Justifier vs Apologist Debate on Russia vs NATO

Joseph M Lenard debates Kevin Michelizzi on Maverick News. This debate was fueled by some "historical facts" Mr. Lenard made on a Maverick News stream two nights ago that Kevin disagreed with. Rick allowed Mr. Leonard to come back on to explain his statements in more detail. Kevin just happened to hear this at 3 am his local time and joined the show to debate the points with Mr. Leonard. We discussed if "most Ukrainians welcomed Hitler as a liberator of Ukraine from the Nazis," the reasoning behind Russia going into Chechnya and Georgia, missing context behind the Finish invasion by the Soviet Union, and if Kevin is a "Putin Apologist" with a rigid pro-Russia viewpoint.

Key moments:
0:00 Introduction
0:55 Mr Leonard comments on Kevin's earlier report
2:30 Mr Leonard on Julian Assange and Ed Snowden
4:09 Russia and China want Assange jailed too
5:15 Disagreeing with Mr Leonard is confirmation bias
5:59 The Jews, the Jews, the Jews...
8:44 The whole swastika thing
10:26 The Penobscot Building swastikas
11:40 Rick has had enough
12:44 Restarting the show
13:17 References to Finland
14:00 Incorrect statements about the "Russia"-Finland Winter War
14:16 Incorrect statements about the "Russian" invasion of Poland
15:21 Nazi liberation of Ukraine
18:14 Nazis in Ukraine are not pro-Hitler; they are anti-Russia
19:58 Should Putin invade California?
20:28 "Russia's" invasion of Afghanistan, Georgia, and Chechnya
20:46 Mr Leonard's "point" is Russia's historical behavior
21:11 Clinton made Ukraine a defacto member of NATO
21:19 Bush wasn't responsible for Iraq; Clinton was
22:03 Kevin joins the show to debate Mr. Leonard
22:40 Digging deeper on Finland
22:59 The OUN in Soviet Ukraine
24:14 You must give context
25:16 Mr. Leonard admits he's been hyperbolic
25:26 Putin's denazification excuse is a convenient excuse.
26:43 "I was only talking about one side of the issue"
28:21 50% of Ukraine saw/sees Russia as a 100-year oppressor
30:11 The Chechens
30:50 Afghanistan
31:51 Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, and other UN/NATO operations
32:12 Nazi in Canadian Parliament
33:18 Putin should invade Canada
34:02 Maybe the US should invade Canada
34:47 Iran
35:49 CIA regime changes
35:59 Oversimplifying complex issues
36:34 Swastikas (again)
38:21 Russian perspective on Julian Assange
40:17 Corrupt deep-state American government
41:15 Free speech in Russia/Re-educating Ukrainians
44:27 Kevin accused of giving propaganda
44:46 Taking sides and unprovoked attacks
48:21 Who's the apologist?
50:41 He admits he is being one-sided
51:45 Maidan as a CIA operation
52:29 Ukraine as a defacto NATO nation
52;52 Putin wants to reconstitute the USSR
53:22 Who was the threat to Russia?
54:21 NATO is a defensive pact
56:24 Kosovo
57:26 Censorship
1:01:44 No more Pornhub in Canada
1:04:05 The apologies... or not.

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