Jayapal: Rape of Israeli Women Should Be Condemned, But ‘We Have To Be Balanced’ in Our Condemnation

BASH: “I want to ask you about sexual violence and the — it’s kind of remarkable that this issue hasn’t gotten enough attention globally. Widespread use of rape, brutal rape, sexual violence against Israeli women by Hamas. I have seen a lot of progressive women, generally speaking, that are quick to defend women’s rights and speak out against using rape as a weapon of war, but downright silent on what we saw on October 7 and what might be happening inside Gaza right now to these hostages. Why is that?”
Jayapal: “I mean, I don’t know that that’s true. I think what — we always talk about the impact of war on women, in particular. In fact, I remember, 20 years ago, I did a petition around the war in Iraq, saying that — “
BASH: “Have you talked about it since October 7?”
Jayapal: “Oh, absolutely. And I have condemned what Hamas has done. I have condemned all of the actions.”
BASH: “Specifically against women?”
Jayapal: “Absolutely, the rape, the — of course. But I think we have to remember that Israel is a democracy. That is why they are a strong ally of ours. And if they do not comply with international humanitarian law, they are bringing themselves to a place that makes it much more difficult strategically for them to be able to build the kinds of allies, to keep public opinion with them. And, frankly, morally, I think we cannot say that one war crime deserves another. That is not what international humanitarian law says.”
BASH: “With — okay, with respect, I was just asking about the women, and you turned it back to Israel. I’m asking you about Hamas. In fact — “
Jayapal: “I already answered your question, Dana. I said it’s horrific.”
BASH: “Okay.”
Jayapal: “And I think that rape is horrific. Sexual assault is horrific. I think that it happens in war situations. Terrorist organizations like Hamas, obviously, are using these as tools. However, I think we have to be balanced about bringing in the outrages against Palestinians. 15,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli airstrikes, three-quarters of whom are women and children.”
BASH: “And it’s horrible, but you don’t see Israeli soldiers raping Palestinian women.”
Jayapal: “Well, Dana, I think we’re not — we’re not — I don’t want this to be the hierarchy of oppressions.”
BASH: “Right. It shouldn’t be.”
Jayapal: “I think 15,000 people have been killed, Palestinians.”
BASH: “It shouldn’t be, and it — which is horrible.”
Jayapal: “And 2.2 million Palestinians live in a 140-square-mile area, which is about the size of Las Vegas, with a population that is four times that of Las Vegas. And 1.8 million Palestinians right now are displaced. They are living in shelters. They are being told to move to South Gaza. Then South Gaza’s being bombed. They’re being told to move to North Gaza. There are no homes left. The vast majority of infrastructure has been destroyed. This is not the way that we are going to beat terrorism, whether it’s Hamas or some future iteration of Hamas.”