wife and you know,

she said this is really nice, but I'd rather have my husband back, which is a nice thing to somebody to say,

to be honest.She's, she's great.The family is great.And we raised a lot of money for them and for two other gentlemen

were, are unbelievable people.Also.They were hit really badly.They thought they were not going to make it and they did.

The doctors in the Butler area, I tell you, they were incredible.They saved the two and they were really hit tough,

both of them equally.And we thought we, my first question was because I heard bullets flying over me.

I said how many people were killed?Because we had a massive crowd there, a tremendous, yeah, thousands and thousands of people.

And there was number land.I mean, it was just, it was all people.So I said how many people have been killed?

Because I knew there were other shots being fired.And sure.And they said we don't know yet, but some people have been badly

hurt.And I have to give the Secret Service sniper, they call him or sharpshooter, but sniper, because he didn't know there

was a problem.He's been, he's an extraordinary shot, obviously.And he didn't know there was a problem.

And he was able to pick-n-pull out within 5 seconds.And he used one bullet from very far away, I guess probably about 400 yards.

The shooter was 130, but he was on the, he was on the opposite side of the field and the podium and he saw the,

the smoke and the flame from the gun, immediately recognized it and immediately took a shot.And it was one perfect shot from

very far away.And, and if he, if he didn't do that, Elon, he would have, I mean, if he would have a lot of people,

a lot more people have been, could have been badly hurt and killed.So I, I don't have to take my hat off

to him because that's also a surreal, you know, you've been with them for 23 years and there's, he's never had anything like

this.And all of a sudden he has to act.And it's a very tough thing to act and to be shooting somebody.But he saw the,

he saw the gun, saw the smoke, saw the flame from the gun very far away.I obviously has very good eyes.He's got very good vision,

which I assume you have to have in that particular work.But he, he took aim very quickly and it was, they say it was approximately

5 seconds from long range, one bullet.If that didn't happen because the shooter had a lot of bullets,

he had a lot of, a lot of cartridges over there with him.So I mean, I mean that that that's clearly, you know,

you know, he was, he was very competent in taking that shot to stop the, the assassin, the attempted assassination.

But but I mean, there does seem to be, I mean, some pretty significant failings elsewhere in the system.

Like there's just no way that like how on earth does a shooter get on a roof 130 yards away?That seems crazy.

I think most people like what people are wondering how that how on earth could such a thing happen?

Well, you know, I view it as two ways.There should have been nobody in the roof.There were people because there

were so many 10s of thousands of people there.There were people that were seeing him, and there was one woman with

a red shirt and Trump all over it, and she's screaming and that guy's got a gun.You know, you saw it probably.

Yeah, Yeah, yeah.There's a guy up there with a gun.It's like I'm just.I'm just, I guess.I mean, fine, for my part.

And I think probably many members of the public are wondering how the heck are, you know, basically people wondering by

pointing out there's a guy on the roof with a gun.Yeah, and they're seeing it, but somehow that's it's not being

addressed that that does seem crazy.Well, they're going to learn from this, the communication.In between the local police who

sort of had an idea and then ultimately a man lifted himself up to the roof, could barely do it because,

you know, he was pulling himself up and he saw the man with the gun, the man with a gun pointed the gun at him.

He thought he was probably going to get shot, but you know, who's like pulling himself up and because of that,

he couldn't get to his gun.And he fell down actually very badly hurt his leg, his ankle, I hear very badly.

But but he fell down and he did, you know, from what I understand, he did say there's a guy up there with a gun And the,

the shooting started very quickly after that.I think it I think it forced the shooter to go maybe quicker.

You know, you're supposed to be a very good shot.Yeah.My sons Don and Eric, they, they can't believe what happened,

but they said from 130 yards a bad shot would hit that target almost every time.They said it's like in golf thinking

a 2 foot putt.Yeah, it's, it's not a hot, it's not a tough shot.It's not a, it's not a long shot.The Secret Service person had

the long shot.He had a, you know, triple the distance actually.So, you know, it's, it was a, a terrible thing.

It look, it's, it's hard, I have to say this about the Secret Service when I went down and you know, I went down based on I think

they're screaming, but other people also, because people saw this happen.You know, you had so many people.

One of the miracles was that nobody ran.I mean, if a gun goes off, the crowd control people showed that,

showed us this when guns go off and it does happen in stadiums at a soccer match or some kind of a match,

everybody flees.They call it a Stampede like cattle, but everybody and a lot of people get killed with those stampedes.

We had more people than you'd have it, you know, some of these matches or, or these games and nobody left.

You know, you had a, a small group behind us in the grandstand and that was full.And you look at it as it was taking

place.And normally they'd be running.They didn't leave.They saw that I was hurt.They saw a lot of blood and they

saw that I went down.And it's almost like they wanted to be with me.Well, out front you had thousands,

10s of thousands of people you as far as the eye could see.You had people in Butler as far as the eye could see.

And, and, and a lot of press too.It was, you know, many cameras on watching this.It's what mate makes it so different

because normally things happen that aren't good, but you never have a picture over here.We have all these cameras shooting

it.So, you know, sort of amazing.But one of the interesting things was that you didn't have anybody flee.

You didn't have anybody Stampede nobody.And there was some people behind me.They stood up and they're looking

like, you know, I mean, I'll tell you want to have you want to have them in a foxhole with you.I want to meet some of those people

because it's so different from what you heard.But so, so I was down, but the Secret Service guys, there were bullets flying right

over my head.You could hear him go whizzing.And these guys came jumping on top of me and a young lady,

Kate would jump.They they moved so fast.And let me tell you, that took tremendous courage.Now there was a lack of coordination.

There was, you know, obviously everybody understands that somebody that that building should have been covered.

And yeah, I mean, that was the big thing.I mean, I mean, looking at the the aerial views, that building would be like the

number one spot for a sniper.I mean it's like, it's like the if you were to pick like what is the favorite,

if you so if the goal is to assassinate, what's your favorite spot?That building?That building would be number

one.That would have been this one.It's like you can you can ask for a better location.It's like, no, that would have been this one.

You know, what people think is when the local policeman, who by the way, you know, he really, he did what he was supposed to

do, he couldn't hold on any longer.And then when he got his head just peeking above this guy standing

there with a gun at his head and when he fell down again, hurt his ankle very badly.But he was making the calls.

But what happened is the firing took place very soon.So what they think is that this guy ran to his site,

which he had all planned out with a gun.He ran to the site and he started shooting fast.And maybe that's why he,

well, he sort of missed.I mean, you know, he yeah.But as you say, he could have been, he could have been, could have been a much bigger

problem.But he totally would have hit if, if, if you hadn't turned your head.So.But like, you know, there was a it was a very near

thing.It was a miracle.If I hadn't turned my head.Yeah.I would not be talking to you right now as much as I like you.

Exactly.I would not talking to me from another realm.Yeah, that's right.We'd be talking from a different.

Place, but it was a it was a you know it was a very terrible experience The the Butler Hospital.They did such a great job.

The doctors were so good.Everybody was so good.There was there was a mistake if if somebody knew because people

were hearing that you know there's just a bad feeling that there was somebody was around.You know that story now it's been.

Yeah.And if somebody could have said, because they've often times said, you know, like it'd be a lightning storm

or something, because I've done I think over 300, I think I did a lot more that, but we did a lot.And oftentimes they'll say,

Sir, could you wait 10 minutes, please?Sir, could you wait 20 minutes?There's the storm overhead or lightning or something,

right.And that happens often.And this would have been a perfect time for that to have happened.But if it didn't,

it didn't get coordinated.That was the problem.Well, it was your, I think your, your actions in the, in the heat of fire in,

you know, like whatever I find admirable there was that you, you can't fake bravery under such circumstances.

The courage is instinctual or it is not.It's not a rehearsed action.And so I just want to say that I think a lot of people admire

your, your, your courage under fire there.And yeah, so thank you very much.I, I appreciate it.I didn't, I don't think I didn't think

of it.I just want to get up and I want to stand up.I want to let people know, you know, I felt I was good when when they

were on top of me, covering me, actually very much covering me and, and very bravely.But I wanted to get up.

I said I want to get up.And they wanted, you know, they had, they have everything there.They have, they wanted stretcher.

I didn't like the stretcher and I knew I was hit in the ear, but I knew I wasn't hit anywhere else.They felt I was hit someplace.

It was such a lot of blood and they were sure that I was hit someplace else.And they were saying, Sir, what you,

you, you were hitting more than the year.I said, Nope, I was hit in the air.I want to get up, let me get up.And so we I got up and the crowd

didn't know what to think.I mean, this was so, so many people.And they did, you could see they were confused.

They didn't know what to think.And I wanted to let them know I was OK.It was very important for me to let them know that.

And they went wild.You you've seen the after.They didn't go wild when I got up because they didn't know was

I alive?You really couldn't tell when I stood up before the hand, before the, you know, the fist in the air.

They didn't know if I was alive.Nobody did.And when I put the fist up, they were, they were just relieved and happy

and thrilled and the place went crazy.It was pretty amazing.It was a it was a terrible thing, but it was it was incredibly

moving.Yeah.Well, and, and I mean, Speaking of the, the, the, the, the sort of slide that got you to turn that save your life really

was the illegal immigration slide.Maybe this, maybe this is worth talking about about that it was,

it was that slide.That slide says save your life.Now the illegal immigration saved my life.You're right,

but they had to be at that exact angle.I mean, that's, that's a great one.Saved, saved by illegal.You know the the incredible thing

though, when you talk about the odds, you had to be exactly at that angle.But, but the incredible thing is that

the chart, I used it less than 20% of the time, it was just a moment.It's always on my left, never my right,

and it's always at the end of the speech.So here we have it.It's on the right, not the left.It's at the beginning,

not the end.And even the people that put it up, they were unprepared and, and they did a great job.They got it up immediately,

fortunately, but I look to the right and, and the bullet and the bullet came whizzing by hitting my ear.

So it was amazing.But when you think of the odds of that and you know that, that normally you wouldn't use

it.Normally I wouldn't have the thing and then, you know, it would have been a very different story.It's,

it's very much I, I say an act of God.It's a miracle that it happened and I'm honored by it.I'm honored by it.

Well, well, what what, what, what, what were you, what were you about to say about illegal immigration before you

were rudely interrupted?Well, I was going to say how good the numbers were.By the way, we're going back to Butler and

we're going to go back in October.We're all set up and we're the people are fantastic.And Butler's a big,

it's a great area.Great.These are incredible people like the three that in the case of Corey killed and the other two

the the families are.I got to know him a little bit and the the family.But we're going back to Butler,

and I think I'll probably start by saying, as I was saying prior to being so horribly interrupted, but yeah,

so.Really interrupted by an yeah attempt.No, but the charge some people have have no matter Ilan, the chart was just a chart that

in my last week we had the best illegal immigration numbers, meaning stopping it was at the lowest.

You've seen the chart.It's become a quite a famous yeah, but that was the lowest point ever recorded.

It was a really I mean, I was very proud of those numbers.And then you see what happened with these people,

Kamala and Joe, you see what happened.They just let it go.I had remain in Mexico policies.I had all these different policies.

That was so good.Guys like Tom Holman and Brandon Judd from Border Patrol, all these are all people that

they've been on television.It says the best numbers we've ever had.We had so many different checks,

catch and release in Mexico, not the United.We had catch and release in the United States.We had it in Mexico.

We had so many things.We had things where if people, many people come in there, they have contagious diseases.

We had everything passed.If you have a contagious disease, I'm sorry, but we can, we cannot allow you into the

country.So we were setting literally records and I all I was doing is showing that.And I, I use it sometimes.

And in this case, I'm glad I used it.I can tell you that.But but there were fantastic numbers.But I'm going to sleep with that

yard always.I'm going to, I'll be sleeping with that chart.That chart was, was very important, very important for a lot of reasons.

Well, I mean, I mean, would it be accurate to, would it be accurate to say that you're supportive of legal immigration,

but that, but we also need to shut down illegal immigration and especially unvetted illegal immigration

because you, you know, and, and that's, that's not the same as saying that everyone who is an illegal immigrant is bad.

In fact, I think most people who are illegal immigrants are actually good.But but you can't tell the difference

unless there's a solid betting of who comes across the border.Does is is does that is that actually

represent your position?I say it very simply.They have to come in legally.They have to be checked because

look, Kamala was the borders are now she's denying it.Everything that I do.She's saying she was strong on

the border.We're going to be strong.Well, she doesn't have to say if she could close it up right now, they could,

they could do things right now.It's it's horrible.No tax on tips and all of a sudden she's making a speeches and there

will be no tax on tips.I said that months ago.And by the way, they had just the opposite.You know, they had not only tax on tips,

but they hired 88,000 IRS agents and many of them were assigned to go get waitresses and caddies and all of this on tips.

They have a policy.They had a policy.They were really going to go after you.And we're really harassing people

horribly.And then all of a sudden for politics, she says, you know, she comes out with with what I said,

which I think is terrible.And I think it's also hitting them very hard.These people are fake.Now they're also saying they did

a good job in the border.We had the worst numbers in the history of the world, not of our country.There's never been a country in

history that has had a catastrophe like this.We've had, I believe, and I think you believe this too.You know,

you hear 12 million, third, I believe it's over 20 million people came into our country, many coming from jails,

from prisons, from from mental institutions or a bigger version of that is insane asylums.And many are terrorists.

And I'll tell you what, they're they're coming not just from South America, they're coming from Africa,

they're coming from all over the world.They're coming from Asia.Yeah, coming from the Middle East.

They're coming from countries that are stupidly and horribly bombing Israel October 7th.They're coming from all over the

world.They could.And you know, you look at it's so sad October 7th, because it should have never happened.

Yeah, it's so sad when you look at Ukraine.It should have never happened.We have a defective government.

These are defective people, and they're not people that should be running it.But where you see it the best

is the border, because you had, you have millions of people coming in a month.And then she gets up and she tries

to pretend like she's going to do something.She had 3 1/2 years.And by the way, they have another five months

that they can do something, but they won't do anything.It's all talk.She's been competent and he's

incompetent.And frankly, I think that she's more incompetent than he is.And that's saying something because

he's not too good.Yeah, No, I I think it's, it is essential to have a secure border.I mean, you're, you're really not a country unless

you're a secure border and and secure elections too.Yeah, absolutely secure elections.And so, so it's,

it's just essential to have a real border or, or, or we, we can't function as a country and our service,

you know, our central services are.Are being overwhelmed in a lot of cities and, but I, as we were talking about earlier,

I think having a legal immigration process that is smooth and efficient and done well.And I, you know,

speaking as someone who is illegal immigrant, and I think that, that, I mean, like, one way to think of it is who

do you want on your team?You know, who like, who do you want on Team America?And, and I think we want to just say,

OK, we, we, we want to let in people who are going to, you know, be great contributors to our society and to our economy.

And, you know, and who do you want on the team?And it's, and, and it's not to say that like in, in my opinion,

actually, I'd say like probably most of the illegal immigrants actually are, are, are actually good hard working

people.That's my opinion.But some are not.And, and, and you just have this sort of adverse selection process where

you know, if, if, if somebody's, you know, if, if somebody's like, you know, has a career in, in theft, robbery.

I don't understand what's taken them so long to get here because we are such a target rich environment.

I mean, you know, why aren't they?Why aren't more people who have a career in, you know, bad things coming here sooner?

But.You have a lot of people that just shouldn't be.I think it's a much bigger number than you think.

They're allowing, again, they're allowing people from their jails.And if you were running one of these countries where they're

coming from, you would have had all of them.As an example of Venezuela.Their crime is down 72%.They're taking their drug dealers.

They're taking, frankly, they're prisoners.They're emptying out their prisons.They're taking their criminals.

They're murderers, they're rapists and they're they're delivering them into.That's what that's what Castro.

Yeah.Well, they did on a much smaller scale.You know, it was a much smaller scale.But this is a massive scale because

this is being done worldwide.But here's what's happening.Crime all over the world is down.And wait till you see the numbers

that we have.You know, these this is migrant crime.This is crime that's that's going to be.And I saw it today in New York

where somebody was knifed, where they raped the girlfriend of a man that stood there watching in New York in one of the shelters

and started pulling out the knives.And bad things happened today.But this is happening every day.

These are rough people.These are people that are in jail for murder and all sorts of things.And they're releasing them into

our country and they're telling them if you come back, we're going to kill you.We're going to give you the death

penalty or kill you.So they don't want to come back.But these are rough people.These are criminals that make

our criminals look like nice people.And it's horrible what they're doing.And and she's in charge of it

because, you know, now she's trying to say she had nothing to do with it.And she's such a liar because

she was called the borders are the first day and it was on the headlines of every newspaper.She's the borders are and she

never even went there.She went to one location which had nothing to do with where the problem is.You know,

she went in and out, I guess because she was getting a lot of pressure, had nothing to do with the problem,

but she was.The borders are and you people can't allow them to get away with their disinformation campaign.

Now she's trying to say that she wasn't, she wasn't really involved and the whole thing is horrible.

She was totally in charge.She could have shut the border down without him.He didn't know what he was doing

anyways.He wouldn't have even know what happened.You could shut the border down.He wouldn't even know the difference.

But the fact is that she was borders door.But if you don't have to call her that, the fact is you could just call

her.She was in charge of the border and the border was the worst ever.It's simply not working.Whether whether it's by,

whether it's, by whether it's a question of, of intention or competence, either way.We, we, we, we don't have a secure border

and we have people streaming over like it looks like a world World War Z zombie apocalypse at times.

And you know, sometimes you, you, you got to sort of wonder like, is it real or not?So I, you know, because you see things you're

like, is it real?I so I went to the border at Eagle Pass and I saw it for myself in Texas and I was like, OK,

it's real.I'm like seeing this in real time.I actually posted the video like just live.I'm just, I just flew there one day and

just to see, hey, is this is this, is this made-up or real?And I'm, I'm just seeing people stream across the border and,

and I have to say, you know, at least the people I saw did not look friendly.You know, these people look at my video

and say, Hey, you know, these people look friendly.I don't look super friendly.So these, the people that Elon would not

be the same man if he had to walk across the street and look these people in the eye.These are rough people.

These are really rough people coming across and I know rough people and these are people that we don't want in our country.

And you know, the caravans are coming in and they're putting and and who's doing this as the heads of the

countries and you would be doing it.And so would I and everyone say, oh, what a terrible thing to say.The fact is it's brilliant for

them because they're taking all of their bad people, really bad people.And I hate to say this, the reason the numbers are much

bigger than you would think is they're also taking their non productive people.Now these aren't people that will

kill you.We have enough of them.But these are people that are non productive.They they are just not productive.

I mean, for whatever reason, they're not workers or they don't want to work or whatever.And these countries are getting

rid of non productive people in the caravans in many cases.And they're also getting rid of their murderers and their drug

dealers and the people that are really brutal people.And they're coming into our country levels that have never been seen

before.And I saw an ad just before I got on the air, I'm I'm walking over here and I saw an ad by Kamala saying

how she is going to provide border security.Where has he been for 3 1/2 years?For 3 1/2 years?Yeah.No,

no, we have 20 million people for it.Yeah.I think this, frankly, I think this is a fundamental existential issue for the United

States.And if we have another four more years of of open borders and it's going to be even worse with

another four more years, it's going to be even worse than it's been for the past, you know?3 1/2 years,

I'm not sure.We've got a country.You don't have a country left, Ilan.If they get in, you will have 50 to 60 million

people from all over the world, not South America only, you know, we think of South America.We think of Honduras and El Salvador,

Guatemala and Mexico, you know, the four.But it's not that it's everywhere.They're coming in from everywhere.

And I had to stay in Mexico.Yeah.I think this is a, this is a super important point.Like people, it's like basically when I went

down there, I was like, well, where are people from?It's like, it's like almost no one was from Mexico.No,

Mexico.It's just, it's just, it's just the border.It's just the border with Mexico.But the people coming in,

it's, it's, it's Earth, the rest of Earth and, and America is, is only, you know, about four, four or 5% of the population

of Earth.Only take a few percent of the rest of us to overwhelm everything.We're already overwhelmed,

Elon, It's we're overwhelmed.You had to see the news tonight about New York, NY.And I love that place.

And what they're doing to it is horrible.What they're doing to it.And all the courts do is they try and focus on Trump.

OK, then let's focus on Trump, who did nothing wrong.I complain about our rigged election.Elon, what's happened is unbelievable.

You have from Africa, from the Congo.They're coming from the Congo.And 22 people came in from the Congo recently and they're murderers

and they're dropped.They drop them.They take them out of jails, which is very expensive, you know, to maintain the jail.

So they don't do too much maintaining, I can tell you.But they take them out of jails, prisons, they take them out and they bring

them to the United States.They deposit them in the United States and say don't ever come back.You're going to be executed and

they don't want to come back, but they won't come back.Sure, but but they're coming from Africa, they're coming from Asia,

they're coming from the Middle East, they're coming from South America, they're coming from everywhere,

basically.And there are a lot of really bad ones.It's just a, it's just, it's just an everywhere on earth

thing and it's just, it's just not possible for the United States to absorb, you know, everyone from Earth or,

or, you know, even a few percent of the rest of Earth is just not possible.So Elon, we're going to have just that's,

that's to finish this up.We're going to have the largest deportation in history of this country and we have no choice

otherwise.We're going to have a country what they're, what they've done to our country.Think of it with,

with, you know, in Venezuela and in some of these other countries, crime is down 50, sixty, 7080%.And you would be the same.

You would have, you would, yeah.I'll tell you what, Venezuela has not gotten rid of all of them.They've gotten rid of about 70%

of their really bad people.Their jails are about 50% put into the United States.The same with other countries.

Some are 30%, some are at 50%.They're all different.But the bottom line is they're all going to be at 100%.

Why wouldn't you put 100% of?Yeah, And they're doing it right now.While this third rape phony candidate,

don't forget, I beat, I beat Biden.He failed in the debate miserably.And, you know, some people said, oh,

Gee, it's too bad.It's too bad he did so badly or I did well in the bed.You know, the first night they said,

wow, one of the people at CNN said that was the greatest debate performance I've ever witnessed.And then two days later,

they didn't talk about that.They just said he was bad.But that's OK.That's the way I get treated.And I don't mind that at all.

What I can tell you is this it?We cannot have a Democrat.We cannot have her.She's incompetent.She's as bad as Biden in a different.

Yeah.He hasn't done an interview since this whole scam started.And and say what you want, this is the coup.

This was a coup of a president of the the United States.He didn't want to leave.And they said, we can do it the nice way or

we can do it the hard way.Yeah, I'm.They just took him out back behind the shed and basically shot him.

You know what they did with this guy?And I'm no fan of his.And he was a horrible president, the worst president in history.

And one of the reasons he was so bad.First of all, the Israeli attack would have never happened.Russia would never have attacked

Ukraine and we'd have no inflation.And we wouldn't have had the Afghanistan mess, if you think of it,

and we wouldn't have had Afghanistan.But we think of it, we you take a few of those events away and we have a different

world.We would also have no inflation was caused by oil.Yeah.No, no, I think you make an excellent point here,

which is that when other countries can, you know, that that are, you know, are thinking about invading or

doing bad things, when they're thinking about that, they're thinking about, OK, what's the American president

going to do and do they fear the American president?

Or is there someone they they do not respect or and do not fear?And I think they they do, they do they would they have

to rightfully be.I mean, but, you know, look at that the footage of the assassination.They're like, OK,

you know, the President Trump is like, don't mess with me.I mean, that's like, whereas I think people are are

not going to be and they obviously have not been at all intimidated by by Biden and they certainly

will not be intimidated by by Kamala.And you have to really think of that in the context of global security.

That's, that's that if the, if the American president is someone, someone that like, you know, evil dictators are scared of,

that makes a huge difference to the security of the world.So I had a good relationship with Putin despite the Russia,

Russia, Russia hoax that lasted for over 2 years, just a hoax created by Hillary Clinton and Adam Shifty Schiff.

Some just bad people, you know, just sick people, frankly.I mean, Schiff, Schiff is a sick person.He's going to end up probably

being a senator.It's hard to believe.The whole thing is hard to believe, but that, you know, they put our country in danger

with that stuff too.They actually when they make up stories and you have to fight your way out of it for a long

time.But I know Putin very well.I got along with him very well.He respected me.And it's just one of those things.

And he would we would talk a lot about Ukraine.It was the apple of his eye.But I said don't ever do it.Don't ever do it.

You know, I shut down Nordstrom too.That was the big oil pipeline, the biggest, I think a biggest pipeline in

the world going all over Europe.I shut it down.Biden came and then they say I, I, you know, I was, I loved Russia.

I was a friend of Putin and I loved Russia.No, he actually said to me one time, he said, if you're my friend,

I'd hate to see you as an enemy.I shut down his pipeline, the biggest pipeline.They were looking at that fund

and this, this pathetic president gets in there and the first thing you did, one of the early things he did

is he shut down.He, he shut down Keystone XL pipeline, which is our pipeline that would have employed 48,000 people pipeline

workers, shuts it down.That was, you know, a massive job that Obama refused to allow.I allowed it in my first week

because it was jobs that have moved oil and by the way, in a much more environmentally friendly way.

It's underground.It's not a truck that catches on fire or a train that catches on fire.But think of it.

He shut down the XL pipeline is a Keystone XL pipeline, Yeah, shuts that down and he approves the Russian pipeline.

Yeah.Does it doesn't make any sense.It's like it's inconsistent.Certainly the, but I mean, I, I think it's just worth emphasizing

to, you know, to listeners, the, that the, the, the, the immense importance of, of whether the United States

president is intimidating or not intimidating and how much that matters to global security.Because there's some real tough

characters out there.And if they don't think the American president is tough, they will do what they want to

do.I know everyone.And that puts that put that it puts the whole world in danger.Elon, I know everyone of them and I

am well.I know Putin, I know President Xi, I know Kim Jong Un of North Korea.I know everyone of them.And let me tell you,

people will say, oh, this is terrible, he said.I'm not saying anything good or bad.They're at the top of their game.

They're tough, they're smart, they're vicious, and they're going to protect their country.Whether they love their country,

they probably do.It's just a different form of love, but they're going to protect their country.But these are tough people at

the top of their game.And when they see a Kamala or when they see a Biden, Sleepy Joe, they can't even believe it.

They can't believe this happened.All the stuff that you're seeing now, all the horror that you look

at Israel, they're all waiting for an attack from Iran.Iran would not be attacking, believe me.You know,

when I was there, and I say it with respect because I think we would have been good with Iran, I don't want to do anything bad

to Iran, but they knew not to mess around.Iran was broke because I told China, if you buy from Iran oil,

it's all about the oil.That's where the money is.But if you buy oil from Iran, you're not going to do any business

with the United States.And I meant it.And they said we'll pass.Yeah.They didn't buy all other countries.

Likewise, you want to buy, you're not doing business with the United States.And they, they were at a point where they

were, they had no money for Hamas.They had no money for Hezbollah.They had no money for any of these instruments of terror.

And it was amazing.In fact, there were articles when I was leaving, which is hard to believe actually,

especially when you look at what's happened to our country.Our country is so bad right now.It's such a different place.

We were respected.Think of it four years ago, we were so respected to a point where when I said don't buy oil,

they didn't buy oil, but they had no money and Israel would have never been attacked.It is zero chance.

And again, I said to Vladimir Putin, I say don't do it.You can't do it, Vladimir.You do it, it's going to be a bad day.

You cannot do it.And I told him things that what I do.And he said, no way.And I said way, and you know, it's the last time we ever had

the conversation.He would he would never have done.I got along well with him.I hope to get along with well

with them again.You know, getting along well with them is a good thing, not a bad thing.I got along well with you,

John, when I met with President Obama just before entering, you know, it's a sort of a ritual.And I sat down with him and we

talked.It was supposed to be for a very short period of time and turned out to be a long period of time.

I said, what's the biggest problem?He said North Korea.I had that problem.Worked out very quickly.It was nasty at the beginning

with Rocket Man and, you know, all the different things.Yeah.All of a sudden I got a call.There was some epic tweets,

by the way.Yeah, they were.No, they were epic.Everything he said.He said that he has a red button on his desk.

I said I have a red button on my desk too, but my red button is much bigger and my red button works.And then I called him Little Rocket

Man of Little Rocket Man.Anyway, here's the bottom line.All of a sudden I got a call from him and they said they want to

meet, they want to meet me.And we met, as you remember, we met in Singapore.We have met also in Vietnam.And I got along with him great.

We were in no danger.But President Obama, President Obama thought we were going to end up in a war, a nuclear war with him.

And let me tell you, he's got a lot of nuclear stuff too.He's got plenty of nuclear.They can do plenty of damage.

So yes, I mean, it's because, you know, I mean people like like Kim Kim, you know, Kim turn on their respond to

strength.Well, he, he and I got a he and I had a good relation.You know, remember, I remember I met him and and

we walked onto his land.Nobody ever walked onto his land before I walked out.I wouldn't say, let's bring up Secret Service

again.I wouldn't say they were thrilled when I did that.I walked onto his land and it was it was an amazing.

But we were not in danger with him because of me.You know, I always say that we have enemies on the outside and we have enemies

on the inside.We have some really bad people in our government and people that are and controlling of the

people.I mean, I'd mentioned names, but I, I don't, I really don't want to give the credit, but we have some really bit.

And I say they're more dangerous than Russia and China.If if you have a smart president, a president that gets it,

we are not in danger from those countries because they need us and they need our help.I mean, we forced Obama.

If you think about it, Obama and Biden and Bush to a certain extent, in all fairness, forced Russia and China together.

And if you're a history student, the first thing you learn is you cannot let Russia and China aligned.

But then they also got, if you take a look, Iran and they have North Korea.That's, you know, they caught the access of evil.

In the old days you had the axis of evil.Here we have a modern day axis of evil.These are powerful countries,

very heavy nuclear, which is the biggest threat.You know, the biggest threat, it's not global warming where

the ocean is going to rise one 1/8 of an inch over the next 400 years.The big and you'll have more, you'll have more oceanfront property,

right.The biggest threat is not that the biggest threat is nuclear warming because we have five countries now that have significant

nuclear power.And we have to not allow anything to happen with stupid people like Biden.You know, Biden did something with Russia.

There was no chance of him ever going in.And when I left, and then then after I left, they started forming big armies

on there on the border with Ukraine, right?And I looked at that and I thought he was doing that because Putin's

a good negotiator.I thought he was doing that to negotiate.But then Biden started saying such stupid things.

For instance, he said that it can be a NATO country now put Russia for for as long as there's been NATO

has said we're never going to agree to that.And we go right up front and say that.And we did things and said things

through this president with a low IQ, very low IQ.He had a low IQ 30 years ago, by the way, but now he might not even have

a IQ at all.That there is no, there's nothing on the board that goes this law.He said things that were so stupid

that that that war would have been, that war had zero chance of happening if I were there, zero chance.

He was saying everything the opposite, everything the opposite.And it's so sad because many more

people have been killed in Ukraine than you read about.You don't read about how bloody it is and how does it look just

in the two armies you lost a half a million people and and you know, Ukraine's having a hard time Ukraine.

I don't know if you saw the article recently and it's.You don't hear the true story, but if you think about it,

Russia's gone.You know, Russia defeated Germany with us and they defeated Napoleon.You know, they've been around a long time.

They're a big fighting for you.And it's very unfair.And Ukraine now doesn't have enough men.They're now using young men and

very old men to fight.And it's it, we're in a very bad position.And I'm not going to blame exclusively,

but I can tell you I could have stopped that.And a smart president could have stopped that.It wouldn't have happened.

But we had it.We had a man that actually made it.It made it more prevalent.It it, it was so bad, the words that he was using,

the stupid threats coming from a stupid face that he was using.I said this guy's going to 'cause this a war,

he's going to cause this.And let me tell you, it can lead to World War three.That can lead to World War three.

The Middle East can lead to, we have numerous places that could end up in a World War three right now for no reason.

What I think you're right.I think I think people under underrate the risk of World War three and it's just the,

the you know, when, when looking at the risk of global thermonuclear warfare, it's game over for humanity.

And, you know, that's it's something that people have, I think after the end of the Cold War, people have become complacent

about, but they're actually have forgotten that there are currently a lot of nuclear missiles that that

that are that, that have targeting parameters for the United States from other countries.And one of the things we're going

to do is we're going to build an Iron Dome over us with, you know, Israel has it.We're going to have the best Iron

Dome in the world.We need it.And we're going to make it all in the United States.But we're going to have we're

going to have protection because it just takes one maniac to, you know, start something.We're going to have protection

and we're going to have why shouldn't we have an Iron Dome?Israel has one, some other place.You have one that nobody even

knows about, frankly, but Israel has it.We're gonna have an Iron Dome.But you know, with all of that being said,

to me, that's so important, meant the most important.But with all of that being said, the elections coming up and the

people want to hear about the economy and the fact that they can't buy groceries because they don't have enough money to buy

groceries.The inflation has killed them.Food prices are up 5060 even 100% in some cases.And this, this stupid administration allowed

this to happen.And it's a shame.And that's the thing that people most care about, in my opinion.They care about the border a lot.

And we discussed the border at great lengths.And it's nice to have a forum like this where I can discuss

something at length.And by the way, you think Biden could do this interview?Do you think that commonly could

do this interview?They would take a pass now you they could not so that they don't need Ilan, they donate Ilan screaming out

questions.It's it's pretty sad when you think that somebody that does this for a living can't answer

a question or is afraid to do an interview.And in her case, with a very friendly interview, she's got all friendly interviewers.

It's pretty, yes, absolutely.The big thing now is the economy, Elon.And as much as yeah, I mean, I viewed nuclear as the single

most important thing, but a lot of people don't.A lot of people don't understand that.But it doesn't have to.

If I understand that, that's all you need.Because if I was president, you're not going to have that kind of a problem.

But the, the thing that they really is making them angry is what Kamala and Biden have allowed to happen

to the economy.It's a disaster with inflation.The inflation, it doesn't matter what you make.The inflation is eating you alive.

If you're a worker or if you're a, a just a, a middle income person, you can't afford, you know, four years ago,

five years ago, people were saving a lot of money.Today they used it all their money and borrowing money just to live.

It's it's a horrible thing that's happening.And we'll end that.Yeah.A lot of people just don't understand,

don't understand where inflation comes from.Inflation comes from government overspending because the checks

never bounce when it's written by the government.So if the, if the, if the government, it spends far more than it brings

in, that increases the money supply and if the money supply increases faster than the rate of goods

and services, that's inflation.So, so really we need to have, we need to reduce our government spending and we need to re examine.

I think we, I think we need like a government efficiency Commission to say like, Hey, where are we spending money that's

sensible?Where is it not sensible?And and we need to live within our, our means.We, we, we, we're currently adding,

I think a trillion dollars to the deficit every roughly every hundred days.And you know, the, the interest payments on the

national debt have now exceed the defense budget.It's on the order of a trillion dollars.It's interest and it's and it

keeps it keeps growing.I rebuilt our military, largely rebuilt our military did a great job on it, which was so important.

You know, we had jets, we had fighters that were and bombers that was 70 years old and we, we did a great job in that.

Then we by the way.Then we gave 85 billion of it back to Afghanistan, if you can believe it.We gave them 85 billion that,

you know, they're one of the largest sellers of military equipment in the world.They're selling what we gave them.

That was one of the most embarrassing days in the history of our country.But if you think about go, let's go back to the the economy,

we have to bring energy prices down.Energy started it the price of gasoline now your cars don't require too much gasoline.

So you know you're, you have a good and you do make a great product.I have to say I have to be honest with that,

but that doesn't mean everybody should have an electric car.But these are minor details.But your your product is incredible.

But but the gasoline, Elon, is the, the, the cost of energy, not only gasoline, it's the cost of heating your

house and cooling your house that has to come down.It it's gone up 100 percent, 150 and 200%.And that has to come down.

When that comes down and we're going to drill, baby drill.You know, they stopped drilling and then they went back to drilling because

they went back to the Trump policy.But if they won the day after they get into office, we're going to this country will

go out of business because they're going to go to an energy policy that's not sustainable.Wind and different things.

You're not going to have anything.And, and I know you're a big fan of the AI and I have to say that AI, and this is shocking to me,

but AI requires twice the energy that the country already produces for everything.So what you're going to have to

build, we're going to have to build a lot of energy if our country will be competitive with, because that's our primary competitor

for this on the AI.You're going to need a lot of electricity.You're going to need tremendous electricity,

like almost double what we produce now for the whole country, if you can believe it.Sure.Well, just going,

you know, back to this like the this, this this basic thing which the people try to make it sound complicated

is not but inflation is caused by government overspending.Would you would you agree that that we need to take a look at

government spending and and and and have perhaps like a government efficiency Commission that that

just look, tries to make the spending sensible.And so the country lives within.This means just like a just like

a person waste is incredible and it's nobody negotiates prices.You used to have a lot of people making jets and you end up with

two companies and they'll probably try and merge at some point.Yeah, I mean, I I went through it like Air

Force, just a thing like Air Force One.One of the first documents they asked me to sign a general walks

and Sir, would you please sign this document?What is it?Air Force One.That's with Boeing, which is basically two planes,

2740 sevens, and the price was $5.7 billion for two plants.Now.Now they're highly sophisticated.They're even nicer than your plan,

OK, but much more sophisticated.They're very, I won't say what's on it, but they got a lot of stuff on it anyway.

But it's 5.7.I listen, that's a crazy, crazy number.But I said I'm not going to pay 5.7.I'm not going to do it.

I said who made the deal?Obama and his people.I said, well, then I know the deals.No good.I'm not going to do it.

And over a course of about four weeks, by my saying I'm not going to do it, I got the price reduced by $1.6

billion for the exact same plane, other than we had a nicer paint job, if you want to know the truth.But for the exact same plane I

got, I saved what?And I said to Boeing, man, you guys must make a lot of money if you can reduce the price by

that.But now what I do here is that they're going back to the Biden administration and wanting big

cost overruns, you know, because they see these dopey suckers in there and they'll end up getting some of the money

back.But I shaved it by $1.6 billion for the exact same plan.And and you can now take that and multiply that out times thousands

of other items multiplied by the numbers and the astronomical.I agree with you.Well, I mean, if so, so,

I mean, I mean, I, I think it would be great to just have a government efficiency Commission that takes a look

at, at these things and, and just ensures that the taxpayer money there to the taxpayers, hard earned money is spent in

a good way.And, and, and I'd be happy to help out on such a Commission.I'd love if it were form.Well, you, you're the greatest cutter.

I mean, I look at what you do, you walk in, you just say you want to quit.They go on strike.I won't mention the name of the

company, but they go on strike and you say that's OK, you're all gone.You're all gone.So everyone of you is gone and

you are the greatest.You would be very good.Oh, you would love it.But you know, if you look at Argent, well be happy about congratulations.

I just looked at the number of people that are listening to you and I chat.We'll call it a chat, but congratulations.

This is very good.I mean, it's great.It's and and you're an interesting character.You know the new.Head of a place called Argentina

and he was he's a big, you know, he's, he's great and he's a big mega fan.You know that he ran on Mega and he took it to an extreme too.

He ran on Mega and I hear he's doing really a terrific job.It's called make Argentina great again.It worked out perfectly.

He came and they bought a lot of hats he brought over, but he's he's doing a big job.He really cut and I'm hearing

it's starting to do pretty well.Inflation is getting down.You know, they had like thousands are centered.

They had inflation like like not normal inflation.They had the the real deal.But we're going to have that pretty

soon.We we have, I think we have the worst inflation we've had in 100 years.They say it's 48 years.I don't believe it.

I think we have the worst.They don't include a lot of the items that should be included, you know.Yeah,

well, it's, it's, it's, it's just from, from government overspending and, and not just not spending taxpayer

money effectively and, and having, you know, just depart like so many departments, you, you can't even name them all.

And what Malay is doing is, you know, he's, he's cutting government spending.He's, he's simplifying things.

He's having you're putting in regulations that make sense.And I and, and, and we're Argentina overnight

is experiencing a giant improvement in prosperity.But, but it's also a lesson for the United States,

which is that Argentina used to be one of the most prosperous countries in the world.You know, in, in the,

I think in the, in the 30s forties and, and because of bad government policy, it ruined the country.And,

and if you take Venezuela, for example, Venezuela should be incredibly prosperous.They, they have,

you know, phenomenal reserves of, of everything, oil everything.And it should be prosperous.But if the government's wrong,

it, it impoverishes the people.And so I think we should not be complacent in the United States and thinking that and taking

out prosperity for granted, because if, if with bad government policy, we can run the country into the

ground.And that that's, that's just something people should bear in mind.Don't take prosperity for granted.

Well, think of education.So we're ranked at the bottom of every list of the Top 40.We're ranked #40 #38

Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, as different countries are ranked good.Actually, China's pretty close to the top.

There are top six or seven, but we're ranked at the bottom, almost at the bottom, 383940.In other words,

horrible.And yet we spend more per pupil than any other country in the world.So we spend more.And what I'm going to do one of

the first acts, and this is where I need an Elon Musk.I need somebody that has a lot of strength and courage and smarts.

I want to close up Department of Education, move education back to the States where, where, where states like Iowa,

where states like Idaho, you know, not every state will do great because states that basically aren't doing good.

Now you look at Gavin Newscom, the governor of California, he, he's terrible.He's just a terrible job.

So he's not going to do great with education.But of the of the 50, I would bet that 35 would do great and 15 of them or,

you know, 20 of them will be as good as Norway.You know, Norway's considered great.You can name them.I mean,

just this so good.Some of these countries are so good.But if you go into some of these really well run states,

you know, we have states that don't know what debt is.We have states that are have low taxes, no debt, everybody working,

you know, they're really well run.Sure.And maybe they have certain advantages in terms of location,

in terms of, you know, the land or the, the sun, the sun and the water and the whole thing.You know, there are a lot of advantages

that some people.But if you moved education back to the 50, you'll have some that won't do well, but you'll have but it they'll

actually be forced to do better because it'll be a pretty bad situation.But if you think about it, yeah,

you'll have some of these states.I'll bet you'd have 3035 states.It'll be much better.And you know what,

it'll cost less than half what it is in in Washington.And these people don't care about.Yeah, students in these,

you know, far away states.And it will be, will be unbelievable.Yeah.I think you're making a good point

in that if the states have to have to if, if, if each individual, if each state has to compete against other states,

then then people will naturally move to, to states where it's better.Well, like California, you know,

as we said, it's, it's a badly run state.I could go through.I got so many friends that are in those states,

even if they're Democrats.I hate to mention certain states, but Illinois badly run with Pritzker.

He's a he's a real loser.But but you know this, some of these places are just badly run, but you know it's almost going

to force them to run.And they won't do a good initially but but can you're not going to do worse than you're doing

right now.And I would say that the cost, you would cut your cost by 50 or 60% and you'd have a little monitor,

you know, you want to make sure they're teaching English as an example.You know, give us a little English,

right?Sure, right.No, but I mean, I mean, I mean, some of these governors are like are doing so badly.I mean,

they got so many people moving out of their state.They should, they should get U-Haul Salesman of the year award because they're

driving so much U-Haul.It's actually amazing people, people moving out.Isn't it amazing to you as a businessman

that they can even survive like Illinois?So many people are leaving and you wonder how do they survive?

I mean, how do they survive?I saw where you left California and you moved to Texas.Texas does a great job.

But you kn

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