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AVAX's Emin Gun Sirer: "Blockchains Should be Scalable at Their Core; Layer 2s Mean Giving Up"
This week, on The Defiant Podcast, we speak to the founder and CEO of Ava Labs Emin Gün Sirer. When Emin first came on The Defiant in May 2020, Avalanche, Ava Labs' smart contract platform, was not even on mainnet yet. Since then, it has risen to become one of the leading smart contract networks, while the AVAX token has risen over 7x in the last 12 months. So just what has happened over the past year? And where did all this start for Emin?
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