Jon and Jose agree 5 is the best age for kids

Jon Bernthal talks about violence as an expression of love with Jose Gonzales. Listen to the full episode on Patreon -- https://www.patreon.com/realones

Today, Jose Gonzalez is a successful producer, artist, and storyteller. But 8 years ago, he was finishing the last of 19 years at Calipatria State Prison and preparing for life on the outside. Jose joined us to tell his incredible story - from his childhood, through his imprisonment, to his journey today to become the best father and man he can be - which includes passionate advocacy for criminal justice reform.

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