You're The Voice Podcast

My guest today is Giacomo Zucco, Director of Plan B Network and a well-known Bitcoin maximalist. He's also an advisor/investor for OCEAN, Relai, Ark Labs, Twentytwo, Geyser, Lightning Ventures, Breez and more. He spends his time supporting projects that he feels might be relevant for the future of Bitcoin, be it as an educator, consultant, entrepreneur, maximalist, or troll. In this episode, we dive deep into Bitcoin’s ideological and technological battles, from the early days of monetary activism to today’s regulatory and institutional challenges. Giacomo unpacks the role of stablecoins and specifically USDT, explaining why it has become both a “useful scam” and a financial bridge for millions. We also touch on CBDCs, the future of financial decentralization, transhumanism and why Bitcoiners should remain cautious as institutions get involved. Please note Giacomo’s views do not represent Tether’s official views in any way ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► 10% off on all books & accessories at the “Bitcoin Infinity Store” - use code EFRAT: https://bitcoininfinitystore.com/ ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Giacomo’s Twitter: https://x.com/giacomozucco Giacomo’s Nostr npub: npub1au23c73cpaq2whtazjf6cdrmvam6nkd4lg928nwmgl78374kn29sq9t53j Plan B Network Twitter: https://x.com/planb_network Plan B Website: https://planb.network/ Mir’s Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMfe4C6auWo Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 00:57 Introduction 01:25 Giacomo’s Story and Background 09:35 The Story Behind “Plan B Network” 16:34 Tether - A Happy Accident or a Useful Scam? 26:51 Tether’s Audits & Conspiracy Theories of Pumping Bitcoin Price 30:58 Tether’s Bet On Gold with XAUt 32:26 Tether’s Tech & Investments Diversification 32:58 Transhumanism & its Risks 37:04 The New Monetary Order: CBDCs,Stablecoins & Bitcoin 43:22 The Evolution of Bitcoin's Ideological Landscape 47:38 Giacomo’s Message of Hope

My guest today is Hermann Vivier, co-founder of The Surfer Kids nonprofit and Bitcoin Ekasi project. Hermann's journey began in 2010 with the dual goals of creating a tourism business and empowering marginalized youth through surfing. Over time, Bitcoin became a critical tool for his initiatives, particularly when geopolitical challenges forced his business to adopt Bitcoin as a medium of exchange. In this episode, Hermann shares how The Surfer Kids nonprofit uses surfing as a vehicle to teach life skills and foster resilience among South African youth, while Bitcoin Ekasi builds a circular economy, paying salaries in Bitcoin and empowering underserved communities to adopt financial sovereignty. From leveraging Bitcoin to navigate failing state systems to inspiring others through grassroots education, Hermann’s work highlights the transformative potential of Bitcoin as both a medium of exchange and a tool for societal change. Tune in to learn about the unique challenges of operating in underbanked regions, the importance of using Bitcoin as money, and the power of building circular economies. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► 10% off on all books & accessories at the “Bitcoin Infinity Store” - use code EFRAT: https://bitcoininfinitystore.com/ ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Hermann’s Twitter: https://x.com/vryfokkenou Bitcoin Ekasi’s Twitter: https://x.com/BitcoinEkasi Support Bitcoin Ekasi: https://support.bitcoinekasi.com/ “Lekker Feeling” - Documentary about Bitcoin Ekasi & Surfer Kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8vlzaDSNY0 Bitcoin Ekasi’s Nostr npub: npub1zkr064avsxmxzaasppamps86ge0npwvft9yu3ymgxmk9umx3xyeq9sk6ec Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 01:06 Introduction 03:59 The Bitcoin Ekasi Project 07:08 “Surfer Kids” Nonprofit and Community Impact 08:31 Bitcoin Adoption and Bank Failures 14:41 Store of Value vs. Medium of Exchange 22:09 The Work of Bitcoin Ekasi & Surfer Kids 33:06 Inspiration from The Bitcoin Beach Model 38:14 Fundraising with Bitcoin 40:01 More Circular Economies In Africa 55:04 Bitcoin vs. CBDCs 1:01:48 Challenges of Onboarding People to Bitcoin 1:06:55 “Covid Red Pilled” Not Getting Orange Pilled 1:09:08 Bitcoin Regulation in South Africa 1:15:24 Hermann’s Tattoo 1:17:45 Hermann’s Message of Hope

My guest today is Chris Sullivan, a portfolio manager, charter market technician, and co-founder of Hyperion Decimus, one of the first liquid quantitative asset managers in digital assets. With a background in finance and a deep understanding of investor psychology, Chris is walking the path of awakening and higher consciousness, and sees Bitcoin as a tool for financial and personal freedom. We dive into spirituality, 5th generation warfare, the hidden truths of central banking, the psychological war on investors, and why reclaiming control over money is key to sovereignty. Chris shares his journey from traditional finance to Bitcoin, his thoughts on CBDCs, and how self-mastery and higher consciousness play a role in breaking free from the system. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► 10% off on all books & accessories at the “Bitcoin Infinity Store” - use code EFRAT: https://bitcoininfinitystore.com/ ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Chris’ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-s-78753b44/ Chris’ Twitter: https://x.com/HyperionDecimus Chris’ Website: https://www.hyperiondecimus.com Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 01:15 Introduction To Chris 09:01 Surfing and Yoga: Chris’ Spiritual Path 17:34 Transhumanism vs. Epigenetics & Living in Harmony with Nature 21:37 Efrat’s Awakening During Covid: A Journey to Enlightenment 32:47 Blocking EMFs: Science and Health 38:56 Freedom vs. Tyranny: The Real Battle 42:43 Propaganda of Hate and Division vs. a Journey of Self-Discovery 49:32 Divide and Conquer: How Religion Becomes a Weapon 54:17 Human Connections & Raising Your Frequency 59:06 Bitcoin as a Higher Consciousness 1:03:27 Chris’ Preparedness to a Fiat-less World 1:11:27 The Transition of World Powers & Reserve Currencies 1:15:00 The 5th Generation Warfare 1:23:41 Is Bitcoin Hijacked? 1:32:46 Being an Asset Manager in the Bitcoin Space 1:36:38 Getting Debanked and Eliminating Central Banking 1:45:27 How to Protect Your Wealth in Uncertain Times 1:48:00 CBDCs: A Dystopian Monetary Order 1:54:32 Individual Agency in Times of Crisis 2:05:36 Chris’ Book & Podcast Recommendations 2:12:14 A Message of Hope

My guest today is Reyna Chicas, the Director of Education at My First Bitcoin (Mi Primer Bitcoin), an organization pioneering grassroots Bitcoin education in El Salvador. Reyna's journey is one of resilience—growing up in a country shaped by economic instability, corruption, and violence, she forged a path from call center employee to becoming a global advocate for financial sovereignty through Bitcoin education. We dive into the realities of El Salvador’s economic transformation, the challenges of unbanked communities, and how Bitcoin is creating new opportunities for financial inclusion. Reyna shares her personal experience witnessing the shift in her country, from fear and skepticism to a growing movement of people understanding and using Bitcoin as both a medium of exchange and a store of value. Tune in for an inspiring conversation on how Reyna is helping people understand money and how education and financial empowerment can transform entire communities. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► 10% off on all books & accessories at the “Bitcoin Infinity Store” - use code EFRAT: https://bitcoininfinitystore.com/ ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Reyna’s Twitter: https://x.com/ReynaChicas2 Reyna’s Nostr: npub1pxx4j8zlvvcp7wctlwhtf4nm4trwf3jav5ucvdp4h4cyv4ayvlas3wkvme Mi Primer Bitcoin’s Twitter: https://x.com/MyFirstBitcoin_ Mi Primer Bitcoin Website: https://myfirstbitcoin.io/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 01:16 Welcome to Bitcoin Beach 01:57 Reyna’s Background, Journey and Insights 08:37 El Salvador Becoming Dangerous in 2015 14:35 The Effects of Dollarization in 2001, Politics & Corruption 21:30 Why Reyna Left El Salvador in Her Youth 31:57 Reyna’s Awakening & Discovery of Bitcoin 35:14 Bitcoin’s Early Days in El Salvador 38:43 Reyna’s Journey into Bitcoin Education 47:46 Reyna’s Vision for Bitcoin & Its Impacts 51:38 Bitcoin’s Future As a Medium of Exchange 57:10 Bitcoin as a Unit of Account 59:53 Bitcoin Perception by Salvadorans (Locals) 1:07:52 Empowering People & Communities with Bitcoin Education 1:19:57 Reyna’s Message of Hope & Closing Thoughts

My guest today is Eric Stacks, a former cannabis producer turned passionate Bitcoin advocate. From his early life shaped by familial challenges to his pivot into Bitcoin after witnessing the inefficiencies of the fiat system, Eric has developed a deep understanding of economic incentives, free markets, and the promise of Bitcoin. Eric shares how his journey began with mistrust of the pharmaceutical industry, leading him to cannabis production and eventually to Bitcoin as a solution to the systemic flaws he observed. His unique insights connect the dots between free-market deflation, economic Darwinism, and Bitcoin’s potential to incentivize ethical behavior while punishing dishonesty. He explains how Bitcoin redefines property rights, empowers individuals, and offers a path to a more sustainable global economy. We also discussed El Salvador’s Bitcoin adoption, governments under a Bitcoin standard, and what a new monetary system would look like. Eric’s vision of an after-Bitcoin world is filled with hope, optimism, and practical strategies for how to navigate the changes ahead. This episode was filmed in El Salvador in Nov. 2024. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► 10% off on all books & accessories at the “Bitcoin Infinity Store” - use code EFRAT: https://bitcoininfinitystore.com/ ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Eric’s Twitter: https://x.com/EricVStacks Eric’s npub: npub1h4397xuvfxne7p6l867j6ygl7cj4qn8j45fygt7hp5v3m5h5543qhms70f Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 01:11 Introduction to Eric & His Background 06:50 From Cannabis & Real Estate to Bitcoin 16:20 Business Consulting & Putting Bitcoin on the Balance Sheet 18:17 The Fiat Paradigm, Patents, and Misaligned Incentives 22:17 The Paradigm of “You’ll Own Nothing & Be Happy” 28:36 Coming Out of “Scumbaggery”: A Rotten System 36:56 Economic Darwinism: Bitcoin in Politics & Institutional Takeover 44:58 KYC Bitcoin, Privacy & Anonymity 48:52 El Salvador's Bitcoin Journey & Relocation Opportunity 57:29 Deflation Is The Natural State of a Free Market 1:06:12 The Silent Revolution of Bitcoin: Hope and Ethics 1:18:57 The Future of The Monetary System on a Bitcoin Standard 1:21:38 Final Thoughts

My guest today is Prince Philip of Serbia, an important voice for freedom and independence, tackling issues like brain drain, too many regulations, and economic troubles. He also serves as the Chief Strategy Officer (CSO) at JAN3, a company focused on accelerating hyperbitcoinization by working on nation-state Bitcoin adoption and also developing the Aqua wallet. As a father of two living in the historic Serbian royal palace, he’s passionate about building a better future for the next generation. In this chat, we talk about how to balance tradition and progress, EU’s legislation and sentiment of Europeans, Serbia’s potential for Bitcoin mining, and how sound money can help society grow. Prince Philip shares his work with policymakers, efforts to improve energy use through mining, and ways he’s teaching others about Bitcoin’s power to create change. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► 10% off on all books & accessories at the “Bitcoin Infinity Store” - use code EFRAT: https://bitcoininfinitystore.com/ ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Philip’s Twitter: https://x.com/PrincFilip1 Philip’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/princfilipodsrbije/ Philip’s Nostr npub: npub198q8ksyxpurd7lq6mf409nrtf32pka48yp2z6lhxghpqe9zjllfq5wtwcp Jan3’s Website: https://jan3.com/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 01:05 Philip’s Introduction and Family Life 04:48 Aqua Wallet: Innovations in Bitcoin Transactions 09:51 Philip’s Role in JAN3, Political Connections and Bitcoin Adoption 12:46 The Impact of US Politics on Global Bitcoin Sentiment 16:02 Challenges in the EU 21:14 Migration and The Separation of Money and State, Bitcoin Regulation in Serbia 27:29 Western decay, Declining Birth Rates, and Building Stable Societies 29:25 Cash vs. Bitcoin: A Cultural Perspective 34:39 Closing thoughts

My guest today is Stephan Livera, the host of the prominent Bitcoin podcast “The Stephan Livera Podcast”. Growing up in Australia, Stephan developed a deep interest in libertarianism and Austrian economics during his teenage years, which shaped his perspective on money and governance. In this episode, Stephan shares his journey from being a chartered accountant at Deloitte to becoming a leading voice in the Bitcoin space. We discuss his insights on Bitcoin's role in challenging fiat currency, the cultural decay caused by fiat money, and the growing adoption of Bitcoin by institutions and governments. Stephan also explores the future of Bitcoin custody, the balance between decentralization and scalability, and the implications of hyper-bitcoinization on governance, sovereignty, and society. Enjoy. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► Get 10% off on all books, inc. “The Inverse of Clown World”, using the code EFRAT https://bitcoininfinitystore.com ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Stephan’s Twitter: https://x.com/stephanlivera Stephan’s Nostr npub: npub1r8l06leee9kjlam0slmky7h8j9zme9ca32erypgqtyu6t2gnhshs3jx5dk Stephan’s podcast: https://stephanlivera.com/ Stephan’s Substack: https://stephanlivera.substack.com/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 01:15 Introduction & Stephan’s Background 05:44 Finding Austrian Economics as a Teenager 09:32 Immigration and Growing Up In Australia 12:37 Australia's Landscape: Energy, Woke Culture, Housing 21:00 The World’s Going Through a Moral & Cultural Decay 25:06 The Trend of Decentralizing Nation States 31:56 Living in Dubai 33:01 Migration Trends & Predictions 34:30 Stephan’s Podcast Journey 36:49 Bitcoin's Evolution: From Cypherpunks to Institutional Adoption 41:07 The Future of Bitcoin Holding: Custodial vs. Self-Custody 43:17 The Role of Banks in a Bitcoinized World 49:14 Market Cycles and the Psychology of New Investors 55:31 What People Don’t Understand About Bitcoin 1:01:09 Resources and Getting Started With Bitcoin 1:02:44 Message of Hope & Conclusion

My guest today is Mir, co-founder of Blockchain Lab, a talented individual on a unique journey combining music, Bitcoin advocacy, education, and community building. Mir shares her inspiring story of transformation—from a music career to becoming a key voice in Bitcoin education, leading projects like the Blockchain Lab in Milan and the Plan B Network. Her work is all about making Bitcoin easier to understand and helping people feel empowered through knowledge. In this episode, Mir talks about the philosophy behind Bitcoin, the value of learning across different fields, and the challenges of teaching and connecting with different types of people. We discuss why empathy, clear communication, and ethical marketing are important for building real connections in the Bitcoin world and beyond. Mir also highlights how education, community, and self-custody come together, showing how Bitcoin can help people better understand bitcoin and personal responsibility. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, subscribe and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► Get 10% off on all books, inc. “The Inverse of Clown World”, using the code EFRAT https://bitcoininfinitystore.com ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Mir’s Twitter: https://x.com/mir_btc Mir’s Nostr npub: npub1ydxytlu95vwpn0m3pzn507nma8x5472u043pupcgpj3dvcamglfql6rlcw Plan B Website: https://planb.network/en/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 00:53 Introduction 04:20 Mir’s Personal Journey, background and Musical Passions 08:00 Building Blockchain Lab the Bitcoin Community 10:47 Plan B Network & Free Bitcoin Education 12:47 Plan B Summer School In Lugano 22:38 The Polymathic Nature of Bitcoin & Education 27:28 The Future of Bitcoin: Predictions and Opportunities 33:31 The Importance of Self-Custody and Education 36:12 Balancing Honesty and Empathy in Bitcoin Advocacy 42:01 Lowering Resistance & Relating To Others In Bitcoin Education 45:20 Fruitful Conversations, Great Marketing and Providing Value 48:40 Why Bitcoiner’s Have Strong Opinions 51:21 Conclusion

My guest today is Roger Huang, an author, journalist on Forbes, Bitcoin Magazine and more, and a Bitcoin advocate, whose work bridges the intersection of Bitcoin, geopolitics, economics, and history. Roger is the author of “Would Mao Hold Bitcoin?”, an exploration of Bitcoin’s potential within China’s political and monetary landscape. From the impact of inflation on historical events like Tiananmen Square to the implications of digital surveillance and central bank digital currencies, Roger provides a comprehensive analysis of how Bitcoin can challenge state control and empower individuals. In this episode, we explore Roger’s journey from his roots in China to his upbringing in Canada, and how his disillusionment with the traditional financial system inspired him to advocate for Bitcoin as a tool for freedom and decentralization. Roger shares powerful stories about the Chinese surveillance state, the role of inflation in shaping politics, and the growing global influence of China’s economic strategies, including the Belt and Road Initiative and CBDC development. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, subscribe and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► Get 10% off on all books, inc. “The Inverse of Clown World”, using the code EFRAT https://bitcoininfinitystore.com ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Roger’s Twitter: https://x.com/Rogerh1991 Roger’s New Book “Would Mao Hold Bitcoin?”: https://bit.ly/4jePMsf Roger’s Nostr npub: npub12qxvc5evxqt3rky25mfskywugalx5vnhppfl32cu903cnwpyu0uqkmq8u9 China Law Translate Website - Roger recommended source: https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 01:01 Introduction to Roger Huang and His Work 03:00 Roger's Background and Early Interest in Bitcoin & Writing 08:38 Mao's Economic Policies and Their Consequences 13:18 Inflation and Political Unrest in China’s History, and Tiananmen Square Protests 18:07 Human Rights Violations & Digital Surveillance in China 22:44 Social Credit Score System in China and the Rest Of the World 28:58 Censorship: The Dangers of “Everything Apps” like WeChat 35:44 What “Cashless Society” Looks Like in China 38:03 The Rise of CBDC’s in China 49:54 China's Belt & Road Initiative - Acquiring Geopolitical Power 53:51 Roger's Personal Passion for Bitcoin 57:55 Conclusion and Where to Follow Roger

My guest today is Titus Gebel, the founder of Free Cities Foundation, an innovative governance model challenging the traditional role of the state. Titus, a PhD in international law and a seasoned entrepreneur, co-founded Deutsche Rohstoff AG and led ventures like Dual Fluid Energy. He is also the author of “Free Private Cities: Making Governments Compete for You”, a book presenting a groundbreaking framework for autonomous, privately operated jurisdictions. Titus has inspired projects like Prospera, a pioneering special economic zone off the coast of Honduras that blends private governance with public benefits. He argues passionately for the necessity of written agreements and fixed rules in governance, contrasting them with the unpredictable changes of traditional states. In this episode, we explore the rise of free cities, the influence of global powers like the WEF, and the role equality should play in our society. Tune in to hear how free private cities can revolutionize our world—and why Titus believes this movement is unstoppable. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, subscribe and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn -- SPECIAL OFFERS – ►► Enjoy the Little HODLer products, learn about sound money while having fun! use code EFRAT for 10% off on non-sale items: https://thelittlehodler.com/ ►► Get 10% off on all books, inc. “The Inverse of Clown World”, using the code EFRAT https://bitcoininfinitystore.com ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS – Titus’s Twitter: https://x.com/titusgebel Free Cities Foundation Twitter: https://x.com/FreeCitiesFound Free Cities Website: https://free-cities.org/ Free Cities Foundation Nostr: npub1lsj8pmgedqqamt89c27tzjjnlf0wn7q7udjm7j2cl9xxz97eacns2mwpee Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigson Efrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigson Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice Support Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson ⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson -- CHAPTERS – 00:00 Coming Up… 01:20 Introduction to Titus 03:27 The Concept of Free Private Cities 15:02 Prospera,Honduras: A Case Study in Special Economic Zones (ZEDE) 26:04 Dubai’s Case Study & What’s The Future of Special Economic Zones 32:30 Power Structure Between People & States 40:07 Inside View on WEF & Klaus Schwab 52:05 Neom & “The Line”: A Dystopian Vision? 58:27 Equality vs. Equity: A False Construct 1:12:50 Follow Titus and Free Cities Foundation