Sold Cloak | Episode 4 - Vigilante Quandary

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After a start as smooth as butter, the expert podcasters (Dan, Ethan, Hammond, and Jack) continued on to tackle vigilante justice. Points discussed include:

• What is a vigilante? Is vigilantism ever appropriate?
• Vigilante justice vs full revolution.
• The odd coincidence of lopsided justice in a politicized atmosphere.
• Biblical example of vigilantism – Simeon and Levi kill the men of Shechem.
• Honesty in justice as apposed to deceit.
• Biblical example v2 – Absalom kills Amnon. The cheese gets a little more binding.
• Why did David do nothing? What should Absalom have done?
• Is vigilante justice simply necessary sometimes, regardless of what is right and wrong?
• Kyle Rittenhouse tangent.
• George Floyd Autopsy.
• Should vigilantes free the Jan 6 detainees? Reasons why that might be a problem.
• King John’s anecdote, and forcing authority before rebellion.
• The difference in “punishment” vigilante justice and “deliverance” vigilante justice.
• Is there a quality to local vigilante justice not found in the judicial system?
• Caning in the town square.
• How dare you escape?
• A teaser on redress of grievances.
• Some wonderful parting advice from Dan.

Corrections:

• 1 Chronicles does not say that the birthright went to Judah. Judah prevailed over his brothers, but the two sons of Joseph received the birthright (1 Chronicles 5:1-2).
• Clarification: shoplifting less than $950 in California was made a misdemeanor via Proposition 47 in 2014. It was not made nonprosecutable; though, one could argue that it had the same effect since misdemeanors are often not prosecuted. Other states have enacted similar laws.
• The Rittenhouse corrections (since we pulled it all from memory) [https://www.soldcloak.net/extra-notes/ep4].
• The George Floyd autopsy was not released in 2023, it was released in 2020. It does indicate that Floyd’s Cardiopulmonary arrest was (at least in part) due to neck compression [https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf].
• King John was not holed up in a barn, held at sword point while signing the Magna Carta. He was, however, compelled to apply his seal by his very unhappy barons.

Notes and Links:

• The Declaration of Independence [https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript].
• 2 Samuel 12:7-12 Nathan the prophet tells King David that the sword will not depart from his house.
• Kenosha Riot Shooting; All Angles Synced Together with Timeline [https://rumble.com/vuwu96-kenosha-riot-shooting-all-angles-synced-together-with-timeline.html]. Also, a narrated video explanation of the indecent released before all the details were known [https://youtu.be/E4dhPM99i4I], and footage from the FBI [https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1455579165739167752].
• News media claiming Rittenhouse shot black men [https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/19/the-independent-falsely-stated-rittenhouse-shot-3-black-men-kyle-rittenhouse/]. Also a UCLA professor had the same error in one of her books [https://twitter.com/Nefertari_25/status/1478520924483719168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw].
• 1 Corinthians 6:1-8 – Paul rebukes the Corinthian church for going to law before handling things as Christian brothers.
• Ethan never gets to his third biblical example that was going to contrast the first two. That would be Ehud killing King Eglon.